No, I didn't ask him anything about Bond 22. I just introduced myself and shook his hand. I also took a pic, but his daughter is in it, so I don't want to post it online.
[quote name='David Schofield' post='791580' date='10 November 2007 - 12:34'][quote name='zencat' post='791404' date='9 November 2007 - 16:42'][quote name='Zorin Industries' post='791398' date='9 November 2007 - 08:30'][quote name='zencat' post='791367' date='9 November 2007 - 16:31']BTW. If you want to understand the issue of the strike, watch this. It's very good.
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Great link there Zencat. It explains it brilliantly. Can someone please pass it on to David Schofield? Assuming he has any time to watch such "biased" fare as YouTube when you consider he has all those employees wages to count and "Employer Of The Year" medals to polish. [/quote] Information isn't going to change David's mind (I've tried). Some people need to believe what they believe, and are entitled to their belief. Besides someone needs to fight for poor Rupert Murdoch.
And we DID have a Bentley stop and take a flier yesterday. Unclear whether it was writer or not.
BTW, here's the embed code for the video. Post it and pass it along.
Morning all. Just thought I'd let you creative types enjoy your suffering and self pity, your sack cloth and ashes for a few days. You UK students enjoyed your Friday night in the poly-bar (sorry, Uni bar: everyone's equal now) putting the world to rights?
Me, been out for the papers this morning in the Aston while the bride-to-be prepared Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee. Picked up a copy of the Daily Worker.
As even that well known marxist theorist,Mr Zorin Industries (ooh, the irony) worked out, I have no problem with strike action. Nor the cause of th striking writers to improve their lot. Clearly, Hollywood is la-la land, but not in the way I'd originally imagined. I hoped I'd clarified that my attitude in post #109. And I have taken time to watch the You Tube stuff posted. And I'm prepared to accept it at face value, have no issue with bias. I like You Tube. Well, except for when it carries self-published stuff by gun nutters in Finland who go into schools killing people. (Finland's a country in Northern Europe for the benefit of the our home-bound American readers). But I digress.
But then, I am once again drawn to references that seem to imply that it's fine for Haggis to earn $5,000,000 and ideally more (and, dare I say it, Daniel Craig), but that once again Rubert Murdoch (according to Zen) seems to deserve a kicking (I deduce this from the fact that Zen has introduced him to the argument as someone I am apparently defending). I guess Murdoch deserves the kicking because he is a billionaire and runs the studios? The reckoning's cause he's not on the "creative" side, right, and that he just creams the profits? Similarly, I get personally criticised for providing employees wages....?!
Now these are the politics of the juvenile, the politics of Michael Moore (sorry if I've sited him again but he's the only mainstream American fantasy socıalıst I'm aware of, other that the odd few on these boards). They aren't arguments likely to lead anyone to accept that their is credibility in your position.
But I take you lot back to my original starting point which is along the lines of: a nurse in the UK can earn, approximately, with a degree,
Edited by Zorin Industries, 10 November 2007 - 05:26 PM.
Double O Section has a pic of Haggis from yesterday. (Good article as well.)
Is Micheal Wilson a WGA member though as this article proclaims?
There are a number of directors like Quentin Tarantino and George Lucas who are not DGA members and the EON Bond films are listed as U.K. movies on every listing I have come across.
Also, Wilson is also a producer in long standing so I cannot see him being a member of the WGA.
Also, Wilson is also a producer in long standing so I cannot see him being a member of the WGA.
Why would that be? It's not like people take creative sides. There are many, many artists who are writer-producers (and writer-directors and writer-actors). Some of the biggest writers in TV are also the creator/producers. This isn't necessarily a fight between writers and producers. The producer of one of my projects was marching with us on the lines yesterday. This is a fight against the relatively new mega conglomerates who have consolidated all media into six companies and now want to redefine the business and pay structure for ALL the people who work in the industry, including producers.
Crafty of Paul Haggis not to turn in a polish of the script yet. heh, heh. Go Paul!
