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[Pierce - Daniel]

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SPOILERS: The Original 'Quantum of Solace' Cliffhanger Ending

'There was a scene after where the movie ends now...'

...Mr. White finale cut from QOS.
http://www.reelzchan...etails-revealed

[DamnCoffee]

OMG! WOW! Thank you so much for this! AND It looks like we'll see it on the DVD!

[EyesOnly]

Very interesting

[Harmsway]

Hmm. Very, very interesting. Can't wait to see it.

[Mr_Wint]

Jesper Christensen could've been perfect as a new Blofeld-like villain.

Sadly, EON doesn't want that type of (older) main villain these days so it will never happen.

[Harmsway]

Jesper Christensen could've been perfect as a new Blofeld-like villain.

Sadly, EON doesn't want that type of (older) main villain these days so it will never happen.

Well, never say never. Just 'cause it ended up as a deleted scene doesn't mean that EON won't keep going with the Quantum storyline and bring Mr. White back.

[stamper]

Eh Eh Eh told you guys ! And for those who don't get hot under the collar, here's a pic from the deleted ending.

I knew something was amiss ! Sony, or Eon went crazy and butchered the movie. Feel free at CBN to use my scan and make it news.

My impression is, this was the same scene as the beginning of CR, only Mr White shoots Bond. It would suddenly make sense of the whole movie.Because as I told you guys, QOS seems like a reverse deconstruction of CR. Editing is a delicate balance. If you take out one vital piece of the puzzle, the movie suddenly falls flat on it's face. Sadly, it's the case here. I can't wait for the real ending, because the current ending is a total let down. Shame on whomever deleted it from the final cut. Remember the guys on IMDB who said Bond died at the end ? Remember me saying Bond should die, FRWL novel style, in order for this movie to make 500 millions US ? That was it, and they DELETED it. I'm really pissed. I AM REALLY PISSED.

[DamnCoffee]

He's been shot in the knee and yet he's able to cross his legs!

[Harmsway]

I knew something was amiss ! Sony, or Eon went crazy and butchered the movie.

I'm pretty sure Forster was the one who edited QUANTUM OF SOLACE the way it was, not EON or Sony. As Forster has repeatedly said, he was able to make the film he wanted to make.

[DamnCoffee]

Hmmm. I wonder that the cliffhanger involved Bond getting shot and left for dead. It would be a great homage to From Russia, With Love.

[Harmsway]

Hmmm. I wont that the cliffhanger invlolved Bond getting shot and left for dead. It would be a great homage to From Russia, With Love.

Ooh. If it actually happened that way, it's a shame they didn't keep it - it would have been the most daring close for a Bond film since, well, ever.

[stamper]

It would have made this movie jump into CR tops category, plain and simple. When you see it, you'll get it why this ending was a vital part of the movie. If Foster cut it out, he made a bad decision. The presence of this scene would have changed our perception of everything that happened before. Damn... That's a wasted opportunity.
I hope now people regards the two IMDB reviews with more respect, because those guys obviously saw early, superior COMPLETE cuts.

[bondrules]

I want my 130mn QoS version put together on DVD

[Harmsway]

It would have made this movie jump into CR tops category, plain and simple. When you see it, you'll get it why this ending was a vital part of the movie.

Care to explain, Stamper?

I fail to see how a cliffhanger (even if it was awesome) would suddenly elevate the appeal of an entire film, especially if it's something of a tag-on.

[Mr_Wint]

It would have made this movie jump into CR tops category, plain and simple. When you see it, you'll get it why this ending was a vital part of the movie.

I nice ending can not change the overall quality of the film that much. This is only the case with the sad people on IMDb, were a crap film can get a +8.0 rating if the ending is... "surprising".

[bondrules]

So basically Forster's original vision was compromised...why shoot all of those scenes and then cut so much of the movie, after all, Forster said he had hours and hours of footage that ended into a 90 minute flick that costs 230 mill...Am I getting this right?

