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[Cruiserweight]

Well the pts is a bit weak in my opinion.For one you have the cairo guy flying across the floor and taking the worst bump that i've ever seen in a film.The whole death by mud and how easily the imposter Blofeld is defeated also makes it a weak pts for me.Wint & Kidd make the film for me though.

[Mr_Wint]

I've taken acting classes and stage combat classes. (...) But sadly both OHMSS and DAF have the fakest fighting scene's in my opinon.

You think OHMSS had fake fight scenes? How much did you pay for the courses? Not too much... I hope.

[sharpshooter]

Indeed, the PTS of DAF is not as good as its counterparts in the series, yet I take it as what the film is. Carefree cartoonish fun, and a good watch and break from the other tones in the series.

[MarcAngeDraco]

Yes, I even prefer Dr. No's PTS to DAF's.

What's that you say?! Dr. No didn't have a PTS?!

Yeh, I know...

Statement still stands.

[freemo]

I think it's rather kickass to be honest, especially the first couple of little scenes with Bond on the warpath, smacking everyone around. "I shan't ask you politely next time".

Sucks to be you if you don't like it.

[draxingtonstanley]

I concur with freemo. I think it has a great atmosphere,and sets the film up nicely(whether or not the film as a whole delivers is another matter). Taken on it's own terms,it's great fun. There are at least three worse PTS sequences in the series IMO: MWTGG,VTAK and LTK.

Edited by draxingtonstanley, 28 August 2007 - 11:39 AM.

[Judo chop]

I think it's rather kickass to be honest, especially the first couple of little scenes with Bond on the warpath, smacking everyone around. "I shan't ask you politely next time".

Sucks to be you if you don't like it.

Well, I don

[Safari Suit]

Everything you say is true, but I still think it's fun.

[Daddy Bond]

I think it's rather kickass to be honest, especially the first couple of little scenes with Bond on the warpath, smacking everyone around. "I shan't ask you politely next time".

Sucks to be you if you don't like it.

It is not what happens in the PTS (i.e. Bond on the warpath, smacking everyone around), it is how it was edited, shot, scored, synced, and scripted. It could have been done well, but all of these elements were very poorly done by any cinematic standard. As Judo Chop said, it was the technical execution that was lousy. Even if you REALLY like the PTS, you surely must see the technical problems that plague the PTS that make it look, well, amaturish.

[Jim]

Whilst it does all look a touch tatty, that's why I really rather like it and am fond of the old tosh. No expense spent, except on the big Scottish bloke administering slappage.

[RedKelly]

I've taken acting classes and stage combat classes. (...) But sadly both OHMSS and DAF have the fakest fighting scene's in my opinon.

You think OHMSS had fake fight scenes? How much did you pay for the courses? Not too much... I hope.

Well maybe it's just me. I can't find the clips but its mostly the beach and hotel room fights all movies have fake fights to me because to do a stage punch you bring your wrist across the actor's jaw line and he turns his head, from the right angle it slightly looks like a punch. Don't forget there all fake

[Skudor]

It doesn't seem to have the greatest production value ever, but I'm a bit fond of it. I love the "I shan't ask you politely next time" line - great Connery.

My wife has a good giggle at the Cairo line... it's so awful that it's funny.

I don't know if it's the worst PTS but it is definitely near the bottom.

[yolt13]

Not when taken in context with the rest of the film. It's just like calling DAF itself the worst Bond movie - only if your taste in Bond movies does not extend to the more deliberately humorous.

[Daddy Bond]

I've taken acting classes and stage combat classes. (...) But sadly both OHMSS and DAF have the fakest fighting scene's in my opinon.

You think OHMSS had fake fight scenes? How much did you pay for the courses? Not too much... I hope.

Well maybe it's just me. I can't find the clips but its mostly the beach and hotel room fights all movies have fake fights to me because to do a stage punch you bring your wrist across the actor's jaw line and he turns his head, from the right angle it slightly looks like a punch. Don't forget there all fake

And all these years I've thought that those stuntmen and actors were REALLY hitting each other!!!??? Man! That really colors my view of the movies now! I feel cheated! Next thing you'll be telling me that people don't really get shot in the movies - that it's all pretend and make believe! In the old days, of course, the unions didn't allow people to really get shot - that's why the old westerns are so bloodless.

[Judo chop]

Not when taken in context with the rest of the film. It's just like calling DAF itself the worst Bond movie - only if your taste in Bond movies does not extend to the more deliberately humorous.

What in the PTS would you say is deliberately humorous?

I don't think Hamilton meant for the fight scene to look more like a storyboard draw-up. He certainly didn

[plankattack]

It's definitely the cheapest, tattiest, poorly edited etc, but to be honest, that criticism can be levelled at the whole film. There are moments when it feels like everyone has had their voice dubbed, when the sets look hopeful at best (ocean liner? As if...), when the props are decidely ropey (stay away from that moon buggy - it's not a toy. Oh yes it is - a good-looking Corgi, if I remember correctly)*. In fact DAF as a whole, to quote again the chief technician at WW Space Laboratories, "What is this, amateur night?"