As for MGW not being a part of the WGA, isn't there a Producer's Guild that is somehow attached to the WGA? Maybe they share benes like health insurance?
Also I just read an article on the Creative Screenwriting e-zine that mentioned that the median income for WGA members is $25,000.00. It also said that currently writers on network shows like Ugly Betty don't receive residuals when the show is net cast and that 20% to 30% of the audience watch eps on the net. Also there are ads on the net and the networks receive income from that.
Paul Haggis said he hasn't received very much from DVD sales of CR or CRASH.
Crafty of Paul Haggis not to turn in a polish of the script yet. heh, heh. Go Paul!
As for MGW not being a part of the WGA, isn't there a Producer's Guild that is somehow attached to the WGA? Maybe they share benes like health insurance?
Not a shared Guild, but there is a blanket "Motion Picture Producers Pension Plan" that covers the entertainment industry (but "producers" here means everyone). Maybe that's what you're thinking of?
Crafty of Paul Haggis not to turn in a polish of the script yet. heh, heh. Go Paul!
As for MGW not being a part of the WGA, isn't there a Producer's Guild that is somehow attached to the WGA? Maybe they share benes like health insurance?
Not a shared Guild, but there is a blanket "Motion Picture Producers Pension Plan" that covers the entertainment industry (but "producers" here means everyone). Maybe that's what you're thinking of?
Must have thinking of that. I do hope the strike is over soon with a better deal for writers and everyone else involved.
Is Micheal Wilson a WGA member though as this article proclaims?
He's not.
Are your sure, RD? I did a membership search and found a Michael G. Wilson. No agency or contact info. I think he probably is a member, although now inactive. I don't think it's possible that he could write the Bonds, and receive screen credit, without being a member.
BTW, because of his cameos (which include dialog), he's almost certainly also a member of SAG.
Is Micheal Wilson a WGA member though as this article proclaims?
He's not.
Are your sure, RD? I did a membership search and found a Michael G. Wilson. No agency or contact info. I think he probably is a member, although now inactive. I don't think it's possible that he could write the Bonds, and receive screen credit, without being a member.
BTW, because of his cameos (which include dialog), he's almost certainly also a member of SAG.
Are you sure though zencat?
That may be true for Hollywood movies, but then the James Bond movies are not Hollywood movies - they are UK movies. Plus, there are a number of directors who are not DGA members (e.g Tarantino, Rodriguez, Lucas).
By the way, if it's true that the median income for screenwriters is $25,000 - Wow! That is simply appalling, our reporters fresh out of J-school get about $28,000 and I always thought that was too low to make a decent living.
Is Micheal Wilson a WGA member though as this article proclaims?
He's not.
Are your sure, RD? I did a membership search and found a Michael G. Wilson. No agency or contact info. I think he probably is a member, although now inactive. I don't think it's possible that he could write the Bonds, and receive screen credit, without being amember.
BTW, because of his cameos (which include dialog), he's almost certainly also a member of SAG.
Are you sure though zencat?
That may be true for Hollywood movies, but then the James Bond movies are not Hollywood movies - they are UK movies. Plus, there are a number of directors who are not DGA members (e.g Tarantino, Rodriguez, Lucas).
Yep, I'm pretty sure. And while Danjaq may be a UK company (actually, I think they are a Swiss company), the films are funded, co-produced, and distributed by Sony/MGM/UA, and that makes them Hollywood films...bigtime. (I never understand when people say the Bond films aren't Hollywood films.)
The DGA is completely different animal than the WGA. Different union, different rules, different agreements with the studios. And never look to Lucas as a typical example of how the Hollywood movie industry works. Lucas funds his own films out of his own pocket. He's completely independent and does what he likes.
Is Micheal Wilson a WGA member though as this article proclaims?
He's not.
Are your sure, RD? I did a membership search and found a Michael G. Wilson. No agency or contact info. I think he probably is a member, although now inactive. I don't think it's possible that he could write the Bonds, and receive screen credit, without being a member.
