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[col_007]

I think the entire gag about James Bond is that he behaves in a very British, upper class manner. He's thinks of himself very highly in that stereotypical English fashion. I think tat what makes the whole thing work. He's sort of a British snob,

Bond is not a snob far from it imo well Daniel Craig portrayal certainly isn't Roger Moore's portrayal probably leaned more towards that

[DR76]

I think the entire gag about James Bond is that he behaves in a very British, upper class manner. He's thinks of himself very highly in that stereotypical English fashion. I think tat what makes the whole thing work. He's sort of a British snob,

And he has to be white in order to behave in that manner?

[double o ego]

Bond may not think he's a snob and may detest snobs but he comes off as one himself. This is because of his taste for the finer things in life and the way he's acquired a high level of cultivation, which makes him appear to be of the echelons of the upper class. This was particularly displayed wonderfully and ironically by Connery especially and of course Moore who's cheesiness and charm just made him more likable than he deserved.

[Safari Suit]

Out of interest, how can someone be more or less likable than they "deserve"?

[Mister Asterix]

Out of interest, how can someone be more or less likable than they "deserve"?

Well, I like you more than you deserve.





(Yeah, that was a joke, but I now wonder whether it was an insult or a complement. )

[double o ego]

Maybe I should have used the word, tollerable. I like Moore, I think he's a fantastic and down to earth, humble guy but if people thought Brosnan was bad; Moore's Bond was the prime definition of the superman syndrom. Not only that, he was just terrible in terms of being a tough secret agent. However, Moore hasn't excused himself or anything like that, he's willingly admitted to the fact that his portrayal is somewhat of a joke. Now, whereas, Moore's take isn't my faourite, I can at least enjoy them for what the are because Moore's Bond had a lot of charisma in the charmingly cheesy department that will always remain a guilty pleasure for me.

[DR76]

This was particularly displayed wonderfully and ironically by Connery especially and of course Moore who's cheesiness and charm just made him more likable than he deserved.

Actually, I feel that Moore had pulled that off better than Connery.

Maybe I should have used the word, tollerable. I like Moore, I think he's a fantastic and down to earth, humble guy but if people thought Brosnan was bad; Moore's Bond was the prime definition of the superman syndrom. Not only that, he was just terrible in terms of being a tough secret agent. However, Moore hasn't excused himself or anything like that, he's willingly admitted to the fact that his portrayal is somewhat of a joke. Now, whereas, Moore's take isn't my faourite, I can at least enjoy them for what the are because Moore's Bond had a lot of charisma in the charmingly cheesy department that will always remain a guilty pleasure for me.

DISAGREE intensely. Moore's performances in movies like LIVE AND LET DIE, THE SPY WHO LOVED ME, and FOR YOUR EYES ONLY proved to me that he had the acting chops, style and presence to make a very serious Bond.

And Connery, Lazenby and Brosnan have indulged in cartoonish style acting in Bond films as much as Moore.

Edited by DR76, 24 May 2009 - 07:02 AM.

[Harry Fawkes]

What's to bloody feel?
I think Colin Salmon would be great for the role but for me the guy I'd really want to see up there as Ian Fleming's masterspy would be none other than David Oyelowo.

He would be great as James Bond!!!!

Harry Fawkes

[Jim]

What's to bloody feel?
I think Colin Salmon would be great for the role but for me the guy I'd really want to see up there as Ian Fleming's masterspy would be none other than David Oyelowo.

He would be great as James Bond!!!!

Harry Fawkes

Bit short?

[Harry Fawkes]

Wasn't that said about Craig? I'm sure he's the shortest of the lot.

Oh, and that is definitely what they said about Lewis Collins of the Professionals and that was a big, big mistake to exclude him in my most humble of opinions.


Harry

[Zorin Industries]

Wasn't that said about Craig? I'm sure he's the shortest of the lot.

Oh, and that is definitely what they said about Lewis Collins of the Professionals and that was a big, big mistake to exclude him in my most humble of opinions.


Harry

This is purely speculation, but Lewis Collins may have been deemed to be "short" because he was allegedly very hard to work with ..... (the two are obviously not connected!).

Colin Salmon would have been an awful James Bond... why ? Because he had already been in Bond as ROBINSON and he is not actually that good an actor (I used to really like him as ROBINSON but now find his acting very flat). He is also - and this is my own opinion - a bit of a needy one when it comes to 007 and there is nothing worse than someone keep harping on about wanting to be Bond.

