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[Jackanaples]

Anyway.. didn't Forster day that there was more action in Casino Royale than in Quantum of Solace?

Well didn´t Martin Cambell say that there would only be One explosion in Casino Royale.......don´t believe everything that comes from the director.....

In fairness though, there was only one explosion in the script. And in double fairness, there only ended up being two explosions in the film.

nitpicking here obviously but I can recall at least 3...

Ah, but one of the explosions was really shown as only a glow and reaction shot on Bond's face. Does that count?

[Leon]

There's nothing wrong with explosions, in fact they have been a staple of Bond films since Dr No (the Hearse and Dr No's island complex) and there are also plenty of them in the novels.

What matters is the reason for them, how they are used and the story that envelopes the action. Brosnan's films just had action all over the place for the sake of it, the books had action because it was a real part of the story, such as the incredibly long built-up and suspenseful escape from Piz Gloria followed by machine guns and grenade launchers on the ski slopes.

Compared to TWINE where Bond and Elektra have to go skiing in order to check the oil pipleline (so many things wrong with that) and the following action has no feel or character to it whatsoever, just copious amounts of explosions, guns and skidoos to try and kill Bond which is totally unnecessary. In the OHMSS scene there is a reason for the men, equipment and firepower at the time as well as a proper atmosphere/feel to both the enemy and the reason for them wanting to get 007.

I didn't even touch on the entire PTS action sequence of TWINE which makes no sense whatsoever as well as being ridiculously over-the-top on action. From why the woman is sitting in a gunboat on the Thames outside MI6, somehow knowing there will be a hole blown in the wall, let alone that side of the building and above ground, to how the hell a boat can drive along roads...and why Q has been building an armour plated military boat for fishing on company time and money. etc etc

This is what's wrong, not the explosions.

[stamper]

You're absolutely right. Let's pray it's not a Broz era movie with Craig in it. Explosions for the sake of it sucks. Those scenes you mention in WINE are totally amateur (and I hope the boat chase in the new one will finally bury the memory of WINE forever).

[DamnCoffee]

Wine?

[Mr. Blofeld]

Wine?

TWINE, he means.

Unless, of course, you'd like some with fish...

[tdalton]

I didn't even touch on the entire PTS action sequence of TWINE which makes no sense whatsoever as well as being ridiculously over-the-top on action. From why the woman is sitting in a gunboat on the Thames outside MI6, somehow knowing there will be a hole blown in the wall, let alone that side of the building and above ground, to how the hell a boat can drive along roads...and why Q has been building an armour plated military boat for fishing on company time and money. etc etc

This is what's wrong, not the explosions.

I've never understood the PTS to TWINE either. For a film that was trying (and emphasis on the word trying) to be a more serious spy thriller (a goal it didn't even come close to meeting), starting off the film in such a fashion was the absolute wrong way to go.

[Quantumofsolace007]

it's been a while since i;ve seen the brosnan films not saying i dislike the mof course just saying it's bben a while. I hope Quantum succed where Twine fails and that means giving us a great spy thriller. and everything I have seen all 15 seconds of it lol indicates we will be very happy

[Leon]

it's been a while since i've seen the brosnan films

I thoroughly recommend it, it really makes you appreciate fully what we have now.

[JackWade]

Well it makes you appreciate CASINO ROYALE, that's for sure. Not sure about QUANTUM yet... still quite awhile to go.

[DaveBond21]

You're absolutely right. Let's pray it's not a Broz era movie with Craig in it. Explosions for the sake of it sucks. Those scenes you mention in WINE are totally amateur (and I hope the boat chase in the new one will finally bury the memory of WINE forever).

The TWINE boat chase is my favourite Bond sequence of the lot, and was voted 2nd best Bond moment ever by the British public in a poll. Most of my friends still talk about it. So, please, speak for yourself.

[Mr. Blofeld]

The TWINE boat chase is my favourite Bond sequence of the lot, and was voted 2nd best Bond moment ever by the British public in a poll.

That's because it was the most recent at the time.

Most of my friends still talk about it. So, please, speak for yourself.

That's because they're all loonies.

[Leon]

You're absolutely right. Let's pray it's not a Broz era movie with Craig in it. Explosions for the sake of it sucks. Those scenes you mention in WINE are totally amateur (and I hope the boat chase in the new one will finally bury the memory of WINE forever).

The TWINE boat chase is my favourite Bond sequence of the lot

Why?

and was voted 2nd best Bond moment ever by the British public in a poll

Indeed, polls will never cease to surprise me. George W. Bush was voted in as president twice in much larger scale public votes. I won't say anything more.

