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[Harmsway]

It isn't any worse than Halle Berry coming out of the sea with her strap-on knife.

I think it's more overt than that homage, myself. Certainly more instantly recognizable. There are folks who saw DR. NO who probably wouldn't have caught the Berry/Honey homage. But pretty much anyone who's seen GOLDFINGER will see the similarities here.

But even if such overt homage was appropriate for DIE ANOTHER DAY, QUANTUM OF SOLACE is a different kind of Bond film with more integrity.

[Loomis]

It isn't any worse than Halle Berry coming out of the sea with her strap-on knife.

I think it's more overt than that homage, myself. Certainly more instantly recognizable. There are folks who saw DR. NO who probably wouldn't have caught the Berry/Honey homage. But pretty much anyone who's seen GOLDFINGER will see the similarities here.

It's funny how there's a homage to that DR. NO scene in two consecutive Bond films (DIE ANOTHER DAY and CASINO ROYALE)!

QUANTUM OF SOLACE is a different kind of Bond film with more integrity.

Well, that remains to be seen. I'm seeing a lot of people getting their hopes up very high about QUANTUM.

[bondrules]

It isn't any worse than Halle Berry coming out of the sea with her strap-on knife.

I think it's more overt than that homage, myself. Certainly more instantly recognizable. There are folks who saw DR. NO who probably wouldn't have caught the Berry/Honey homage. But pretty much anyone who's seen GOLDFINGER will see the similarities here.

But even if such overt homage was appropriate for DIE ANOTHER DAY, QUANTUM OF SOLACE is a different kind of Bond film with more integrity.

I think this is just one of the many homages in QoS...also the beetle, camille picking up james, (FYEO).....I wonder how many more they have in store for us....but the Oil dip so very obvious, that I can understand not many people liking it, myself as of right now, am 50/50, leaning to not liking it much....

[tdalton]

I don't see the need to continuously have the franchise have homages to itself in the newer films. Instead of repeating themselves, why doesn't EON come up with some new potentially-iconic momemts that would be thought of as being just as significant in the franchise as this moment was in Goldfinger.

[Safari Suit]

Could tar fetishists provide a significant sales boost?

[Harmsway]

It's funny how there's a homage to that DR. NO scene in two consecutive Bond films (DIE ANOTHER DAY and CASINO ROYALE)!

It is, isn't it?

[PrinceKamalKhan]

It isn't any worse than Halle Berry coming out of the sea with her strap-on knife.

I think it's more overt than that homage, myself. Certainly more instantly recognizable. There are folks who saw DR. NO who probably wouldn't have caught the Berry/Honey homage. But pretty much anyone who's seen GOLDFINGER will see the similarities here.

But even if such overt homage was appropriate for DIE ANOTHER DAY, QUANTUM OF SOLACE is a different kind of Bond film with more integrity.

I wonder about that, Harmsway. An homage like this that would be appropriate and at home in Die Another Day which makes me wonder if Quantum of Solace is really the film with intergrity a lot of folks think it is. I have a feeling Brosnan-era style Bond film making has returned(at least to a greater degree than we saw in Casino Royale).

That stated, maybe Quantum of Solace will make Die Another Day look better which is fine with me since Brosnan's last is actually my favorite of his, despite its massive flaws(CGI, 90% of Jinx's lines). I think Casino Royale will end up in the long run be regarded as Craig's best.

[.0.0.7.]

I think it's pretty clever visual homage, and I appreciate its subtlety; it's really just the pose.

I don't think that homages are overused, I think the word "homage" is overused, e.g. a plot involving a woman that is trying to get revenge is not an homage to FYEO. It's just a similarity.

It is surprising that such a plot element would be so freely given away. I certainly don't blame the newspaper (or our CBn poster) for running that; if anything, newspapers take pride in revealing information and "spoiling." Mikey and Babs authorized that photo shoot. When something is released to the public, like info in press shoots and trailers, I barely consider it a spoiler that needs protecting anymore.

[Harmsway]

I have a feeling Brosnan-era style Bond film making has returned(at least to a greater degree than we saw in Casino Royale).

Why do you suspect as much?

I personally see the exact opposite. I think QUANTUM OF SOLACE continues the push away from the Brosnan era... a genuine sense of style, intense action, more consistent tone, and well-executed character development.

[PPK_19]

I have a feeling Brosnan-era style Bond film making has returned(at least to a greater degree than we saw in Casino Royale).

You're only saying that because the Brosnan-era was very action-oriented, without much in the way of character development etc. Just because we all know QOS is Bond going on- for want of better words- a killing spree, doesnt mean QOS is going to lapse in terms of dodgy scripting and lapses in CGI quality like in DAD.