BTW, because of his cameos (which include dialog), he's almost certainly also a member of SAG.
If this is the case then how was he able to finish Licence to Kill while Maibaum was not. I always thought Wilson was outside the WGA.. like WGGB or something. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. I don't really know the whole story though. Maybe he just 'scabbed'.
So was Michael G. Wilson a scab in 1988 when he completed the script of Licence to Kill when Maibaum could not because of the last WGA strike? And did the WGA call him on it at the time?
By the way, if it's true that the median income for screenwriters is $25,000 - Wow! That is simply appalling, our reporters fresh out of J-school get about $28,000 and I always thought that was too low to make a decent living.
When I started out as a reporter back in '87, I grossed $18,000 a year. By the time I retired from full-time reporting almost 11 years ago, I'd made it up to a whopping $20,000. It was hard to make ends meet on that salary. Looks like things haven't changed much (given the rate of inflation).
So was Michael G. Wilson a scab in 1988 when he completed the script of Licence to Kill when Maibaum could not because of the last WGA strike? And did the WGA call him on it at the time?
EDIT: I see K1 beat me to it.
IF he was in the Guild in 88...yes, he was a scab, and this may be why we've never seen his name on a Bond film since.
I've never thought about this before. I have something new to ask those in the know.
Are your sure, RD? I did a membership search and found a Michael G. Wilson.
Oops! No, it looks like you're right, Zen. My mistake!
Surely, he wasn't a member during the last strike, though? Unless he managed to get away with writing Licence To Kill, because it was for an (ostensibly, at least) British production company, or something?
That wouldn't explain Maibaum not working on it, though, of course.
If he was in the Guild in 88...yes, he was a scab, and this may be why we've never seen his name on a Bond film since.
I've never thought about this before. I have something new to ask those in the know.
Well it may have been a contributing factor.
But I read somewhere that after the perceived "failure" of Licence to Kill that MGM demanded that neither Michael G. Wilson or Richard Maibaum be allowed to write a Bond movie (Maibaum passed away in 1991 anyway) or John Glen be allowed to direct a Bond movie.
But I read somewhere that after the perceived "failure" of Licence to Kill that MGM demanded that neither Michael G. Wilson or Richard Maibaum be allowed to write a Bond movie (Maibaum passed away in 1991 anyway) or John Glen be allowed to direct a Bond movie.
Not sure how accurate that was though.
Doesn't sound too accurate. When it came to Bond, especially back then, I don't think MGM was in the position to "demand" anything (but they certainly could have suggested it was time for a creative shake-up - they were right). And as K1 just pointed out, MGW co-wrote the first treatment for Bond 17 in 1990, so...
[quote name='Zorin Industries' post='791629' date='10 November 2007 - 17:24'][quote name='David Schofield' post='791580' date='10 November 2007 - 12:34'][quote name='zencat' post='791404' date='9 November 2007 - 16:42'][quote name='Zorin Industries' post='791398' date='9 November 2007 - 08:30'][quote name='zencat' post='791367' date='9 November 2007 - 16:31']BTW. If you want to understand the issue of the strike, watch this. It's very good.
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Great link there Zencat. It explains it brilliantly. Can someone please pass it on to David Schofield? Assuming he has any time to watch such "biased" fare as YouTube when you consider he has all those employees wages to count and "Employer Of The Year" medals to polish. [/quote] Information isn't going to change David's mind (I've tried). Some people need to believe what they believe, and are entitled to their belief. Besides someone needs to fight for poor Rupert Murdoch.
And we DID have a Bentley stop and take a flier yesterday. Unclear whether it was writer or not.
BTW, here's the embed code for the video. Post it and pass it along.
Morning all. Just thought I'd let you creative types enjoy your suffering and self pity, your sack cloth and ashes for a few days. You UK students enjoyed your Friday night in the poly-bar (sorry, Uni bar: everyone's equal now) putting the world to rights?
Me, been out for the papers this morning in the Aston while the bride-to-be prepared Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee. Picked up a copy of the Daily Worker.
