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Sorry, I think I made a mistake. MK12 didn't do CATCH ME IF YOU CAN. I feel foolish, something should have told me it wasn't them.

Damn. I'm with Harmsway; that would have sold me on MK12.

That was Nexus Productions, wasn't it?

Correct.

[DaveBond21]

Is Kleinman confirmed to be out then? or is he working with MK12?

It's definitely not sounding like he'll be apart of this one, which is kind of a shame in my opinion.

Still, it should be really interesting to see what this group comes up with and especially how it compares to the Binder and Kleinman titles.

Does anyone believe that this is purely Marc Forster's idea, and that it will be MK12's one and only Bond movie?

It can't have been. Saul Bass died in '96.

I know, that's why I made an edit. I am in La La land today.

Today????!!

[Mister E]

Does anyone believe that this is purely Marc Forster's idea, and that it will be MK12's one and only Bond movie?

Yes. EON is giving him leeway because they wanted to firmly establish the Craig era with a new look. I really doubt MK12 is coming back for Bond 23.

Today????!!

I could have sworn I killed you yesterday. No sorry, that was the boy next door, he was cute.

[DaveBond21]

Today????!!




I could have sworn I killed you yesterday. No sorry, that was the boy next door, he was cute

That's less "la-la", more "psycho"...

[Mister E]

That's less "la-la", more "psycho"...

I am just kidding, he wasn't that cute.

[Blonde Bond]

I bet he had freckles and all...




Regarding MKwhatstheirface, I wish they would've been the ones behind 'Catch Me If You Can' titles. I've seen the movie only once, and I still have the titles freshly imprinted in my memory.

[mister-white]

I'm actually not really impressed with what I see on MK12's site, don't know why, but I simply don't like it. Sure, I found Mr. Kleinman's stuff during the Brosnan years a bit too flashy and CG, but what he did with CR is some of the best title work I've seen in years. And knowing Forster's preference, I wouldn't be surprised if the PTS is followed simply by logo, with the titles being saved for the end (which I don't like at all).

But the thing with Mr. Kleinman, am I the only one amazed that since Forster came in, almost every single member of the 'Bond family' has been fired by this guy? I mean, c'mon, the last film was simply one of the best Bond films ever, and what do they do, they bring in a director who fires everyone who did their best work on the last one. Lindy Hemming, Peter Lamont, now Dan Kleinman? WTF? Love to see how Babs has her father's same amount of respect and loyalty to the people he works with. Remember how Cubby turned down Spielberg as director of FYEO, so he could promote John Glen? I would love to see what would happen if a director came into Bond when Cubby was around and said he wanted to get rid of Maurice Binder or Ken Adam or any of the regulars that they had. They would be off the film so fast their head would be spinning.

Plus, also on the line of loyalty, back when Roger Michell was supposed to direct, didn't he have a carbon copy of the crew from CR lined up to return, he even had Stuart Baird and Phil Meheux back in their respective roles of editor and cinematographer. And if Forster feels he has to get rid of their legends, why the hell does he have a hasbeen like David Arnold back as composer, especially when in that role, there are so many possibilities for much more talented composers to come in.

Sorry about the little rant, this whole thing has gotten way to out of hand. Here's praying for a Hemming- Lamont- Kleinman return on Bond 23.

[Mister E]

I'm actually not really impressed with what I see on MK12's site, don't know why, but I simply don't like it. Sure, I found Mr. Kleinman's stuff during the Brosnan years a bit too flashy and CG, but what he did with CR is some of the best title work I've seen in years. And knowing Forster's preference, I wouldn't be surprised if the PTS is followed simply by logo, with the titles being saved for the end (which I don't like at all).

But the thing with Mr. Kleinman, am I the only one amazed that since Forster came in, almost every single member of the 'Bond family' has been fired by this guy? I mean, c'mon, the last film was simply one of the best Bond films ever, and what do they do, they bring in a director who fires everyone who did their best work on the last one. Lindy Hemming, Peter Lamont, now Dan Kleinman? WTF? Love to see how Babs has her father's same amount of respect and loyalty to the people he works with. Remember how Cubby turned down Spielberg as director of FYEO, so he could promote John Glen? I would love to see what would happen if a director came into Bond when Cubby was around and said he wanted to get rid of Maurice Binder or Ken Adam or any of the regulars that they had. They would be off the film so fast their head would be spinning.