In 25 days we're all know the outcome anyway. Well, those of us who live in Blighty anyway

[RivenWinner]

I don't see the need to continuously have the franchise have homages to itself in the newer films. Instead of repeating themselves, why doesn't EON come up with some new potentially-iconic momemts that would be thought of as being just as significant in the franchise as this moment was in Goldfinger.

Yes, I agree. And as I have stated earlier, I don't like this one bit, in fact I find it more annoying and distracting than anything else. I'll see this is in the theater and will basically roll my eyes and hope that the scene will quickly come to an end. Then I will proceed to quickly try and forget it. This example even goes a bit further than just being an homage. I understand dotting the films here and there with small nods to the previous films, but something like this just goes too far and is overtly obvious.

You know, this is the sort of thing that would appear in spoof films or a rival film or series, but for EON to do this...I don't know. They need to leave out overt "homages" such as these and come up with new iconic images.


That being said, someone mentioned how this should have been used in TWINE, and it certainly would have made sense in the context of that film.

To me, the inclusion of this scene in Quantum of Solace is very disappointing.

Edited by RivenWinner, 05 October 2008 - 08:55 PM.

[Mr. Blofeld]

This homage to GOLDFINGER isn't appropriate for a flick like QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Even for DIE ANOTHER DAY, it would be rather lamely overt. I mean, does this really qualify as "homage"? It's direct theft - same pose, same idea. I'm not really a fan. Sorry, EON. It's time to come up with some new iconic images... not just rehash old ones.

I wonder how logically, pretending in real life, you would dip a human body in black oil, then take them back to a hotel room without calling for attention....

Suspension of disbelief? What's that?

[DLibrasnow]

This homage to GOLDFINGER isn't appropriate for a flick like QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Even for DIE ANOTHER DAY, it would be rather lamely overt. I mean, does this really qualify as "homage"? It's direct theft - same pose, same idea. I'm not really a fan. Sorry, EON. It's time to come up with some new iconic images... not just rehash old ones.

That's a little harsh. The Bond films have always borrowed from themselves. In fact my favorite EON movie The Spy Who Loved Me was once referenced as a "Greatest Hits collection" from previous outings and stole blatently from You Only Live Twice - but I still love it!

I like the idea of them including this homage. It's better than all the winks at previous movies in 2002's Die Another Day and the shot of Artenton has rthe iconic sexiness of the Eaton shot in Goldfinger. Though I would have liked Arterton to be able to appear in a later outing I am more pumped about seeing this movie than before I opened this thread.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

I have a feeling Brosnan-era style Bond film making has returned(at least to a greater degree than we saw in Casino Royale).

Why do you suspect as much?

I personally see the exact opposite. I think QUANTUM OF SOLACE continues the push away from the Brosnan era... a genuine sense of style, intense action, more consistent tone, and well-executed character development.

Which makes this Jill Masterson "homage" all the more disappointing to learn of. I would expect it in the James Bond 40th Anniversary Special known as Die Another Day. I guess I was expecting a little more originality post-Casino Royale.

I have a feeling Brosnan-era style Bond film making has returned(at least to a greater degree than we saw in Casino Royale).

You're only saying that because the Brosnan-era was very action-oriented, without much in the way of character development etc. Just because we all know QOS is Bond going on- for want of better words- a killing spree, doesnt mean QOS is going to lapse in terms of dodgy scripting and lapses in CGI quality like in DAD.

In 25 days we're all know the outcome anyway. Well, those of us who live in Blighty anyway

I hope you're right and I'm wrong, PPK. However, I'm keeping my expectations relatively low. If QOS, equals or betters the best of the Brosnan era I'll be fine with it.

I don't see the need to continuously have the franchise have homages to itself in the newer films. Instead of repeating themselves, why doesn't EON come up with some new potentially-iconic momemts that would be thought of as being just as significant in the franchise as this moment was in Goldfinger.

Yes, I agree. And as I have stated earlier, I don't like this one bit, in fact I find it more annoying and distracting than anything else. I'll see this is in the theater and will basically roll my eyes and hope that the scene will quickly come to an end. Then I will proceed to quickly try and forget it. This example even goes a bit further than just being an homage. I understand dotting the films here and there with small nods to the previous films, but something like this just goes too far and is overtly obvious.

You know, this is the sort of thing that would appear in spoof films or a rival film or series, but for EON to do this...I don't know. They need to leave out overt "homages" such as these and come up with new iconic images.