As even that well known marxist theorist,Mr Zorin Industries (ooh, the irony) worked out, I have no problem with strike action. Nor the cause of th striking writers to improve their lot. Clearly, Hollywood is la-la land, but not in the way I'd originally imagined. I hoped I'd clarified that my attitude in post #109. And I have taken time to watch the You Tube stuff posted. And I'm prepared to accept it at face value, have no issue with bias. I like You Tube. Well, except for when it carries self-published stuff by gun nutters in Finland who go into schools killing people. (Finland's a country in Northern Europe for the benefit of the our home-bound American readers). But I digress.
But then, I am once again drawn to references that seem to imply that it's fine for Haggis to earn $5,000,000 and ideally more (and, dare I say it, Daniel Craig), but that once again Rubert Murdoch (according to Zen) seems to deserve a kicking (I deduce this from the fact that Zen has introduced him to the argument as someone I am apparently defending). I guess Murdoch deserves the kicking because he is a billionaire and runs the studios? The reckoning's cause he's not on the "creative" side, right, and that he just creams the profits? Similarly, I get personally criticised for providing employees wages....?!
Now these are the politics of the juvenile, the politics of Michael Moore (sorry if I've sited him again but he's the only mainstream American fantasy socıalıst I'm aware of, other that the odd few on these boards). They aren't arguments likely to lead anyone to accept that their is credibility in your position.
But I take you lot back to my original starting point which is along the lines of: a nurse in the UK can earn, approximately, with a degree,
By the way, if it's true that the median income for screenwriters is $25,000 - Wow! That is simply appalling, our reporters fresh out of J-school get about $28,000 and I always thought that was too low to make a decent living.
Why surprising? When everybody and their brother is trying to get into the biz, and willing to take whatever deal they can get to do so (ala Dr Noah), of course the mean income will drop. Nature of the biz, and obviously the most cost-effective for the production companies (at least for film production, seems the worst-reviewed films make the most money, implying a vested interest for the studios to support crappy or at least not-good/mature writing...just doesn't pay for the studios be all that supportive of established writers, sadly, not when they can throw relative crap on the screen and make their profit--I've always thought the Brosnan Bonds were adequate proof of that ).
But I read somewhere that after the perceived "failure" of Licence to Kill that MGM demanded that neither Michael G. Wilson or Richard Maibaum be allowed to write a Bond movie (Maibaum passed away in 1991 anyway) or John Glen be allowed to direct a Bond movie.
Not sure how accurate that was though.
Doesn't sound too accurate. When it came to Bond, especially back then, I don't think MGM was in the position to "demand" anything (but they certainly could have suggested it was time for a creative shake-up - they were right). And as K1 just pointed out, MGW co-wrote the first treatment for Bond 17 in 1990, so...
Yeah, MGM couldn't demand anything. They still can't. Suggest, pressure, sure, but in the end it all comes down to the Broccolis. That said, Maibaum was ... essentially fired after Licence to Kill, as was John Glen by Cubby Broccoli. Or so Variety reported. 'Fired' is rather harsh. I think in all honesty they just wanted to rejuvenate the franchise with new blood so they turned to new talent.
But I read somewhere that after the perceived "failure" of Licence to Kill that MGM demanded that neither Michael G. Wilson or Richard Maibaum be allowed to write a Bond movie (Maibaum passed away in 1991 anyway) or John Glen be allowed to direct a Bond movie.
Not sure how accurate that was though.
Doesn't sound too accurate. When it came to Bond, especially back then, I don't think MGM was in the position to "demand" anything (but they certainly could have suggested it was time for a creative shake-up - they were right). And as K1 just pointed out, MGW co-wrote the first treatment for Bond 17 in 1990, so...
Yeah, MGM couldn't demand anything. They still can't. Suggest, pressure, sure, but in the end it all comes down to the Broccolis. That said, Maibaum was ... essentially fired after Licence to Kill, as was John Glen by Cubby Broccoli. Or so Variety reported. 'Fired' is rather harsh. I think in all honesty they just wanted to rejuvenate the franchise with new blood so they turned to new talent.
