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[tdalton]

Hey, anyone saw this?

I hadn't. Great stuff there - very brutal. Can't wait to see the entirety of the trailer.

I hadn't seen it either, but I thought that it looked pretty good.

[DamnCoffee]

Ah well, so the ET segment was the same clip? Darn, only 2 more days though.

[stamper]

OK I got some reports about the footage that was screened for the press (as reported in Variety) direct from someone who attended.

It was all action. No plot. No character's devellopment. ACTION. ACTION. ACTION.

Journalists he said were a bit taken off guard because CR relied so much on characters as well as action. The action in QOS look good, it was basically CR part 2. The problem is, the producers give the impression that what they are selling is another DAD ie all flash and no substance. It looks promising, but I agree that so far (and even when the trailer comes out), they didn't advertise any character's devellopment or story twist, (they even talked only about ACTION during the initial conference) and I think we should start to worry a bit. Just a slight bit.

[DamnCoffee]

Hmmm. I dont think Forster would let this happen. I think he cares alot about the quality of the movies he makes. So does Craig, didn't he only accept the role of Bond because the Casino Royale script looked promising?

[marktmurphy]

OK I got some reports about the footage that was screened for the press (as reported in Variety) direct from someone who attended.

It was all action. No plot. No character's devellopment. ACTION. ACTION. ACTION.

Journalists he said were a bit taken off guard because CR relied so much on characters as well as action. The action in QOS look good, it was basically CR part 2. The problem is, the producers give the impression that what they are selling is another DAD ie all flash and no substance. It looks promising, but I agree that so far (and even when the trailer comes out), they didn't advertise any character's devellopment or story twist, (they even talked only about ACTION during the initial conference) and I think we should start to worry a bit. Just a slight bit.

Worry about the trailer makers, perhaps- but I'm not sure you can worry about the film just yet. I'm sure I could edit a trailer of Spy Who Loved Me that could make it looked there's no action in it all.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

OK I got some reports about the footage that was screened for the press (as reported in Variety) direct from someone who attended.

It was all action. No plot. No character's devellopment. ACTION. ACTION. ACTION.

Journalists he said were a bit taken off guard because CR relied so much on characters as well as action. The action in QOS look good, it was basically CR part 2. The problem is, the producers give the impression that what they are selling is another DAD ie all flash and no substance. It looks promising, but I agree that so far (and even when the trailer comes out), they didn't advertise any character's devellopment or story twist, (they even talked only about ACTION during the initial conference) and I think we should start to worry a bit. Just a slight bit.

I think they are pushing the action on the trailers because of all the flack QoS has gotten over the title. I think they want to assuage fears that it would be 'boring' to the people who groaned about the name. I highly doubt it'll be all flash and no substance. They would not have chosen Forster if it was, and I doubt Craig would go along with it either. He was very vocal while filming CR, whether they listened to him or not, so I think he'd be that way again.

[stamper]

Let's hope so, but rest assure that so far, all they are pushing in promotion is the ACTION. TWICE THE ACTION.

[DamnCoffee]

Anyway.. didn't Forster day that there was more action in Casino Royale than in Quantum of Solace?

[CM007]

Anyway.. didn't Forster day that there was more action in Casino Royale than in Quantum of Solace?

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Anyway.. didn't Forster day that there was more action in Casino Royale than in Quantum of Solace?

Well didn´t Martin Cambell say that there would only be One explosion in Casino Royale.......don´t believe everything that comes from the director.....

Must say I love the footage although it´s pretty much what I expected Lots of Action

[Aris007]

OK I got some reports about the footage that was screened for the press (as reported in Variety) direct from someone who attended.

It was all action. No plot. No character's devellopment. ACTION. ACTION. ACTION.

Journalists he said were a bit taken off guard because CR relied so much on characters as well as action. The action in QOS look good, it was basically CR part 2. The problem is, the producers give the impression that what they are selling is another DAD ie all flash and no substance. It looks promising, but I agree that so far (and even when the trailer comes out), they didn't advertise any character's devellopment or story twist, (they even talked only about ACTION during the initial conference) and I think we should start to worry a bit. Just a slight bit.

I'm thinking the same thing. I see we're very excited about the film(which is normal), but I think that we must be more down-to-earth about QoS. We all hope that it will be the twin brother of CR, but I find it difficult to keep the story going just as CR. I think that QoS will be very differentr from Bond 21(I hope a better one)!

[Zorin Industries]

OK I got some reports about the footage that was screened for the press (as reported in Variety) direct from someone who attended.

It was all action. No plot. No character's devellopment. ACTION. ACTION. ACTION.

Journalists he said were a bit taken off guard because CR relied so much on characters as well as action. The action in QOS look good, it was basically CR part 2. The problem is, the producers give the impression that what they are selling is another DAD ie all flash and no substance. It looks promising, but I agree that so far (and even when the trailer comes out), they didn't advertise any character's devellopment or story twist, (they even talked only about ACTION during the initial conference) and I think we should start to worry a bit. Just a slight bit.