That being said, someone mentioned how this should have been used in TWINE, and it certainly would have made sense in the context of that film.

To me, the inclusion of this scene in Quantum of Solace is very disappointing.

Ditto. A part of me is glad I already know about this going in. I think the sledgehammer subtlety of this homage would've totally taken me out of the film if I wasn't expecting it.

[Harmsway]

I have a feeling Brosnan-era style Bond film making has returned(at least to a greater degree than we saw in Casino Royale).

Why do you suspect as much?

I personally see the exact opposite. I think QUANTUM OF SOLACE continues the push away from the Brosnan era... a genuine sense of style, intense action, more consistent tone, and well-executed character development.

Which makes this Jill Masterson "homage" all the more disappointing to learn of. I would expect it in the James Bond 40th Anniversary Special known as Die Another Day. I guess I was expecting a little more originality post-Casino Royale.

Naturally. I'm pretty irritated by this, too, but it is just a brief footnote in a much larger film. I'm still expecting good things from QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong, PPK. However, I'm keeping my expectations relatively low. If QOS, equals or betters the best of the Brosnan era I'll be fine with it.

Really? If QOS only equals the best of the Brosnan era, I'll be furious. There's no excuse for dreck.

[zstoneVII]

http://www.mailonsun...grey-beard.html

understand nothing 2 do with spoiler thread but from same paper. DC looking frail journo comments? I dont think so...just poor newspaper talk...

[tdalton]

Really? If QOS only equals the best of the Brosnan era, I'll be furious. There's no excuse for dreck.

I'll be pretty disappointed by it as well if it only equals the best of the Brosnan Era. Everything we've seen in regards to QoS the past few weeks has been great up until the news of this particular re-creation of the Goldfinger scene in QoS.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

Really? If QOS only equals the best of the Brosnan era, I'll be furious. There's no excuse for dreck.

I'll be pretty disappointed by it as well if it only equals the best of the Brosnan Era. Everything we've seen in regards to QoS the past few weeks has been great up until the news of this particular re-creation of the Goldfinger scene in QoS.

That's why I keep my expectations low. If it doesn't exceed them, I won't be disappointed. If it does exceed them, then great and I'll enjoy it even more. I had high expectations on Brosnan's 2 "best"-GE and TWINE and was disappointed while I went with low expectations when I saw his 2 "worst"-TND and DAD and enjoyed them more. I think I had realistic, cautiously optimistic expectations with CR since it appeared to be a return to the style of film attempted during the Dalton era and was definitely and most assuredly not disappointed.

[Mister E]

We've seen these pictures before; here they are in better quality. I'm not that keen on this homage, it is too blatant. I just hope they set fire to the oil and leave a charred corpse, at least that would be something different.

How is it "too blantant" ? It's a respectful homage but even more disturbing. The body is not neatly covered in oil, it's dripping in it. That is unlike Jill Masterson's clean gold painted corpse.

[Dangerous Liaison]

http://www.mailonsun...grey-beard.html

understand nothing 2 do with spoiler thread but from same paper. DC looking frail journo comments? I dont think so...just poor newspaper talk...

He's still sexy to me and although I'm not privy to the beard, it's his face if he wants the beard let him have it. Shooting has stopped, and he's very Bondian (in my book) no matter what.

[Mister E]

I can't believe people are equating this to a DAD homages. All those so called "homages" watered down the moments they made reference too. Complete opposite here, the body maybe lying on the same angle but it's presentation is more graphic.

[Harmsway]

That's why I keep my expectations low.

Expecting dreck and getting dreck wouldn't make me happy. I have no interest in setting my expectations that low... if they were, I wouldn't bother to go to the theater.

[tdalton]

That's why I keep my expectations low.

Expecting dreck and getting dreck wouldn't make me happy. I have no interest in setting my expectations that low... if they were, I wouldn't bother to go to the theater.

Agreed. On one hand, this is a scene that could have been very shocking had it been done correctly (and by that, I mean kept secret and been tweaked enough so that it's not a blatant copying of Goldfinger), but instead it's just going to look like an homage to Goldfinger, which is, IMO, something that does not belong in the Craig Era.

[bondrules]

That's why I keep my expectations low.

Expecting dreck and getting dreck wouldn't make me happy. I have no interest in setting my expectations that low... if they were, I wouldn't bother to go to the theater.

Agreed. On one hand, this is a scene that could have been very shocking had it been done correctly (and by that, I mean kept secret and been tweaked enough so that it's not a blatant copying of Goldfinger), but instead it's just going to look like an homage to Goldfinger, which is, IMO, something that does not belong in the Craig Era.

