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[Glockenspiel]

Ok, so now I'm leaving.
Not only this thread, but the entire commanderbond.net (and the other bond sites).
Cause if I don't, I'll know the whole movie before I see it.
And I don't want to.
This spoiler was the last to be revealed to me.
I'll keep my words, for once.
See you later... after having seen Quantum of Solace.

[00Twelve]

Not any of the shots surrounding it, or the script, or anything except the most bare of details. She's dead, it's a message to Bond, she's naked on the bed in the Masterson pose. That's all we know.

We also know that as soon as Bond sees the body, M shows up, lectures him, and Bond is clapped in handcuffs.

Now that sounds more like a cause for concern that the Solange scene is being too directly copied. Not that I'm really concerned, per say, but it seems to echo that scene much more closely than the GF scene, given that little bit of insight.

[Mister E]

Not any of the shots surrounding it, or the script, or anything except the most bare of details. She's dead, it's a message to Bond, she's naked on the bed in the Masterson pose. That's all we know.

We also know that as soon as Bond sees the body, M shows up, lectures him, and Bond is clapped in handcuffs.

Now that sounds more like a cause for concern that the Solange scene is being too directly copied. Not that I'm really concerned, per say, but it seems to echo that scene much more closely than the GF scene, given that little bit of insight.

Hmm, well I think M is going more brutal this time.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

It'll actually be pretty cool if Arnold could sneak like very subtly the three "Goldfinger" notes the moment we see her.

Be careful what you wish for. We may get it.

Aside from the blatant GF ripoff, I am kind of disappointed to learn Fields dies. Since both Solange and Vesper ended up dead in CR, I was kind hoping for a film where both main girls live like Octopussy and Magda in OP or Lupe and Pam in LTK. Is every female conquest of Craig's Bond going to end up dead? That would make him a true and literal ladykiller.

[Mister E]

That would make him a true and literal ladykiller.

That is critical to Bond's character development because the fact that these women die hardens him.

[bondrules]

That would make him a true and literal ladykiller.

That is critical to Bond's character development because the fact that these women die hardens him.

Just emotionally I hope

[00Twelve]

Not any of the shots surrounding it, or the script, or anything except the most bare of details. She's dead, it's a message to Bond, she's naked on the bed in the Masterson pose. That's all we know.

We also know that as soon as Bond sees the body, M shows up, lectures him, and Bond is clapped in handcuffs.

Now that sounds more like a cause for concern that the Solange scene is being too directly copied. Not that I'm really concerned, per say, but it seems to echo that scene much more closely than the GF scene, given that little bit of insight.

Hmm, well I think M is going more brutal this time.

The cuffs would indeed seem to say so, yes.

[Hockey Mask]

It'll actually be pretty cool if Arnold could sneak like very subtly the three "Goldfinger" notes the moment we see her.

Be careful what you wish for. We may get it.

Aside from the blatant GF ripoff, I am kind of disappointed to learn Fields dies. Since both Solange and Vesper ended up dead in CR, I was kind hoping for a film where both main girls live like Octopussy and Magda in OP or Lupe and Pam in LTK. Is every female conquest of Craig's Bond going to end up dead? That would make him a true and literal ladykiller.

I am guessing that they want Bond unattached at the end of the QOS. This way they can keep the dark, brooding, un-womanizing Bond character going through the series as long as possible. As soon as he "attaches" himself to a woman at the end of a movie and shows up in the next movie without her we are back in the traditional Bond role. You can only "restart" the series so often, you have to take advantage of it when you can.

[Dangerous Liaison]

That would make him a true and literal ladykiller.

That is critical to Bond's character development because the fact that these women die hardens him.

Just emotionally I hope

Wow, a necrophilia joke. Don’t see those too often.

[Righty007]

Anybody have a hi-res image of Fields on the bed? It would look great on my desktop!

[DLibrasnow]

Anybody have a hi-res image of Fields on the bed? It would look great on my desktop!

I was just thinking the same thing Chris. You can enlarge it from the original source, that's what I did.

Since this evidently precedes the Goldfinger mission (with Bond just getting his 00 status in 2006), perhaps Goldfinger had Jill killed with gold paint as a reminder to 007 of what happened to Agent Fields?

[Mister E]

Anybody have a hi-res image of Fields on the bed? It would look great on my desktop!

I was just thinking the same thing Chris. You can enlarge it from the original source, that's what I did.

