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[HildebrandRarity]

I guess the consensus will be: too much action, too frenetic, too dark, not funny enough, yet... a very entertaining film.

I always thought that the "dark era" will go out of style at some point.

It'll be out of style very soon because we're in the middle of an economic show and not too many people will be able to put up with entertainment that's darker than their own economic prospects.

I suspect Bond 23 will be lighter.

I'm still going with 86% fresh on the meter.

[Invincible1958]

007 on RT

Fresh:

97% From Russia With Love
97% Dr. No
96% Goldfinger
94% Casino Royale
90% Thunderball
86% On Her Majesty's Secret Service
83% The Spy Who Loved Me
82% Quantum of Solace (at the moment)
81% GoldenEye
78% The Living Daylights
76% For Your Eyes Only
70% You Only Live Twice
68% The Man With The Golden Gun
67% Licence To Kill
65% Diamonds Are Forever
64% Moonraker
62% Live And Let Die

Rotten:

59% Die Another Day
54% The World Is Not Enough
54% Tomorrow Never Dies
48% A View To A Kill
43% Octopussy

[BoogieBond]

007 on RT

Fresh:

97% From Russia With Love
97% Dr. No
96% Goldfinger
94% Casino Royale
90% Thunderball
86% On Her Majesty's Secret Service
83% The Spy Who Loved Me
82% Quantum of Solace (at the moment)
81% GoldenEye
78% The Living Daylights
76% For Your Eyes Only
70% You Only Live Twice
68% The Man With The Golden Gun
67% Licence To Kill
65% Diamonds Are Forever
64% Moonraker
62% Live And Let Die

Rotten:

59% Die Another Day
54% The World Is Not Enough
54% Tomorrow Never Dies
48% A View To A Kill
43% Octopussy

Thanks for that
I would say I would agree with most of that. Good list
Hope Qos beats Goldeneye, I like GE, but I am hoping the US reviews pull QOS up
Connery's first 4 and CR are pretty unbeatable eh according the RT.

[DR76]

I don't pay attention to the rating system of ROTTON TOMATOES. I have my own view of what constitutes a good Bond film.

[BoogieBond]

I don't pay attention to the rating system of ROTTON TOMATOES. I have my own view of what constitutes a good Bond film.

Got a point. Moonraker is only just fresh. That's an abomination as far as I'm concerned.

[Fro]

You also have to keep in mind Casino Royale was a movie that most all the critics liked but very few of them loved.

We'll probably see more divergent views of QoS.

[AgentBentley]

If Casino Royale had 94 percent, than that's a good sign for QoS.
It'll be a bit lower because of the reviews and because it's a 'sequel,' with Daniel Craig no longer the positive surprise he was.
I would bet on the 75-to-85 range.

[Binyamin]

Honestly, the RT rating is irrelevant.

My enjoyment of a movie, especially a Bond movie, has nothing to do with what a bunch of film critic weenies think.

And, it really has nothing to do with box office performance either. People who want to see the new Bond movie will see it. Those who don't, won't.

[eddychaput]

Wow. That's sad to sea Octopussy so low on the scale. I like that movie quite a bit. It's underrated in the franchise. I guess too many people only remember Moore in the clown outfit.

[001carus]

Honestly, the RT rating is irrelevant.

My enjoyment of a movie, especially a Bond movie, has nothing to do with what a bunch of film critic weenies think.

And, it really has nothing to do with box office performance either. People who want to see the new Bond movie will see it. Those who don't, won't.

I agree with that but a thread like this is simply here to see how QoS will fare on RT, whether it matters to us or not.

But I agree, other reviews shouldn't determine (but might indicate) how good a movie is.

[Publius]

I guess the consensus will be: too much action, too frenetic, too dark, not funny enough, yet... a very entertaining film.

And yet the depressing TDK received orgasmic reviews. I think, for some bizarre reason, people have been successfully convinced that Batman can be dark (that is, can be the polar opposite of the wildly popular 60s show), but they're still not sold on Bond going that way (despite having much deeper roots in that style). Maybe crime fighters wearing costumes makes it easier for people to accept darkness, whereas real people fighting real world threats makes darkness too real for them?

I always thought that the "dark era" will go out of style at some point. However I wouldn´t have believed it to happen so soon. I guess Bond 23 will totally lighten up if the box office for QOS goes down. Will Craig still be Bond then?

TSWLM was tailor-made for Moore despite TMWTGG flopping hard at the box office (a whopping 45% less than LALD). Craig will return for Bond 23 unless he chooses to step down, and it'll be no lighter than CR.

It'll be out of style very soon because we're in the middle of an economic show and not too many people will be able to put up with entertainment that's darker than their own economic prospects.

I suspect Bond 23 will be lighter.

By all accounts, the economy will be in full recovery mode by 2010, which is the earliest when Bond 23 will be released.

[Mister E]

By all accounts, the economy will be in full recovery mode by 2010, which is the earliest when Bond 23 will be released.

I wouldn't say that about the economy but I really doubt the economy is going to effect Bond 23 that much.

[HildebrandRarity]

Hey guys were now up to 83.3333333333 percent fresh!

[HildebrandRarity]

What's really interesting is that RT has 10 of 12 fresh...but of the 2 "rotten" ones, this:

http://www.independe...our-965510.html

from the Independent has 3 of 5 stars and if you read it, it's actually quite a positive review by any standard.

Why does RT not have it as fresh?

If you read each review, I think we have an 11 out of 12 so far which would get QOS up to:

91.667 percent fresh!

I have a feeling Q0S is going to be The Greatest James Bond Film Evah™ !

PS

Has anyone picked up the new Playboy with an in depth interview with DC?

