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[001carus]

http://au.rottentoma...ntum_of_solace/

The first review for Quantum of Solace has hit Rotten Tomatoes, gaining a "Fresh" review. We'll see how it pans out from here on in...

Sorry if this isn't relevant enough to start a new thread.

[JimmyBond]

I don't see why a thread that keeps track of the Rotten Tomatoes score is not relevant

In fact I suggest this thread be stickied to the top of the forum with a slight name change.

[001carus]

Hehe, thanks. I just thought it could maybe be merged with one of the review threads or something, but thanks for the support.

[Matt_13]

Was thinking about starting this sort of thread myself, should be interesting to see how it does against CR's numbers.

[CamExam]

Was thinking about starting this sort of thread myself, should be interesting to see how it does against CR's numbers.

It deffinetly wont make CR numbers

[JimmyBond]

Was thinking about starting this sort of thread myself, should be interesting to see how it does against CR's numbers.

It deffinetly wont make CR numbers

I bet you it will. Shorter run time will allow for more showings per day. On top of that it's riding on the success of Casino Royale. If this film doesnt make better numbers than Casino Royale I'll buy you a beer (if you're old enough).

[ForMathis]

Was thinking about starting this sort of thread myself, should be interesting to see how it does against CR's numbers.

It deffinetly wont make CR numbers

I bet you it will. Shorter run time will allow for more showings per day. On top of that it's riding on the success of Casino Royale. If this film doesnt make better numbers than Casino Royale I'll buy you a beer (if you're old enough).

I think he means CR's RT score, not BO... assuming you meant BO.

[Elvenstar]

I have a feeling about Qos getting 60-70% at RT. Not bad. Just average.

[Matt_13]

Was thinking about starting this sort of thread myself, should be interesting to see how it does against CR's numbers.

It deffinetly wont make CR numbers

I bet you it will. Shorter run time will allow for more showings per day. On top of that it's riding on the success of Casino Royale. If this film doesnt make better numbers than Casino Royale I'll buy you a beer (if you're old enough).

I think he means CR's RT score, not BO... assuming you meant BO.

Yeah I meant fresh rating, BO numbers aren't that important. I'm going to put it in the ball park of 80 %.

[Skudor]

Still only one, fresh, review.

[HildebrandRarity]

I think we get 80-85 percent score, perhaps even 86 or 87 percent fresh...but not as good as CR's fresh levels.

[Invincible1958]

I think we get 80-85 percent score, perhaps even 86 or 87 percent fresh...but not as good as CR's fresh levels.

I don't think so. Most of the 3/5 reviews they will rate as 'rotten' and not as 'fresh' I believe.
I think it will sum up to 65%.

[Publius]

Die Hard 4 has 81% and Indy 4 has 76%. I think that's the floor for QoS. The ceiling is definitely CR's 94%. I'm expecting something in the mid-80s.

I don't think so. Most of the 3/5 reviews they will rate as 'rotten' and not as 'fresh' I believe.
I think it will sum up to 65%.

I think 3/5 (or 6/10) is the minimum rating required to be counted as fresh. I guess it depends on whether the reviewer uses a 0-5 scale or a 1-5 scale.

[Invincible1958]

Die Hard 4 has 81% and Indy 4 has 76%. I think that's the floor for QoS. The ceiling is definitely CR's 94%. I'm expecting something in the mid-80s.

I don't think so. Most of the 3/5 reviews they will rate as 'rotten' and not as 'fresh' I believe.
I think it will sum up to 65%.

I think 3/5 (or 6/10) is the minimum rating required to be counted as fresh. I guess it depends on whether the reviewer uses a 0-5 scale or a 1-5 scale.

But even the 3/5 reviews doesn't sound that positive. It's more like "it's an okay film, but not really good." I wouldn't call that 'fresh'.

The Bond movie with the lowest RT rating is "Octopussy": 43%
FRWL has the highest rating with 97%.

So QOS will be somewhere in the middle.

[Harmsway]

But even the 3/5 reviews doesn't sound that positive. It's more like "it's an okay film, but not really good." I wouldn't call that 'fresh'.

They'll still be ranked as "fresh."

[Publius]

But even the 3/5 reviews doesn't sound that positive. It's more like "it's an okay film, but not really good." I wouldn't call that 'fresh'.

Even so, that's just how the RT methodology works. CR and The Dark Knight both have 94% (and that includes lukewarm reviews counted as "fresh"), yet TDK has a much higher average rating (8.5 to 7.8, and the difference is even bigger on other rating sites). I think QoS will have an average rating of about 7.