Since this evidently precedes the Goldfinger mission (with Bond just getting his 00 status in 2006), perhaps Goldfinger had Jill killed with gold paint as a reminder to 007 of what happened to Agent Fields?

No DLibrasow, that is the old continuity. You can't fit in to the new films.

[DLibrasnow]

Anybody have a hi-res image of Fields on the bed? It would look great on my desktop!

I was just thinking the same thing Chris. You can enlarge it from the original source, that's what I did.

Since this evidently precedes the Goldfinger mission (with Bond just getting his 00 status in 2006), perhaps Goldfinger had Jill killed with gold paint as a reminder to 007 of what happened to Agent Fields?

No DLibrasow, that is the old continuity. You can't fit in to the new films.

So, you are saying this 2006-2008 series is entirely separate from the old 1962-2002 series?

[Mister E]

Anybody have a hi-res image of Fields on the bed? It would look great on my desktop!

I was just thinking the same thing Chris. You can enlarge it from the original source, that's what I did.

Since this evidently precedes the Goldfinger mission (with Bond just getting his 00 status in 2006), perhaps Goldfinger had Jill killed with gold paint as a reminder to 007 of what happened to Agent Fields?

No DLibrasow, that is the old continuity. You can't fit in to the new films.

So, you are saying this 2006-2008 series is entirely separate from the old 1962-2002 series?

Yes buddy.

[Vauxhall]

So, you are saying this 2006-2008 series is entirely separate from the old 1962-2002 series?

I'd say yes too actually. It makes the issue of continuity so much easier to digest.

[Harmsway]

So, you are saying this 2006-2008 series is entirely separate from the old 1962-2002 series?

I'd say yes too actually. It makes the issue of continuity so much easier to digest.

Yup.

[Loomis]

Well, it's hardly as though continuity isn't already completely shot to hell throughout the "old" 1962-2002 series.

Personally, I think of it as all one series, and I suspect that Eon does too. After all, didn't they originally announce QUANTUM as "BOND 22", as opposed to "BOND 2" or "BOND 2.2" or whatever?

Also, if CASINO and QUANTUM are supposed to be so separate from the "old" series, why then did the filmmakers go to so much trouble building links between them, e.g. the rehiring of the likes of David Arnold, Martin Campbell and Judi Dench, the continued use of the James Bond Theme and the gunbarrel, the in-joke casting of Tsai (YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE) Chin in CR, and so on?

No, the Eon Bonds, for me, constitute a single series, and the only films that stand outside it in their own world are CASINO ROYALE (1967) and NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN.

Anyway, going by the current issue of Esquire, I think we can blame (or, if you prefer, praise) Marc Forster for this GOLDFINGER in-joke. He explains: "I also got to pay a little homage to a couple of elements I liked in earlier Bond films, but I'm not going to talk about them until people have seen the film. There should always be some surprises."

[Mister E]

Well, it's hardly as though continuity isn't already completely shot to hell throughout the "old" 1962-2002 series.

I know it's pretty mangled but I think trying to fit CR and QOS into that time line would be even more confusing. I find it easier to think they are simpy two seperate time lines.

[Loomis]

Only two timelines? Then Brosnan's Bond is in the same timeline as Connery's? Nope, doesn't work for me.

The way I look at it is that it's one series but with several timelines. Or, as I think Michael G. Wilson once put it, not a series but a series of serieses.

[Vauxhall]

I agree with the idea of it being a series of serieses. Roughly, I think of it as being three series or so:

- Connery, Lazenby and Moore (DR NO to A VIEW TO A KILL)
- Dalton and Brosnan (THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS to DIE ANOTHER DAY)
- Craig (CASINO ROYALE onwards)

That vaguely works for me.

[Mister E]

Only two timelines? Then Brosnan's Bond is in the same timeline as Connery's? Nope, doesn't work for me.

I already said the 62-02 timeline is pretty mangled. Maybe you are putting a bit too much thought into this ?

[Mr. Blofeld]

Mine sort of runs this way:

Series One: DN-YOLT, DAF-TMWTGG, MR, AVTAK, GE-DAD
Series Two: DN-TB, OHMSS, FYEO, TSWLM, OP, TLD-LTK
Series Three: CR-?

This vaguely works for me.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

Mine sort of runs this way:

Series One: DN-YOLT, DAF-TMWTGG, MR, AVTAK, GE-DAD
Series Two: DN-TB, OHMSS, FYEO, TSWLM, OP, TLD-LTK
Series Three: CR-?

This vaguely works for me.