And I don't know if this has been discussed on this thread, but I would be wary of any black actor who would take the role as - to me - it reeks of tokenism which a REALLY VERY GOOD actor needs to remember if he ever was the first Bond - which, in my book, cancels out Colin Salmon as all he would ever harp on about is the colour issue which is sort of missing the point and extremely restrictive. One British actor (who happened to be black) turned down DOCTOR WHO recently as the tokenism nature of the casting would have created a starting block he didn't want to entertain. And that actor was leagues ahead of Salmon in ability, likeability and screen presence.

[Harry Fawkes]

Maybe, but I still say he would have made a great Bond. Just watch him in Who Dares Wins!

As for David Oyelowo if he's good to play Henry VI on stage then, in my book, he's damn well good enough for Bond!

Nuf Said

[Zorin Industries]

Maybe, but I still say he would have made a great Bond. Just watch him in Who Dares Wins!

As for David Oyelowo if he's good to play Henry VI on stage then, in my book, he's damn well good enough for Bond!

Nuf Said

Did you see Oyelowo in HENRY IV on stage? I did. I wouldn't cast him in a panto let alone Bond.

[Harry Fawkes]

What makes you think I haven't seen him on stage?

I have and I thought he was great!

As for not even casting him in a panto, well, of course, that is your opinion and I will accept that.

As for mine I really believe he'd be a great Bond.

Yep... HE'S CERTAINLY GOT MY VOTE!


Harry

[Harry Fawkes]

We recently had a very similar discussion on the board (and many others before, I guess), so in a word here's my opinion for those who'd have missed it: I just want a good looking guy with charisma.

I'm all yours dear


Harry

[Harry Fawkes]

Oh, yeah, Zorin.

May I also remind you and all those wonderful people out there that RSC's production of Henry VI Parts I, II and III earned David Oyelowo the Ian Charleson Award in 2001 for outstanding performance by a young actor in a classical theatre role. I think that stands for something, don't you?

Harry

[Sniperscope]

I would have no objection to anyone of any ethnicity playing Bond! As long as they are suave, sophisticated, hard as nails and "English" in deportment. For me there is nothing about the Bond character that signifies "white."

Certainly, the series appeals to an immature aspect of us all but I think some people get hung up on a very personal identification with the character - as though in some way Bond is a representation of their ethnicity and an extension of themselves...

David Oyelowo certainly looks the part... but I've never seen in him anything to know what he's like as an actor...

[Harry Fawkes]

I would have no objection to anyone of any ethnicity playing Bond! As long as they are suave, sophisticated, hard as nails and "English" in deportment. For me there is nothing about the Bond character that signifies "white."

Certainly, the series appeals to an immature aspect of us all but I think some people get hung up on a very personal identification with the character - as though in some way Bond is a representation of their ethnicity and an extension of themselves...

David Oyelowo certainly looks the part... but I've never seen in him anything to know what he's like as an actor...

SPOOKS - Watch the last episode of season 3 and you'll no doubt see him in one of his finest!

[MkB]

As for David Oyelowo if he's good to play Henry VI on stage then, in my book, he's damn well good enough for Bond!

Nuf Said

Did you see Oyelowo in HENRY IV on stage? I did. I wouldn't cast him in a panto let alone Bond.

I believe it explains the difference of views: Harry, you saw Oyelowo in Henry VI by Shakespeare, and Zorin saw Henry IV, by... err... dunno!

We recently had a very similar discussion on the board (and many others before, I guess), so in a word here's my opinion for those who'd have missed it: I just want a good looking guy with charisma.

I'm all yours dear


Harry

You like to live dangerously, don't you?

[DR76]

Oh, yeah, Zorin.

May I also remind you and all those wonderful people out there that RSC's production of Henry VI Parts I, II and III earned David Oyelowo the Ian Charleson Award in 2001 for outstanding performance by a young actor in a classical theatre role. I think that stands for something, don't you?

Harry

Is this the guy who used to be on "MI-5"? He's pretty cool.

[Harry Fawkes]

Oh, yeah, Zorin.

May I also remind you and all those wonderful people out there that RSC's production of Henry VI Parts I, II and III earned David Oyelowo the Ian Charleson Award in 2001 for outstanding performance by a young actor in a classical theatre role. I think that stands for something, don't you?

Harry

Is this the guy who used to be on "MI-5"? He's pretty cool.

Yep, that's him alright and believe me he'd make a damn good Bond I'm sure.