[Matt_13]

LOL.

[deth]

the TWINE boat chase is great fun! Who gives a damn if it's "realistic" or not... as if realism was ever a factor in the Brosnan films, or any of the Bond films for that matter.

[Leon]

the TWINE boat chase is great fun! Who gives a damn if it's "realistic" or not... as if realism was ever a factor in the Brosnan films, or any of the Bond films for that matter.

Making sense and realism in spy thrillers aren't the same thing. What's great fun for me is getting absorbed into another world where mysterious stuff happens and Bond manages to do amazing and improbable things by the smallest odds.

I find nothing fun about watching a slapdash film with Bond driving a boat along roads among a really badly wirtten script which makes no sense whatsoever.

That is where the very fragile suspension of disbelief and fantasty gets brutally snapped and your imagination plummets back down to earth to realise it's actually just a silly film. Not to mention the fact that half the acting in it is at that utter level of appaulingness that you can see no character on screen, only an actor playing a boring character. This was immediatel noticeable from the banker at the very start and included both Pierce Brosnan and Sophie Marceau, two major characters. The villain had a bullett in his head that was still moving slowly killing him and ontop of that had made a neat hole through his brains rather than having simply pummelled a large chunk of it.

The list of atrocities, running naked across the line of artistic licence, are endless. Bloody awful film if you ask me and I hope nothing of that sort can be seen in Quantum of Solace.

[blueman]

The glimpses so far of the action in QOS look hot, but yeah the proof will be in the script/direction-pudding - and I'm not worried really, if there's one director right now who'd I have confidence in delivering a quality Bond flick it's Forster, still amazing to me that he was chosen, like Craig was for CR. Seems after years of Bond bleh, I'm getting my wishes for Bond coming true. Woo hoo!

[Broadsword]

Its a shame the henchman in the Alphas are firing blanks....

[honeyjes]

If that was not a joke it's pretty sick

Edited by honeyjes, 29 June 2008 - 08:45 AM.

[Broadsword]

Within the reality of a film its a joke. I meant it in the sense that they are firing dead sqaure 6 feet behind a car and not one of them appears to be hitting the Aston. Which is a 'shame' given the steps taken in other areas to bring a 'reality' to the action.

I hope they don't go the usual route of not showing the efects of rounds hitting thin metal. I thought we had gotten past that era. Sparks flying off cars which get shot at are so 80s. Wouldn't you say?

I didn't actually mean it within the reality of the 'real' you soft lad.

I would hope simply being a member here suggests I am a Bond fan and not someone who wants to see a Second Unit Crew get cut to shreds by real rounds.

Edited by Broadsword, 29 June 2008 - 09:39 AM.

[bond 16.05.72]

I agree I think the TWINE boat chase was OTT and utterly pointless, as Leon points out it makes no sense, it's like they conceived the sequence and then tried to insert in because they thought audiences would be blown away. Yes! the general public may have and those of you who grew up with Brosnan and still can't see the wood for the tree's even now when it comes to his entries but to think that this is one of the best of ever Bond sequence is beggars belief.

Nearly every sequence in FRWL or OHMSS were better or SWLM Lotus chase, the PTS of TLD or the Wave Krest sequence in LTK are better. That sequence was just a lazily conceived tick all the boxes scene, the general public would probably vote the MR gondolla as one of the best. That poll must have had all the young Brozzer fans voting cause if had had veteran fans it certainly wouldn't have been tops, it would still be either Bond's escape from Piz Gloria or the Red Grant train fight not a scene from one of the most uneven disasters of the series.

When the stunt co-ordiantor said thay were trying to make the boat chase in QOS more exciting by making it raw & visceral I was very excited about this sequence and I bet Craig won't be cracking funnies or straightening his tie.

[Captain Tightpants]

When the stunt co-ordiantor said thay were trying to make the boat chase in QOS more exciting by making it raw & visceral I was very excited about this sequence and I bet Craig won't be cracking funnies or straightening his tie.

Spoiler

I'm not going to take that bet on account of the fact that in the footage we've seen of the film so far, His Manliness is not wearing a tie.

[honeyjes]

Within the reality of a film its a joke. I meant it in the sense that they are firing dead sqaure 6 feet behind a car and not one of them appears to be hitting the Aston. Which is a 'shame' given the steps taken in other areas to bring a 'reality' to the action.

I hope they don't go the usual route of not showing the efects of rounds hitting thin metal. I thought we had gotten past that era. Sparks flying off cars which get shot at are so 80s. Wouldn't you say?

I didn't actually mean it within the reality of the 'real' you soft lad.