So FYEO came before TSWLM, Mr. Blofeld? Also, I think MR and TSWLM must be in the same timeline because of the Jaws connection. In addition, the "Stromberg mission" is directly referred to in Christopher Wood's James Bond and Moonraker novelization.

I'd like to think that the events of TLD and LTK happened between the GE PTS and the rest of the GE film. Would help explain Bond's darker moodiness during the Dalton era with him suffering from guilt over 006's "death."

[tdalton]

I'd like to think that the events of TLD and LTK happened between the GE PTS and the rest of the GE film. Would help explain Bond's darker moodiness during the Dalton era with him suffering from guilt over 006's "death."

I actually quite like that idea, and it would have been even better had Dalton been cast in GoldenEye.

As others have said, I think that there's probably 3 distinct "series" within the franchise, with Dr. No through A View To a Kill being one series, The Living Daylights through Die Another Day being a second series, and Casino Royale and its subsequent films being a third series.

[Mister E]

I'd like to think that the events of TLD and LTK happened between the GE PTS and the rest of the GE film. Would help explain Bond's darker moodiness during the Dalton era with him suffering from guilt over 006's "death."

I think Bond in GE really can not be linked with Dalton at all, he was too smug and light hearted.

[Mr. Blofeld]

So FYEO came before TSWLM, Mr. Blofeld?

Yes; he kills Blofeld, but he's still sensitive about his wife's death.

Also, I think MR and TSWLM must be in the same timeline because of the Jaws connection.

If you saw Moonraker without seeing The Spy Who Loved Me beforehand, you'd probably think that Jaws was just another baddie popping up during the PTS.

I'd like to think that the events of TLD and LTK happened between the GE PTS and the rest of the GE film. Would help explain Bond's darker moodiness during the Dalton era with him suffering from guilt over 006's "death."

Doesn't fit; Brosnan's Bond is far too smug and prickish during the Monte Carlo opening to be the same Bond who watched his best friend get torn to pieces and brutally lit a South American drug lord on fire.

Anyhow, I'm convinced that Dalton's Bond would have punched out Brosnan's Bond, had they ever met...

[Kristian]

Anyhow, I'm convinced that Dalton's Bond would have punched out Brosnan's Bond, had they ever met...

Seriously. Okay, I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually liked Pierce's coif in GE. A little too sleek and feminine, but somehow it became him - which is part of the problem. He's just too pretty. Timmy D. would've been like, "Oh, I'm going to have some fun ing with this FancyPants..."

[Harmsway]

The way I look at it is that it's one series but with several timelines. Or, as I think Michael G. Wilson once put it, not a series but a series of serieses.

Sounds about right.

[bondrules]

Anyhow, I'm convinced that Dalton's Bond would have punched out Brosnan's Bond, had they ever met...

Seriously. Okay, I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually liked Pierce's coif in GE. A little too sleek and feminine, but somehow it became him - which is part of the problem. He's just too pretty. Timmy D. would've been like, "Oh, I'm going to have some fun ing with this FancyPants..."

PB's main problem for me was that he looked too hungry all the time. Around men or women. He looked like he would have done the bad guys too. Rough sex for everyone.
For me it was awkward to see him interact with others. I'm glad he is done with. I didn't like the ambiguity. Either he played for both teams or he didn't.
I don't think that you have to send in the wrong signals in order to be sexy. Just ask Austin Powers.

Edited by bondrules, 12 October 2008 - 06:12 AM.

[Loomis]

I agree with the idea of it being a series of serieses. Roughly, I think of it as being three series or so:

- Connery, Lazenby and Moore (DR NO to A VIEW TO A KILL)
- Dalton and Brosnan (THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS to DIE ANOTHER DAY)
- Craig (CASINO ROYALE onwards)

That vaguely works for me.

Yep. That also works.

I'd like to think that the events of TLD and LTK happened between the GE PTS and the rest of the GE film. Would help explain Bond's darker moodiness during the Dalton era with him suffering from guilt over 006's "death."

Doesn't fit; Brosnan's Bond is far too smug and prickish during the Monte Carlo opening to be the same Bond who watched his best friend get torn to pieces and brutally lit a South American drug lord on fire.

No, it doesn't fit, but then again Lazenby's Bond isn't particularly similar to Connery's, yet we're presumably supposed to take the clips from previous 007 outings in the OHMSS opening credits sequence as meaning that Lazenby's Bond is the same guy who had those earlier adventures.