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[Bon-san]

I like both series. I win.

Ditto.

[HH007]

As I've stated elsewhere, I also like both series. But I kinda wish Damon would stop shooting his mouth off like that, it makes him sound like such a poor sport, especially when he admitted that he hasn't even seen Casino Royale.

[RazorBlade]

As I've stated elsewhere, I also like both series. But I kinda wish Damon would stop shooting his mouth off like that, it makes him sound like such a poor sport, especially when he admitted that he hasn't even seen Casino Royale.

Yeah, knock it off Matty, you ain't makin' any friends here.

[whitesox]

Anyhoo, these rather silly putdowns, when compared to Daniel Craig's comments about the Bourne series from earlier this week, are a great example of at least one trait Bourne will never have : Class.

There is two others Damon and Greengrass will never have: modesty and intelligence.

[marktmurphy]

There is two others Damon and Greengrass will never have: modesty and intelligence.

Why don't you look into the back catalogue of work of both of these men and then say that they don't have any intelligence? What a stupid thing to say.

[Athena007]

Matt Damon's just jealous he's not James Bond. Heh... wannabe.

[Mike00spy]

I don't care what Messrs Damon and Greengrass have to say about Bond.... or about anything. All I care about is whether I find THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM a decent film. By the same token, I couldn't care less about Daniel Craig's or Barbara Broccoli's views on x, y or z.

I agree to an extent. I have seen the other two and enjoyed them, but not to the point that I rushed to see them twice in theaters or repeatedly on DVD. It is much more than Damon and/or Greengrass talking about any subject at all- for example, what team they support or what TV they hate. But, they are talking about Bond when their movie comes out. It is done like this: "Bond sucks, so come see our movie, which is so so so so much better." That is why truly don't like the comments and why it doesn't want me to rush and see #3.

[Publius]

Connery, Lazenby, and even Brosnan have all said stupid things in real life, yet that doesn't diminish my enjoyment of their movies in the slightest, so Damon's harmless and amusingly pointless rants don't come any closer.

I agree that he's being silly, but it's a predictable combination of promotion and politics. However, I think it's clear by now that it's more about the latter, as the film is easily standing on its own two feet. After all, Damon is that deadliest of mixes: a former Harvard student who's become an established Hollywood actor. Pretentious isn't even the word.

[Zorin Industries]

There is a poll on the bbc news web site today ...which film series do you prefer, Bourne or Bond?...at time of writing, Bond is ahead 70% to Bourne 30 %.

Any chance of a link? I cant seem to find the Page in question.

Bourne is a one trilogy / one hit wonder).

Really??? I thought that there was two more novels, The Legacy and The Betrayal, yet to be filmed?

Yeah - spin-off novels equal spin-off films...Neither should occupt MY time all that much...

[stamper]

So will Craig be in the spin off movies ? They are going to make much more money than as is !

[0024]

'JB' will always be 'James Bond,' not 'Jason Bourne.'

Although I loved 'Bourne Ultimatum.'

[Zorin Industries]

And has "Matt Deymen" (you'll either get that one or you won't...) thought for one second that Bourne would not exist were it not for Bond...? The 007 movies created that genre for God's sake...

[shady ginzo]

this is true, Craig has been nothing but flattering to Greengrass and Damon, as I said in another thread yesterday, Both series are fantastic and the bourne films have frankly been amazing (but would get very teadious after 20+ installments!)

I with they'd just respect each other, Casino Royale is not direct competition to Bourne Ultimatum simply because of the time between their release.

on a side note, something just occoured to me... if Craig was not playing bond, how awesome would he be as BOURNE!

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]Okay, I

[Turn]

Weary I am growing of the whole Bond vs. Bourne, Damon vs. Craig, Greengrass vs. EON debates of the past few weeks.

Although I am a member of it, when do we take aim at the true people perpetuating this -- the media? How do we know the reporters aren't asking these directly because it makes better copy? Controversy sells, that's why all we hear about these days are celebrity screw-ups. Sure there's a natural connection between two invincible superspies, but can't one complement the other?

[Bon-san]

Weary I am growing of the whole Bond vs. Bourne, Damon vs. Craig, Greengrass vs. EON debates of the past few weeks.

Although I am a member of it, when do we take aim at the true people perpetuating this -- the media? How do we know the reporters aren't asking these directly because it makes better copy? Controversy sells, that's why all we hear about these days are celebrity screw-ups. Sure there's a natural connection between two invincible superspies, but can't one complement the other?