Maibaum fired by Broccoli? I've never heard that one before. When did Variety claim this? He died 1991 (and wasn't involved with LTK much anyway).
But I read somewhere that after the perceived "failure" of Licence to Kill that MGM demanded that neither Michael G. Wilson or Richard Maibaum be allowed to write a Bond movie (Maibaum passed away in 1991 anyway) or John Glen be allowed to direct a Bond movie.
Not sure how accurate that was though.
Doesn't sound too accurate. When it came to Bond, especially back then, I don't think MGM was in the position to "demand" anything (but they certainly could have suggested it was time for a creative shake-up - they were right). And as K1 just pointed out, MGW co-wrote the first treatment for Bond 17 in 1990, so...
Yeah, MGM couldn't demand anything. They still can't. Suggest, pressure, sure, but in the end it all comes down to the Broccolis. That said, Maibaum was ... essentially fired after Licence to Kill, as was John Glen by Cubby Broccoli. Or so Variety reported. 'Fired' is rather harsh. I think in all honesty they just wanted to rejuvenate the franchise with new blood so they turned to new talent.
Maibaum fired by Broccoli? I've never heard that one before. When did Variety claim this? He died 1991 (and wasn't involved with LTK much anyway).
Late 1990. Maibaum was very involved in LTK he just had to drop out the last 4 or 5 months. You'll notice that he had nothing to do with Bond 17 and that Wilson teamed up with Alfonse Ruggiero instead. He died in January 1991 right around the time Bond 17 was supposed to start filming.
I don't know all the ends here, I'm just repeating what Variety reported.
Zencat.. could Wilson have finished the script because he was a producer? Does that count? Seems like a gray area.
[quote name='David Schofield' post='791686' date='10 November 2007 - 20:47'][quote name='Zorin Industries' post='791629' date='10 November 2007 - 17:24'][quote name='David Schofield' post='791580' date='10 November 2007 - 12:34'][quote name='zencat' post='791404' date='9 November 2007 - 16:42'][quote name='Zorin Industries' post='791398' date='9 November 2007 - 08:30'][quote name='zencat' post='791367' date='9 November 2007 - 16:31']BTW. If you want to understand the issue of the strike, watch this. It's very good.
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Great link there Zencat. It explains it brilliantly. Can someone please pass it on to David Schofield? Assuming he has any time to watch such "biased" fare as YouTube when you consider he has all those employees wages to count and "Employer Of The Year" medals to polish. [/quote] Information isn't going to change David's mind (I've tried). Some people need to believe what they believe, and are entitled to their belief. Besides someone needs to fight for poor Rupert Murdoch.
And we DID have a Bentley stop and take a flier yesterday. Unclear whether it was writer or not.
BTW, here's the embed code for the video. Post it and pass it along.
Morning all. Just thought I'd let you creative types enjoy your suffering and self pity, your sack cloth and ashes for a few days. You UK students enjoyed your Friday night in the poly-bar (sorry, Uni bar: everyone's equal now) putting the world to rights?
Me, been out for the papers this morning in the Aston while the bride-to-be prepared Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee. Picked up a copy of the Daily Worker.
As even that well known marxist theorist,Mr Zorin Industries (ooh, the irony) worked out, I have no problem with strike action. Nor the cause of th striking writers to improve their lot. Clearly, Hollywood is la-la land, but not in the way I'd originally imagined. I hoped I'd clarified that my attitude in post #109. And I have taken time to watch the You Tube stuff posted. And I'm prepared to accept it at face value, have no issue with bias. I like You Tube. Well, except for when it carries self-published stuff by gun nutters in Finland who go into schools killing people. (Finland's a country in Northern Europe for the benefit of the our home-bound American readers). But I digress.