Plus, also on the line of loyalty, back when Roger Michell was supposed to direct, didn't he have a carbon copy of the crew from CR lined up to return, he even had Stuart Baird and Phil Meheux back in their respective roles of editor and cinematographer. And if Forster feels he has to get rid of their legends, why the hell does he have a hasbeen like David Arnold back as composer, especially when in that role, there are so many possibilities for much more talented composers to come in.

You really need to get your facts straight. Let's off with the fact that Directors, Composers, title designers, costume designers, etc. are people who are SELF EMPLOYED and not under contract unlike the actors who play Bond. They don't work for EON, they choose when they can be available and EON chooses them when they need them. So no one was fired, just not asked to return. As for the titles, there's no way they are going to be at the end. They may have given Foster more freedom then other directors but they aren't going let him begin the film with a logo. Also, I believe Peter Lamont said that he choose not to return for QOS.

Edited by Mister E, 29 July 2008 - 04:00 AM.

[Captain Tightpants]

I'm actually not really impressed with what I see on MK12's site, don't know why, but I simply don't like it. Sure, I found Mr. Kleinman's stuff during the Brosnan years a bit too flashy and CG, but what he did with CR is some of the best title work I've seen in years. And knowing Forster's preference, I wouldn't be surprised if the PTS is followed simply by logo, with the titles being saved for the end (which I don't like at all).

That's not going to happen. I believe we've been told that the title seqence will be in the vein of the traditional ones. Every film since the Connery era has had the title sequence between the PTS and the film proper, and I see no eason why they would change that.

But the thing with Mr. Kleinman, am I the only one amazed that since Forster came in, almost every single member of the 'Bond family' has been fired by this guy? I mean, c'mon, the last film was simply one of the best Bond films ever, and what do they do, they bring in a director who fires everyone who did their best work on the last one. Lindy Hemming, Peter Lamont, now Dan Kleinman? WTF? Love to see how Babs has her father's same amount of respect and loyalty to the people he works with. Remember how Cubby turned down Spielberg as director of FYEO, so he could promote John Glen? I would love to see what would happen if a director came into Bond when Cubby was around and said he wanted to get rid of Maurice Binder or Ken Adam or any of the regulars that they had. They would be off the film so fast their head would be spinning.

It's Forster's film, but you're saying he doesn't have the right to work with the people he feels will aid him in bringing about the best quality film? Why do you think directors often work with the same cinematographers from film to film? It's because they know how those crews will think, act and behave, and they know how to get the most out of them. If that means we get a better film at the end of the day, then I'm all for it. Plus, Forster would have to run the employment of those people past the producers first. And those people haven't been fired; other people have simply been employed instead of them. Again, it's not as if they've been cast out into the street with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

Plus, also on the line of loyalty, back when Roger Michell was supposed to direct, didn't he have a carbon copy of the crew from CR lined up to return, he even had Stuart Baird and Phil Meheux back in their respective roles of editor and cinematographer. And if Forster feels he has to get rid of their legends, why the hell does he have a hasbeen like David Arnold back as composer, especially when in that role, there are so many possibilities for much more talented composers to come in.

Because when those "legends" stuck around for too long, the franchise started to go dowhill and the reward for it was Die Another Day. It's my experience that even legends have their expiration date, but I think the bigger problem is the hypocracy from fans who demand that some people go because they've been around for "too long", but want to retain people who have been around for even longer. The franchise needs an injection of fresh blood into the mix, and Quantum of Solace is looking to administer the dose. And if the new people do just as well as - or even better than - Baird and Meheux, I'd like to see your arguments then.