[BlackFire]

I don't get a damn about this

[Harmsway]

So basically Forster's original vision was compromised...

Nonsense. He cut the movie he wanted it to. If there's any footage left out of the film, it's because Forster didn't want it there.

[HildebrandRarity]

This is turning out to be a show, folks.

Most of us haven't even seen QOS and we're talking about alternative endings?

A total show!

I thought they always story boarded in order to keep the costs in check on things like sets, labor/labour, etc.

Did they not story board this time? Did they just decide to blow as much money as the considerable budget allowed knowing they'd beat CR box office?

[Harmsway]

This is turning out to be a show, folks.

Most of us haven't even seen QOS and we're talking about alternative endings?

A total show!

Now there's an over-reaction if I've ever seen one.

[stamper]

I'll explain, as I have seen the movie. As it unfolded, it seemed to me that they were deconstructing CR, making reverse scenes of everything that was great in CR, ie in CR, Bond get sentimental, here, he is just a Steven Seagal like killing machine, etc... (I won't say more not to spoil). When the movie ends, as currently, it just ends, and stands in the statement that from now on, the bond you will get is not the one from CR, but the cold, merciless, unfeeling killing machine we just saw mow down about 300 people in 90mn, shag Field and have no remorse when... well you know Fields fate.
What is amiss ? This ending, because with it, Bond get his come uppence, and it give credit to all that happened before, give it context, give it meaning. The deletion of the "kill Bond" ending turn the movie on it's face, and in my opinion, is a spat on everything that CR set up. As the movie stands it supports everything Bond does in this movie. With the ending, and due retribution to Bond attitude, the precedent 90mn would suddenly get their meaning, and we would know that somehow, Bond would be back and more human, and have gotten the lesson. Instead, what can I say, we lose the character we liked so much in CR, we know he goes off tangent, but as it stand, we assume it's the new Bond the filmmaker wants, and that they don't care about the Bond as etablished in CR. To me, this ending completely change the movie, it's like waking up and realising it was all a dream.

[bondrules]

Has any Bond movie (in 40+ years), right after press screenings and just before the general public has a chance to take a look at it, become so controversial?

[sorking]

So basically Forster's original vision was compromised...why shoot all of those scenes and then cut so much of the movie, after all, Forster said he had hours and hours of footage that ended into a 90 minute flick that costs 230 mill...Am I getting this right?

Not even remotely. Every movie shoots hours and hours of footage. That's what comes of shooting scenes from multiple angles and with multiple takes. And the film's not 90 minutes long, it's 104.

Given that the guy was aiming for a leaner movie from the start of his shoot, as per his other movies, let's not overreact. Nobody got their vision compromised. The writers, director and producers shot an ending to see if it would work, and they - and/or the test audience - felt it didn't. It's part of the creative process and nobody got screwed over.

If it simply rehashed the ending of QoS, it may be the right call or may not - and we can be sure right now that we won't all agree one way or the other any more than we all agree on much of anything.

Certainly I, for one, was hoping for a 'final act' to conclude the two-act story of Casino Royale. Regardless, I'm glad film three allows some breathing room story-wise. I'd like Bond to live as the man he is at the end of QoS before we pick him up again. To pick up on a cliff-hanger each time is to insist that we must see every inch of the character's life. Which is artificial and stifling.

Y'know those missions where he picks up with an old friend? One he's met on a mission but who we, the audience, have never seen before? You can't do that if there are no 'gaps' between films. It's awfully restricting.

[HildebrandRarity]

This is turning out to be a show, folks.

Most of us haven't even seen QOS and we're talking about alternative endings?

A total show!

Now there's an over-reaction if I've ever seen one.

Not everyone of us is interested in knowing endings (including alternative endings) like you, Harms.

How is this an over-reaction? We have not even seen the movie and now news of alternative endings. That's y from my perspective.

[stamper]

Feel free at CBN to use my scan for a newbreak. It's all yours. I really wanted this ending, it's so pure Fleming, snif...