And, a bit further, how sure is anyone that the 'principals' aren't dictating both the questions and the answers.

Apply this query to all things.

[LadySylvia]

So can anyone confirm that Mr.Damon is an actual human being, or is he one of those dolls who spurts out a programmed phrase when you pull his string? I think this is at least the third time he's said this exact same comment, word for word!

I suspect it is the Universal Pictures PR cabal making Damon sounding like a programmed android.

[Craig is 007]

The Jason Bourne series could never be compared with the James Bond series. And especially now that Greengrass and Damon has been talking crap about James Bond.
Didn't Daniel Craig praise the Bourne series in an interview earlier? James Bond is classy, Bourne is crappy
Bourne can and will never be better than Bond, that's it!

Edited by Craig is 007, 18 August 2007 - 09:45 AM.

[JP007]

Greengrass said: "The Bourne franchise is not about wearing Prada suits and looking at women coming out of the sea with bikinis on. It's about essence and truth, not frippery and surface."

But...but...I like looking at women coming out of the sea with bikinis...and flippery and surface...don

[DamnCoffee]

Ok, As much as I love Jason Bourne I couldn't resist ...

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[RazorBlade]

Ok, As much as I love Jason Bourne I couldn't resist ...

love the poster!

Greengrass said: "The Bourne franchise is not about wearing Prada suits and looking at women coming out of the sea with bikinis on. It's about essence and truth, not frippery and surface."

He did, did he? Women coming out of the sea wearing bikinis are the essence of truth! At least as much as a middlin' actioner ripe off spy series.

[Santa]

Indeed. I would even say that the very essence of truth is that men like looking at women in bikinis. It doesn't get much more essential or truthful than that. And Jason Bourne isn't even the bloke's real name! Nothing truthful about that. I do wish they'd be quiet though. I don't like seeing men whose work I enjoy acting like bitchy teen schoolgirls. It's so undignified.

[Blonde Bond]

Jason Bourne isn't even the bloke's real name!

Do you think we're going to see a David Webb trilogy soon?

David Webb Essence and so on and so on...

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Damon Go... yourself!

[LadySylvia]

Wow! Another Bond vs. Bourne thread. They're really becoming a dime a dozen, for I just spotted another one in the "General Bond Discussion" Section.

[mccartney007]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' post='763356' date='17 August 2007 - 08:15'][mra]Okay, I

[LadySylvia]

The problem is that the cinematic James Bond is not a misygonist - despite what Damon or M in GOLDENEYE may have claimed. He's a sexist, but just barely. Bond was at his most sexist back in the 60s and early 70s. Bond is simply a man who uses casual sex to make up for his unwillingness to form an emotional attachment. And that comes from the emotional disappointments and pain he has endured most of his life . . . along with his chosen profession.

[Bondian]

The problem is that the cinematic James Bond is not a misygonist - despite what Damon or M in GOLDENEYE may have claimed. He's a sexist, but just barely. Bond was at his most sexist back in the 60s and early 70s. Bond is simply a man who uses casual sex to make up for his unwillingness to form an emotional attachment. And that comes from the emotional disappointments and pain he has endured most of his life . . . along with his chosen profession.

Great post.

[dodge]

If we look at Bond by his own standards, he's neither a misogynist or a sexist. The suggestion that he's unfulfilled would simply leave him speechless. He loves the company of women--for the duration of each film. Beyond that, the Bond we love has learned that the pleasures of women in short-lived affairs far outweigh the hassles of loving them for long. The day to day of lasting love bleeds the last drops of romance. In Bond's eyes, of course. Not mine. I adore bickering over the dishes and garbage!

[Flash1087]

If we look at Bond by his own standards, he's neither a misogynist or a sexist. The suggestion that he's unfulfilled would simply leave him speechless. He loves the company of women--for the duration of each film. Beyond that, the Bond we love has learned that the pleasures of women in short-lived affairs far outweigh the hassles of loving them for long. The day to day of lasting love bleeds the last drops of romance. In Bond's eyes, of course. Not mine. I adore bickering over the dishes and garbage!

Besides, between Vesper and Tracy he's had some pretty bad experiences with the ladies. Who could really blame him for not wanting anything more serious, given what he's been through?