"tweaked enough so that it's not a blatant copying of Goldfinger), but instead it's just going to look like an homage to Goldfinger, which is, IMO, something that does not belong in the Craig Era."

You hit the nail on the head. I concur.

[sharpshooter]

Like has been said, it is actually not a homage, it is a direct copy from Goldfinger. Exact pose, exact everything - except we remove gold and add oil. Unashamed and in your face, screaming "get it?!” It is a minus to what would have been a film full of seemingly fresh content. The more things change, the more things stay the same. Please, cut this stuff out EON.

[Mister E]

That's why I keep my expectations low.

Expecting dreck and getting dreck wouldn't make me happy. I have no interest in setting my expectations that low... if they were, I wouldn't bother to go to the theater.

Agreed. On one hand, this is a scene that could have been very shocking had it been done correctly (and by that, I mean kept secret and been tweaked enough so that it's not a blatant copying of Goldfinger), but instead it's just going to look like an homage to Goldfinger, which is, IMO, something that does not belong in the Craig Era.

Why not ? Just because it was from Goldfinger ?

Like has been said, it is actually not a homage, it is a direct copy from Goldfinger. Exact pose, exact everything - except we remove gold and add oil. Unashamed and in your face, screaming "get it?!” It is a minus to what would have been a film full of seemingly fresh content. The more things change, the more things stay the same. Please, cut this stuff out EON.

Like I said before, the prestentation of the body is different. The paint done on Masterson's body is neat and shiny, Feilds is the exact opposite.

[tdalton]

That's why I keep my expectations low.

Expecting dreck and getting dreck wouldn't make me happy. I have no interest in setting my expectations that low... if they were, I wouldn't bother to go to the theater.

Agreed. On one hand, this is a scene that could have been very shocking had it been done correctly (and by that, I mean kept secret and been tweaked enough so that it's not a blatant copying of Goldfinger), but instead it's just going to look like an homage to Goldfinger, which is, IMO, something that does not belong in the Craig Era.

Why not ? Just because it was from Goldfinger ?

I'm just not a fan of films copying things from other films, especially when there's a chance for something much more original to be done that could end up being just as iconic (or, at the very least, more shocking) than what this homage is shaping up to be. Is it going to keep me from enjoying Quantum of Solace? No, it won't, but it would have been nice to have gotten something different that would have been equally, if not more, shocking than this copying of Goldfinger.

[Mister E]

That's why I keep my expectations low.

Expecting dreck and getting dreck wouldn't make me happy. I have no interest in setting my expectations that low... if they were, I wouldn't bother to go to the theater.

Agreed. On one hand, this is a scene that could have been very shocking had it been done correctly (and by that, I mean kept secret and been tweaked enough so that it's not a blatant copying of Goldfinger), but instead it's just going to look like an homage to Goldfinger, which is, IMO, something that does not belong in the Craig Era.

Why not ? Just because it was from Goldfinger ?

I'm just not a fan of films copying things from other films, especially when there's a chance for something much more original to be done that could end up being just as iconic (or, at the very least, more shocking) than what this homage is shaping up to be. Is it going to keep me from enjoying Quantum of Solace? No, it won't, but it would have been nice to have gotten something different that would have been equally, if not more, shocking than this copying of Goldfinger.

Other then the angle of the body, the scenes are going after two different presentations. This one is not as neat or romantic. I don't think the film should be penalized for a nod to another film when it clearly has alot of original ideas already.

[Dangerous Liaison]

Other than the position in the bed, the shock factor really is much different. I remember Goldfinger, seeing that scene and my eyes got wide and said 'wow, sucks to be her.' Now, the moment I caught sight of the photo of Gemma, I gasped and actually got a goosebump or two and quickly called over my boyfriend to take a look at it. I explained to him the homage aspect of it (he's not a Bond fan) and he says quote:

"It's a lot like that Gold movie thing, but this is sick. This is so much cooler... So that other *beep* was in gold paint? This one is in *beep* oil!"

Okay, as Bond fans (I'm not trying taking a hit at them/us), we are much too picky about every aspect of the film. Now my boyfriend, the average movie-goer, thought that was sick and made him "pumped" to see that on the big screen.

Some of you may not like the homage, or blatant copy, or whatever you want to call it, but the shock factor is there and it looks incredible. That's what matters. We complain about everything, and this is no different.

[sharpshooter]

The paint done on Masterson's body is neat and shiny, Feilds is the exact opposite.

Wow, what a massive difference that is. I feel a whole lot better now.