[Sir James Moloney]

Feel free at CBN to use my scan for a newbreak. It's all yours. I really wanted this ending, it's so pure Fleming, snif...

We don´t even know if Bond was shot by White. Could be just White pointing the gun and says something and fades to black. Ok, shooting Bond would have been really cool, but that´s just us making the mental picture of it, not them. And yes, the ending as it it probably gives more room for Bond23. Besides wouldn´t an end like that become cliché? I don´t know, personally I would like it to be there, but then again I haven´t seen the ending as it is.

[Harmsway]

Not everyone of us is interested in knowing endings (including alternative endings) like you, Harms.

Why come into the thread or read the article, then?

How is this an over-reaction? We have not even seen the movie and now news of alternative endings. That's y from my perspective.

Eh, it's nothing particularly unusual.

[ForMathis]

Eh Eh Eh told you guys ! And for those who don't get hot under the collar, here's a pic from the deleted ending.

I knew something was amiss ! Sony, or Eon went crazy and butchered the movie. Feel free at CBN to use my scan and make it news.

My impression is, this was the same scene as the beginning of CR, only Mr White shoots Bond. It would suddenly make sense of the whole movie.Because as I told you guys, QOS seems like a reverse deconstruction of CR. Editing is a delicate balance. If you take out one vital piece of the puzzle, the movie suddenly falls flat on it's face. Sadly, it's the case here. I can't wait for the real ending, because the current ending is a total let down. Shame on whomever deleted it from the final cut. Remember the guys on IMDB who said Bond died at the end ? Remember me saying Bond should die, FRWL novel style, in order for this movie to make 500 millions US ? That was it, and they DELETED it. I'm really pissed. I AM REALLY PISSED.

*prays to the gods of EON for a extended cut of Quantum of Solace to see the film as it was, quite possibly, intended.

I know they've never had one for a Bond movie before but, if Stamper is being truthful, and based on this very interesting news he is, I would like to watch this film in its full glory at some point.



I really wish they hadn't of cut this out, Mr.White just disappearing in the film is probably why some reviewers have called plot holes. That pic just wets my appetite for an amazing ending that would have had me begging for 23.

Edited by ForMathis, 21 October 2008 - 06:05 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

It would be interesting to think that... if this scene was reinstated and included in the final cut, would we have had the gunbarrel at the end of the movie?

[Fozzco]

So basically Forster's original vision was compromised...why shoot all of those scenes and then cut so much of the movie, after all, Forster said he had hours and hours of footage that ended into a 90 minute flick that costs 230 mill...Am I getting this right?

Not even remotely. Every movie shoots hours and hours of footage. That's what comes of shooting scenes from multiple angles and with multiple takes. And the film's not 90 minutes long, it's 104.

Given that the guy was aiming for a leaner movie from the start of his shoot, as per his other movies, let's not overreact. Nobody got their vision compromised. The writers, director and producers shot an ending to see if it would work, and they - and/or the test audience - felt it didn't. It's part of the creative process and nobody got screwed over.

If it simply rehashed the ending of QoS, it may be the right call or may not - and we can be sure right now that we won't all agree one way or the other any more than we all agree on much of anything.

Certainly I, for one, was hoping for a 'final act' to conclude the two-act story of Casino Royale. Regardless, I'm glad film three allows some breathing room story-wise. I'd like Bond to live as the man he is at the end of QoS before we pick him up again. To pick up on a cliff-hanger each time is to insist that we must see every inch of the character's life. Which is artificial and stifling.

Y'know those missions where he picks up with an old friend? One he's met on a mission but who we, the audience, have never seen before? You can't do that if there are no 'gaps' between films. It's awfully restricting.

Well said - you are so right!
It would have been interesting to have made it a trilogy - but as its not - let's just try and enjoy it for what it (is/might be?)- another episode in the life of our favourite spy.
Let's now hope that Bond 23 goes off at a complete tangent and at some time in the future (B24 or B25) - re-visit Quantum/Mr White.