[supernova]

Reading QoS reviews as they have been appearing -- I think (so far) I've only spotted one 2/5 ranking, which would be regarded as a 'rotten' review on the 'rottentomatoes' website. 3/5 and better, get a thumbs up 'fresh ranking'. So, maybe Quantum of Solace will do very nicely indeed. I'm guessing in the plus 80's.

But my question is this - whatever happens on the 'rottentomatoes' site, its apparent that the critical reviews for QoS are not as good as those for Casino Royale. So if the movie is a box office success and does better than Casino Royale -- will the Bond producers be tempted to stick with the frentic fast packed, consecutive, set piece action scenes in the next Bond movie?

Edited by supernova, 21 October 2008 - 04:05 PM.

[Publius]

So if the movie is a box office success and does better than Casino Royale - will the Bond producers be forced to stick with the frentic fast packed, consecutive, set piece action scenes?

I guess it depends on who the next director is. Marc Forster was given a lot more say than is usually the case, and EON seems to have been pleased with the result.

[JimmyBond]

But my question is this - whatever happens on the 'rottentomatoes' site, its apparent that the critical reviews for QoS are not as good as those for Casino Royale. So if the movie is a box office success and does better than Casino Royale -- will the Bond producers be tempted to stick with the frentic fast packed, consecutive, set piece action scenes in the next Bond movie?

They didnt do that in the 90's with Brosnan. They could have very easily followed up TND with another film exactly like it. But (And as much as I loathe the film) TWINE attempted to correct some of the mistakes of it's predecessor.

[Invincible1958]

As the critics say: QOS is different than CR. And I believe, Bond 23 will be different again. It seems their aim is to produce one unique film after another, that doesn't feel like "Goldfinger 35" or "Casino Royale 2".

[BoogieBond]

Based on the reviews being in the 3/5 and 4/5 range. I reckon it will be about 82% on the Tomatometer and an average rating(as Publius said) of about 7/10.
I am really hoping it delivers when I see it in about a weeks time.

[Captain Tightpants]

So they're not bothing with the hasty tabloid reviews that feel as if the reviewer accidentally walked into the wrong cinema and took forty-five minutes to work it out?

[deth]

So they're not bothing with the hasty tabloid reviews that feel as if the reviewer accidentally walked into the wrong cinema and took forty-five minutes to work it out?

well they may show up yet...

it's still early times boys...

[Joe Bond]

Currently its getting an 82% ranking with 9 fresh reviews and 2 rotten but note that these are from UK critics and the majority of the reviews that go on rottentomatoes are from U.S. critics which probably won't come up until the first week of November.

[HildebrandRarity]

Currently its getting an 82% ranking with 9 fresh reviews and 2 rotten but note that these are from UK critics and the majority of the reviews that go on rottentomatoes are from U.S. critics which probably won't come up until the first week of November.

Yea. UK tabloids are in now but will get melted into the US ones where they'll mainly include the proper reviewers and where there are no tabloid reviewers.

I'm still betting on 86 percent fresh.

[SecretAgentFan]

I guess the consensus will be: too much action, too frenetic, too dark, not funny enough, yet... a very entertaining film.

I always thought that the "dark era" will go out of style at some point. However I wouldn´t have believed it to happen so soon. I guess Bond 23 will totally lighten up if the box office for QOS goes down. Will Craig still be Bond then?

[JackWade]

They've considered the Independent's 3/5 review to be rotten. Hmm...

[.0.0.7.]

They've posted a Tomatometer score for it, and right now it's 82%! This bodes well; I can't imagine it dropping below 70% at worst.

[Matt_13]

Avg rating is a 6.9 though. Oh well, only 11 so far, a lot to go.

[Invincible1958]

Avg rating is a 6.9 though. Oh well, only 11 so far, a lot to go.

But Forster's latest movies "Stranger Than Fiction" (2006) and "The Kite Runner" (2007) also only have 73% and 66% on RT, and I love both movies.
"Stranger Than Fiction" has an avg rating of 6.8 and "The Kite Runner" has an avg rating of 6.5 - and as I said: I love both movies and think that they belong to the best movies made in the last couple of years.

If QOS will be on par with them, then that's a good sign for me. Many people like his movies, many people don't like them. That's why the avg rating is so low. But the ones that like them, really like them. So I could imagine that I will love QOS, while millions of people will hate the movie.