But I'm not convinced it's the worst - it's mercifully short (until CR, PTS's had bloated to what felt like thirty minutes - they are supposed to be teasers, after all), and it sets up the plot. It fits all of SC's PTSs - a little plot, a little punch-up, cue Shirley Bassey, and again, it's not out of place with the rest of the film (FYEO anyone?).

I confess, I'm more bothered with TMWTGG. The funhouse and the stereotyped gangster gumman are an accurate reflection for the tacky, phoney, almost completely unoriginal movie that follows.

DAF the worst? Close, but not quite.


*

This is no doubt the wrong place (Moderators - please help!) but in my earlier DAF PTS post I described the toy moon buggy as a Corgi toy. But for some reason I beginning to think that Dinky Toys were responsible for the first edition toy replicas. If anyone can help.....my mind will now be all a muddle until I get some closure on this matter........

We aim to please.

[Blonde Bond]

I like Austin Powers movies, so I must like DAF's pts.

And I daddy digs that. Although it is the most poorly edited, dubbed and sychronized, staged and choreographed pts in the whole series of bond movies.

- Ca-Ca-Cairo...Even Sergio Leone's westerns have better dubbing and synchronicing of the lines than this scene.

- Was that supposed to be a bump on the head? Looked more like...hmmm he just softly touched the wall...

- Okay, I know that mud's heavy...but that heavy?


But you know, at least Bond got some sort of a revenge by beating that fake Blofeld, just so he could forget his revenge for the rest of the movie.

Then again, maybe it wasn't Blofeld afterall. He did finally beat him in FYEO and all...you know...

Edited by Blonde Bond, 28 August 2007 - 07:00 PM.

[draxingtonstanley]

What in the PTS would you say is deliberately humorous?

"Making mud pies 007?"

And I'm really not sure the assassin emerging from the mudbath with a hopelessly soiled revolver only to be submerged again is meant to be an entirely sombre moment.

There's a feeling with this film that the makers were enjoying pushing the whole thing as close to self parody as possible,almost daring it to go over the edge.

I agree with the criticims regarding the production values-not just the PTS but the whole film,as has been stated,looks impoverished around Connery and his then record breaking fee. I seem to remember reading somewhere that he had punitive overtime rates written into his contract,avoidance of which which no doubt further contributed to the slapdash feel of DAF.

But there are enough good ideas,bizarre moments and great lines for it to work for me.
And that includes the PTS.

Edited by draxingtonstanley, 28 August 2007 - 07:09 PM.

[plankattack]

This is no doubt the wrong place (Moderators - please help!) but in my earlier DAF PTS post I described the toy moon buggy as a Corgi toy. But for some reason I beginning to think that Dinky Toys were responsible for the first edition toy replicas. If anyone can help.....my mind will now be all a muddle until I get some closure on this matter........

[erniecureo]

Secrets to enjoying the DAF PTS:

1. Be a 10-year-old boy.

2. Have it be your first Bond film.

3. See it in 1971, in a theater.

Follow those three rules, and it suddenly jumps to number one in the canon...

[Judo chop]

Secrets to enjoying the DAF PTS:

1. Be a 10-year-old boy.

2. Have it be your first Bond film.

3. See it in 1971, in a theater.

Follow those three rules, and it suddenly jumps to number one in the canon...

#2 and #3 might be out the realm of possibility for me, but I'm constantly working on #1!

[doublenoughtspy]

It's definitely the cheapest, tattiest, poorly edited etc, but to be honest, that criticism can be levelled at the whole film.

Your honor, the prosecution rests.

[col_007]

i'll put it bluntly i think its fu**ing crap the daf pre titles i think its way to pieced to together is frankly awful

so do people think daf is a half hearted effort in all

[Daddy Bond]

[draxingtonstanley]

I've just reread the top of this thread and I've realised I'm in complete agreement with Daddy Bond.
The DAF PTS IS an absurd mess. And I love it!
Funnily enough,I've just come back from watching the Bourne Ultimatum. That was an absurd mess and I enjoyed it too.

[auhin]

Wow. I always liked the PTS for Diamonds, mainly because of the fast-paced beginning. It was just the right size for me. Definitely not "awesome", but I still like it a lot.

I didn't even realize how badly the fighting was until I read these posts. Oh well, I love the movie anyway, it was one of my favorites since I was little.

[Royal Dalton]

I like it up until Bond gets to Blofeld's lab thingy, then it's downhill all the way.

The bit where the Bruce Forsyth-alike from OHMSS gets that mousetrap gadget on his fingers is good, though.

[Taro Todoroki]

Ok, so maybe it does have a Dean Martin Matt Helm feel to it. But come on, we're still talking Sean Connery with an assist form John Barry!

[DaveBond21]

I'm not a fan of DAF, and I agree that the PTS is poor. I also think the PTS for LALD and TMWTGG are quite poor too, all by the same director - Guy Hamilton.

[auhin]

Now, now, now-- LALD has a classic PTS! I love the funeral parade!