But then, I am once again drawn to references that seem to imply that it's fine for Haggis to earn $5,000,000 and ideally more (and, dare I say it, Daniel Craig), but that once again Rubert Murdoch (according to Zen) seems to deserve a kicking (I deduce this from the fact that Zen has introduced him to the argument as someone I am apparently defending). I guess Murdoch deserves the kicking because he is a billionaire and runs the studios? The reckoning's cause he's not on the "creative" side, right, and that he just creams the profits? Similarly, I get personally criticised for providing employees wages....?!
Now these are the politics of the juvenile, the politics of Michael Moore (sorry if I've sited him again but he's the only mainstream American fantasy socıalıst I'm aware of, other that the odd few on these boards). They aren't arguments likely to lead anyone to accept that their is credibility in your position.
But I take you lot back to my original starting point which is along the lines of: a nurse in the UK can earn, approximately, with a degree,
Frankly, I put the odd saved life ahead of a few lousy words[/i]"... Well, "frankly", I'm not sure I want to live in a world where how much a nurse earns is deemed more important than cultural expression, art and the strength of the written word.
Quite. An intersting stance. Not necessarily the majority - or moral? - view. But there you are.
As a suggestion, perhaps you should ask your agent to see if he can get your TV companies to let you make a programme on it.
Frankly, I put the odd saved life ahead of a few lousy words[/i]"... Well, "frankly", I'm not sure I want to live in a world where how much a nurse earns is deemed more important than cultural expression, art and the strength of the written word.
Quite. An intersting stance. Not necessarily the majority - or moral? - view. But there you are.
As a suggestion, perhaps you should ask your agent to see if he can get your TV companies to let you make a programme on it.
I really hope this is having some cathartic effect on you, Mr Schofield, as everyone else on this thread cannot believe the vitriol and misguided musings of a man who is completely unable to understand the concept of irony (i.e. one man hates culture and art so much that he is on a James Bond website hour in, hour out) let alone compassion for workers whose greatest crime it seems is that they don't come under his umbrella of personal experience.
Either way, my involvement in this one ends here. I've said all I want to.
Edited by Zorin Industries, 11 November 2007 - 03:25 PM.
I really hope this is having some cathartic effect on you, Mr Schofield, as everyone else on this thread cannot believe the vitriol and misguided musings of a man who is completely unable to understand the concept of irony (i.e. one man hates culture and art so much that he is on a James Bond website hour in, hour out) let alone compassion for workers whose greatest crime it seems is that they don't come under his umbrella of personal experience.
Either way, my involvement in this one ends here. I've said all I want to.
Thought you're involvement had alread ended? Knocked off the re-launch of "The Clangers", already, have we?
I AM glad you feel sufficiently reassured to be secure in numbers, though. Delighted you're PMs are full of support.
Don't recall suggesting I hated what you'd call "culture". And I'd have thought my interest in the works of Fleming was evidence to the contrary? Just don't put it as highly as the work of nurses. I suspect the planet COULD live without another episode of, say, 24, Corrie or Hollyoaks. But as I said before, you're entitled to your point of view.
Yeah, MGM couldn't demand anything. They still can't. Suggest, pressure, sure, but in the end it all comes down to the Broccolis. That said, Maibaum was ... essentially fired after Licence to Kill, as was John Glen by Cubby Broccoli. Or so Variety reported. 'Fired' is rather harsh. I think in all honesty they just wanted to rejuvenate the franchise with new blood so they turned to new talent.
Sometime between 1989 and his death in 1991, I read an interview with Maibuam. He said something to the effect that he was told his run was over, that he couldn't complain too much because it had been such a long run, etc.
Personally, I think Licence to Kill might have benefitted from more participation by Maibuam, but the WGA strike prevented that from happening. One of the teaser trailers had a credit of "Screenplay by Michael G. Wilson," with no mention of Maibuam. While the final credit said "Written by Michael G. Wilson and Richard Maibuam," I think a somewhat more accurate credit would have been crediting the screenplay to Wilson and the story to Maibuam and Wilson. But WGA has the final say on writing credits, so somebody determined Maibuam should get a full co-writing credit.