[DCI_director]

Since MK12 is in, and Daniel Kleinman is out, I'm curious if we will see the return of the dancing girls in the title sequence? Foster did say that he wanted to make QOS harken back to the look of the early Bond films so I wonder if we will get girls like Binder used in his title sequence or if we will get just random designs. I know many of you on here liked Casino Royale's title design, but I have always liked the silhouettes and I would like to see them return. Those girls are just one of those icons you associate Bond with, just like the gun barrel. Eon has used them in marketing from books to cd covers. I just can't imagine EON would throw them out forever. I've reviewed MK12's other title designs and I have to say I'm not impressed. That's not to say they are not talented, but I guess to me, their title designs could be put on any movie and be forgotten, wheras Binder and Kleinman's designs were very identifiable as a Bond title sequence with dancing silhouettes and other iconic images both men used. So to reiterate my question, what do you think MK12's title design will look like?

[Qwerty]

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[Skudor]

Since MK12 is in, and Daniel Kleinman is out, I'm curious if we will see the return of the dancing girls in the title sequence? Foster did say that he wanted to make QOS harken back to the look of the early Bond films so I wonder if we will get girls like Binder used in his title sequence or if we will get just random designs. I know many of you on here liked Casino Royale's title design, but I have always liked the silhouettes and I would like to see them return. Those girls are just one of those icons you associate Bond with, just like the gun barrel. Eon has used them in marketing from books to cd covers. I just can't imagine EON would throw them out forever. I've reviewed MK12's other title designs and I have to say I'm not impressed. That's not to say they are not talented, but I guess to me, their title designs could be put on any movie and be forgotten, wheras Binder and Kleinman's designs were very identifiable as a Bond title sequence with dancing silhouettes and other iconic images both men used. So to reiterate my question, what do you think MK12's title design will look like?

OK, maybe I dreamt this, it's entirely possible, but I recall reading somewhere (perhaps on the MK12 website) that they did some shooting in Pinewood with models, which would imply some girls in the titles. I certainly hope so.

[zencat]

Well, of all the mixed (to mostly negative) things I'm hearing about QOS, the one point of solid agreement seems to be that the work of MK12 is...not so hot (to be kind).

[NVT]

There is a short clip of the title sequence production at youtube, they are using naked models again, lets just say that the dusty sandy enviornment plays through with the title sequence.

OH well, the producers could of saved a ton of money if they just let me do the title sequence.

[Qwerty]

Well, of all the mixed (to mostly negative) things I'm hearing about QOS, the one point of solid agreement seems to be that the work of MK12 is...not so hot (to be kind).

Yep. A shame, too.

[Captain Tightpants]

Well, of all the mixed (to mostly negative) things I'm hearing about QOS, the one point of solid agreement seems to be that the work of MK12 is...not so hot (to be kind).

Really? I haven't read a single one.

[Mr. Blofeld]

There is a short clip of the title sequence production at youtube, they are using naked models again, lets just say that the dusty sandy enviornment plays through with the title sequence.

Really? I can't find it...

[Captain Tightpants]

It's one of the production blogs.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Well, of all the mixed (to mostly negative) things I'm hearing about QOS, the one point of solid agreement seems to be that the work of MK12 is...not so hot (to be kind).

Really? I haven't read a single one.

Same here. And of the few reviews I have read that are 'geeky' enough to critique the titles, they have been fairly positive.

[Harmsway]

Well, of all the mixed (to mostly negative) things I'm hearing about QOS, the one point of solid agreement seems to be that the work of MK12 is...not so hot (to be kind).

I dunno. I've seen a few reviews speak very positively about the title sequence (both in outside and CBN member reviews).

[Mr. Blofeld]

It's one of the production blogs.

Oh; I thought you meant actual footage of the finished titles...

[Pierce - Daniel]

I love mk12's reports. I think they did the film the world of good. First of all I love the idents or each country, I really looked forward to them all. All very clever. The MTS was stunning, I did dislike the gunbarrel thought it was a bit...well.....for lack of better word......

[Qwerty]

There is a short clip of the title sequence production at youtube, they are using naked models again, lets just say that the dusty sandy enviornment plays through with the title sequence.

Really? I can't find it...

http://commanderbond.net/article/5599