I'm not "worried". First and foremost it's only a teaser trailer. It's meant to tease - not put BOND into psychotherapy and tell us about every character decision. Your "concerns" make no logical sense. And why the hell would they "advertise any character's development" or "story twist" in a trailer?!!!!! That would give things away - whether they are "twists" or not.

I am a bit confused as to why a teaser trailer no-one has seen yet and a 10 second grainy clip that some people have via YouTube is hinting that QUANTUM OF SOLACE is doomed.

The only thing that is "all flash and no substance" is some fans complete illogical conclusions about a film that hasn't even been edited yet. I suggest turning off all visual media, closing the windows, putting on some shoes and leaving the house to get some air and perspective on this.

[stamper]

It's not the trailer, it's the footage they have shown to selected people. These people probably expected to have a general feel of the movie, not just about the action in the movie.
As for Foster claims of less action than CR, it goes totally against not only what M. Wilson claimed over and over "twice the action !", but also against the trailer (which will be all action) and the promo footage shown to select people this month (also all action).

So it's a given, this movie is sold as an action movie, whatever Foster might say (the CR trailers setted up some of the story and were not all action, that is what anyone expect from a trailer to at least have some idea of the movie plot or pitch).

Here's my feeling : they setted out to make a full on action movie because they were not satisfied with the plot and had a deadline with all this screenwriters strike. They didn't had a satisfying story that's why they asked Haggis to redo everything. They hired Foster hoping he would flesh out some of the elements they had missing and that's why he got his own writer on board. Here's hoping Foster will make it work.

[Zorin Industries]

It's not the trailer, it's the footage they have shown to selected people. These people probably expected to have a general feel of the movie, not just about the action in the movie.
As for Foster claims of less action than CR, it goes totally against not only what M. Wilson claimed over and over "twice the action !", but also against the trailer (which will be all action) and the promo footage shown to select people this month (also all action).

So it's a given, this movie is sold as an action movie, whatever Foster might say (the CR trailers setted up some of the story and were not all action, that is what anyone expect from a trailer to at least have some idea of the movie plot or pitch).

Yes. James Bond films are action movies.

James Bond films are also filmed like any other project - i.e. the action scenes are often filmed first. So it makes sense that the more visual moments of the film are presented to the press rather than any dialogue heavy exchanges or plot development (which wouldn't get presented to the press anyway).

It's probably best if you don't see this film - especially as the director and the producers are apparently lying to the fans and clearly demonstrating that - after 21 films and nearly 50 years of production - they don't have a clue how to make 007 films.

[bonded56]

FYI On Friday's "Daily 10", which airs on the E! Channel, they showed the same footage that we've seen on YouTube that came from ReelzCahannel's "Dailies" program on Thursday. ET had the same as online from BBC Breakfast.

Edited by bonded56, 28 June 2008 - 12:27 PM.

[baerrtt]

It's not the trailer, it's the footage they have shown to selected people. These people probably expected to have a general feel of the movie, not just about the action in the movie.
As for Foster claims of less action than CR, it goes totally against not only what M. Wilson claimed over and over "twice the action !", but also against the trailer (which will be all action) and the promo footage shown to select people this month (also all action).

So it's a given, this movie is sold as an action movie, whatever Foster might say (the CR trailers setted up some of the story and were not all action, that is what anyone expect from a trailer to at least have some idea of the movie plot or pitch).

Yes. James Bond films are action movies.

James Bond films are also filmed like any other project - i.e. the action scenes are often filmed first. So it makes sense that the more visual moments of the film are presented to the press rather than any dialogue heavy exchanges or plot development (which wouldn't get presented to the press anyway).

It's probably best if you don't see this film - especially as the director and the producers are apparently lying to the fans and clearly demonstrating that - after 21 films and nearly 50 years of production - they don't have a clue how to make 007 films.

QFT. Some fans just enjoy making themselves miserable don't they?

[Germanlady]

QFT. Some fans just enjoy making themselves miserable don't they?

Its been confirmed over and over, that there will be lots of character development along with the action. Can it not be, that there were rewritings, because Forster wanted MORE plot and dialogue? Its possible to me, that they are selling the action more because of the title - but we will all be surprised - in a good way.

[Matt_13]

So long as its good action, not goofy action, I'll be ok with it.

[Peckinpah1976]

Once all the buzz had died down after the release of CR, some audiences were found to be dissatisfied with the pacing of the film, particularly the action-lite middle section. The publicity for QOS is merely addressing this; the film-makers are saying "Now the origin story is out of the way, we can get back to the action/adventure type Bond movies of old." In other words, it's just the sales pitch - they're hardly likely to say: "Yes the new film is going to be bigger and better than the last one; in fact there's going to be loads more talking in it!"

Nothing to worry about in my opinion; and if it is more "action-packed" than it's predecessor, why does that mean it's going to be like DAD?

Edited by Peckinpah1976, 28 June 2008 - 01:52 PM.

[whitesox]

So long as its good action, not goofy action, I'll be ok with it.