You should see some of the previous Bond Girls. Such lovely pairs of tits on so many of them.

[JimmyBond]

You should see some of the previous Bond Girls. Such lovely pairs of tits on so many of them.

You can't say that here!

[Publius]

90% Thunderball
82% Quantum of Solace (as of now)
81% On Her Majesty's Secret Service
=81% The Spy Who Loved Me
79% Goldeneye

Interestingly, here are their average ratings:

6.9 Thunderball
6.8 Quantum of Solace (as of now)
6.7 On Her Majesty's Secret Service
6.8 The Spy Who Loved Me
6.8 Goldeneye

So whether by freshness score or average rating, QoS is currently sixth place out of all the Bond films, behind only Connery's first four and CR. Yes, even above classics such as OHMSS, TSWLM, and Goldeneye.

Granted, that's only with twelve reviews, but I doubt there will be much of a swing either way from here on out. It'll probably bounce around between the upper-70s and lower-90s.

[bondrules]

At what % point does it start to rot?

[Publius]

At what % point does it start to rot?

60% is the minimum to count as fresh.

[bondrules]

thanks

I think that we won't sink that low regardless....IMO

[Publius]

thanks

I think that we won't sink that low regardless....IMO

A quick glance at all the reviews (that is, including those that RT has yet to count), and I can't see more than a handful under 3/5 (i.e., 6/10). An average rating of 6.0 would probably put QoS around the 70-75% mark, where FYEO and the Daltons reside. However, that doesn't seem any more likely than the inverse, given that it's also getting a healthy number of 4/5 reviews that bring its average up.

I think its floor is finishing underneath Goldeneye, and its ceiling is finishing above Thunderball.

[Publius]

What's really interesting is that RT has 10 of 12 fresh...but of the 2 "rotten" ones, this:

http://www.independe...our-965510.html

from the Independent has 3 of 5 stars and if you read it, it's actually quite a positive review by any standard.

Also, the other negative review was from the same man who gave both The Dark Knight and Hot Fuzz a 2/5, the same score he gives QoS. TDK has a 94% and Hot Fuzz a 90%.

Anyway, QoS is now up to 85% with the latest review. It's worth remembering that CR "plunged" as low as the mid-80s before picking back up to finish at 94%.

[Mister E]

http://www.rottentom...ntum_of_solace/

QOS has a 79% average so far.

[Publius]

http://www.rottentom...ntum_of_solace/

QOS has a 79% average so far.

Despite a positive 3/5 review being counted as negative. And yes, I checked that reviewer's ratings for other movies, and their other 3/5 ratings were counted as positive. QoS should really be at 85% right now.

[HildebrandRarity]

http://www.rottentom...ntum_of_solace/

QOS has a 79% average so far.

Despite a positive 3/5 review being counted as negative. And yes, I checked that reviewer's ratings for other movies, and their other 3/5 ratings were counted as positive. QoS should really be at 85% right now.

Is there a mechanism at RT which would allow a visitor to their site to point out the discrepency...if one were inclined to do so?

[Publius]

Is there a mechanism at RT which would allow a visitor to their site to point out the discrepency...if one were inclined to do so?

Don't know, but I'm sure there's a way to contact the webmaster. I probably won't bother to do so until that one review means the difference between a 79% and an 80%, though.

[Mister E]

Well, it's down to 76% :

http://www.rottentom...ntum_of_solace/

I was hoping for at least an 85.

[blueman]

Still seems the "bad" reviews harp on not having enough classic Bondisms in it. That's a positive in my mind, so adjust your personal tomato meter accordingly.

[Mr_Wint]

007 on RT

Fresh:

97% From Russia With Love
97% Dr. No
96% Goldfinger
94% Casino Royale
90% Thunderball
86% On Her Majesty's Secret Service
83% The Spy Who Loved Me
82% Quantum of Solace (at the moment)
81% GoldenEye
78% The Living Daylights
76% For Your Eyes Only
70% You Only Live Twice
68% The Man With The Golden Gun
67% Licence To Kill
65% Diamonds Are Forever
64% Moonraker
62% Live And Let Die

Rotten:

59% Die Another Day
54% The World Is Not Enough
54% Tomorrow Never Dies
48% A View To A Kill
43% Octopussy

Your version is not really up to date. Here is the list with the most recent percentages:

FRESH:
97% From Russia with Love
=97% Dr. No
96% Goldfinger
94% Casino Royale
90% Thunderball
82% Quantum of Solace (as of now)
81% On Her Majesty's Secret Service
=81% The Spy Who Loved Me
79% Goldeneye
73% For Your Eyes Only
72% The Living Daylights
71% Licence to Kill
69% You Only Live Twice
66% Diamonds Are Forever
62% Moonraker
=62% Live and Let Die
60% Die Another Day

ROTTEN:
56% Tomorrow Never Dies
52% The World Is Not Enough
50% The Man with the Golden Gun
45% Octopussy
39% A View to a Kill

This is not fair because most of the reviews (for the classic films) are written in modern time and really don't tell how well the critics recieved the film at that time. I remember that the CD, "Ultimate James Bond-Interactive Dossier", had a very good coverage on this.

[Dangerous Liaison]

QoS better than OHMSS? Nope. I haven't seen QoS, but I can't see that happening. I may have to swallow my words in due time, though. We'll see when Nov 4th rolls along.

[HildebrandRarity]

QoS better than OHMSS? Nope. I haven't seen QoS, but I can't see that happening. I may have to swallow my words in due time, though. We'll see when Nov 4th rolls along.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service didn't get rave reviews back in 1969...and it was the Black Sheep of the Eon Family for almost a decade and a half.

Not until the late 80s did the film begin to gain wider acclaim.