I would hope simply being a member here suggests I am a Bond fan and not someone who wants to see a Second Unit Crew get cut to shreds by real rounds.

Sorry broadsword, thought you were a stray from cnb, I'm not a soft lad either last time I checked I was a 36D

[bond 16.05.72]

When the stunt co-ordiantor said thay were trying to make the boat chase in QOS more exciting by making it raw & visceral I was very excited about this sequence and I bet Craig won't be cracking funnies or straightening his tie.

Spoiler

I'm not going to take that bet on account of the fact that in the footage we've seen of the film so far, His Manliness is not wearing a tie.

I've seen the footage a d I know that I was just illustrating a point, it was one of the most ludicrous moments of the series and all the worse for the smug way PB did it.

[Broadsword]

My apologies honeyjes. Is that crazy moo cnb still up and about? The poor woman didn't know what hit her when she took on Bond fans. She wrote me a personal email when the storm started, I took apart her argument point by point from a factual as well as philosophical perspective. I was never a fan of DC being given the role, he has great things with it and I have since changed my mind, but that gave her no right to say and do the things she did. Her replies always suggested she was slightly mad.

[deth]

the TWINE boat chase is great fun! Who gives a damn if it's "realistic" or not... as if realism was ever a factor in the Brosnan films, or any of the Bond films for that matter.

Making sense and realism in spy thrillers aren't the same thing. What's great fun for me is getting absorbed into another world where mysterious stuff happens and Bond manages to do amazing and improbable things by the smallest odds.

I find nothing fun about watching a slapdash film with Bond driving a boat along roads among a really badly wirtten script which makes no sense whatsoever.

That is where the very fragile suspension of disbelief and fantasty gets brutally snapped and your imagination plummets back down to earth to realise it's actually just a silly film. Not to mention the fact that half the acting in it is at that utter level of appaulingness that you can see no character on screen, only an actor playing a boring character. This was immediatel noticeable from the banker at the very start and included both Pierce Brosnan and Sophie Marceau, two major characters. The villain had a bullett in his head that was still moving slowly killing him and ontop of that had made a neat hole through his brains rather than having simply pummelled a large chunk of it.

The list of atrocities, running naked across the line of artistic licence, are endless. Bloody awful film if you ask me and I hope nothing of that sort can be seen in Quantum of Solace.

no, I mostly agree with all of what you said. However I apply that frame of mind to myself when I watch a Bourne film... Casino Royale had some many impossible moments (just like all Bond films), that to even attempt to pretend things are improbable instead of impossible is not feasable for me. That said, I also have had the niggling question as to just how the hell one drives a boat on land. Ridiculous.

[Emma]

That was awesome! Frankly I think it was way better than the teaser for CR!

[DaveBond21]

They will be trying to sell the action because that's where they need to sell it. The people who care about the characters like us Bond fans are generally a given audience.

Yeah, they know the Bond fans are coming to see it. They want to make sure all the action fans come too.

And everyone who is complaining needs to lighten up! We've only seen 20 seconds of the movie!!!

[stamper]

I apply that frame of mind to myself when I watch a Bourne film...

I agree, seeing a man tearing up an exit map from the wall in an embassy to get out is ludicrous !

[deth]

I apply that frame of mind to myself when I watch a Bourne film...

I agree, seeing a man tearing up an exit map from the wall in an embassy to get out is ludicrous !

huh? looking back, I guess I wasn't too clear... I meant in a movies like the Bourne films, I expect a little bit more plausibility. There's still some nonsense, but it's more grounded I suppose.

The Bond films have never really tried to do this. CR is obviously one of the closest, but it doesn't really do it either. And I hope they never do...

[Captain Tightpants]

My apologies honeyjes. Is that crazy moo cnb still up and about? The poor woman didn't know what hit her when she took on Bond fans. She wrote me a personal email when the storm started, I took apart her argument point by point from a factual as well as philosophical perspective. I was never a fan of DC being given the role, he has great things with it and I have since changed my mind, but that gave her no right to say and do the things she did. Her replies always suggested she was slightly mad.

It's kind of off-topic, but I recall someone uploaded a sample of her calling a radio station to discuss Craig's appointment to the role ... only to reveal she knew nothing of Craig and was there to talk about "the great Pierce Brosnan". The DJ quickly sent her on her way.

And yes, CnB still exist. They've gotten their act together; rather than being a group of fans trying to get Brosnan re-installed in the role regardless of the cost, they're simply a group of people who dislike Craig as Bond and feel there is a better candidate out there. They're far less extreme than they were under Deanna Brayton' "leadership".