Exactly

[Quantumofsolace007]

I've seen at least 4 or 5 interviews where daniel craig had to actually say "don't worry this is a james bond film not a kitchen sink drama"

I'm happy with both clips and i think calling judgment on, if you combine both clips what 20 seconds of footage, Quantum of solace based on what we've seen is still to early.


This is not Die another Day part 2 how do i know this for starters Halle berry isn't in the film.


Serioulsy though trust me come november we'll all be happy.

[Jackanaples]

I think we'll see the trailer no sooner than Monday, on schedule. EON and Sony seem to be running a tight ship this time round where QOS is concerned.

Ever since our lads broke the title news the day before the press conference, you mean?

Hey, compared to CASINO ROYALE the entire QOS production has been in total media blackout. No script leaks, the trailer's been done for a month and hasn't made it to the web, nada. We're getting only what they want us to know, and when.

[Johnboy007]

Yes. James Bond films are action movies.

Thank you!

Do people really expect the teaser trailer or selected snippets of footage to be office scenes, dinner scenes, or a bunch of people talking?

[crheath]

Did anyone see Entertainment Tonight last night? Did they show anything new? There was supposed to be some big preview of QOS.

[JackWade]

Go back and read the thread, crheath. That question has been answered a few times.

And as for this whole "all action, no development" thing, I'm not worried. Are you going to market an action film with a dialogue exchange? A sex scene? I don't think so. Unless these people saw the whole movie, I don't see what the fuss is about.

[yolt13]

Indeed, the fretting over the possibility of "too much action, not enough story" in this film is the kind of laughable silliness that keeps me from posting - or even visiting - this board very often. I'm not a big fan of folks who spend all of their time robbing themselves (and those around them) of their enjoyment of their favorite things by wallowing in pessimism. Talk about a waste of time...

If you want to complain about something, why not complain about Entertainment Tonight? Not only was the footage shown the exact same footage we'd already seen online, but we had to sift through a mountain of gossip garbage about everything from celebrity divorces to a reality dancing show "star's" home life just to get to it. Sitting through that show is like waking up in some dystopian, CLOCKWORK ORANGE future where the editors of US Weekly ("Celebrities are just like us! They eat! They shop! They sit down! They have baby bumps! They drive $120,000 tricked-out Hummers to front row seats at Lakers games, stopping on the way to buy a pair of $250 sunglasses at a posh boutique, pose for paparazzi pics, and sell their private sex videos to a distributor!") have taken over the world, appointed Miley Cyrus the Empress For Life, and implemented a penal corrections policy which involves being forced to watch endless footage of Madonna (who increasingly makes me think I'd rather go ahead and die today, as opposed to living to die another) getting harder and harder-looking as the years go by. I knew from past experience that wading through this episode (of a show which once, a lifetime ago, actually dealt with real industry news, not tabloid crap) was going to be arduous, but even fast forwarding through to the clip - which was, of course, played at the end and, unlike the CR promo stuff, wasn't even mentioned until midway through the show - proved a feat worthy of Bond himself. Imagine my dismay when the footage shown was the same stuff I'd seen online earlier in the day, and was not accompanied by even a token sampling of extra info, set-up, etc.

I'm sorry. Mary Hart, but your legs aren't THAT great! ET sucks. QoS, on the other hand, is looking very promising.

[DamnCoffee]

I dont have any doubts over QoS what so ever. I am confident that it will live up to expectations and with Forster and Craig working on it, how can it fail?

[ElFenomeno]

the trailer for CR showed the best bits of the movie.beggining.end. vesper drowning.
in 2006 i wasn't a bond fan so when i watched CR i didn't see any trailers before.
they shouldn't show so much. my opinion.
i don't want to watch the QoS trailer but the temptation is so big.

[JimmyBond]

Anyway.. didn't Forster day that there was more action in Casino Royale than in Quantum of Solace?

Well didn´t Martin Cambell say that there would only be One explosion in Casino Royale.......don´t believe everything that comes from the director.....

In fairness though, there was only one explosion in the script. And in double fairness, there only ended up being two explosions in the film.

[deth]

Anyway.. didn't Forster day that there was more action in Casino Royale than in Quantum of Solace?

Well didn´t Martin Cambell say that there would only be One explosion in Casino Royale.......don´t believe everything that comes from the director.....

In fairness though, there was only one explosion in the script. And in double fairness, there only ended up being two explosions in the film.

nitpicking here obviously but I can recall at least 3...

[Leon]

They will be trying to sell the action because that's where they need to sell it. The people who care about the characters like us Bond fans are generally a given audience.

Marc Forster and Daniel Craig have both talked about the attention to detail in the characters whilst shooting the film. It's never going to be a Philip Marlow story. The bond novels did have their good share of somewhat lengthy dialogues with major characters giving quirky and fascinating backgrounds on them, ie, Kerim Bey or "Dikko" Henderson. I would like to see this sort of thing looked into more in the films along with some of the quieter investigatory scenes, or Bond simply checking out a new hotel room/cleaning his gun/eating breakfast on his balcony.

Wishful thinking perhaps.