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[Zorin Industries]

The following is a story from BBC News today.... Matt Damon has slammed Bond and his place in modern culture at the recent premiere of THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM.

I think Matt Damon and co should really wait to see how many Jason Bourne films they have made in 45 years before they start bashing Bond... I think TEAM AMERICA got it right.

Bourne is easy to get right. The times facilitate it. Let's see how well Bourne VII does in seventeen years time (and would Damon be in the role or would another actor be able to successfully take over in that role?....I doubt it very much - for no other real reason than Bourne is a one trilogy / one hit wonder).

Bond however is harder to make work after 45 years and for CASINO ROYALE to do it so spectacularly is testament to the creative, financial and personal investment of the Broccoli family and many others.

And since when did our cinematic heroes - be it Bourne, Bond, Indiana Jones or Inspector Clouseau - have to be solely predicated in contemporary times? The very invention of the screen hero is nothing but a modern day harping back to legends of old and parables of yesteryear. I don't hear people saying Beowulf, Frodo Baggins or Jason and The Argonauts is "anachronistic" or out of touch with today's reality. It's fictional Mr Damon. As is your importance in the canon of cinema. Let's see where Bourne and Bond stand in 100 years time. Neither might be still be getting new films made, but I know who will be more of the cultural presence.

Matt Damon really needs to stop throwing his toys from his pram. And at least Daniel Craig doesn't look like a tiny girl in the flesh... (well, if your toys are going to be thrown out of the pram then I too will throw mine Mr Damon. And trust me, mine fly further than yours...).

Oh, and whether you are in character or not, it is damn rude to elbow oblivious commuters out of the way when on location filming in Waterloo.



The story.....


Matt Damon dismisses 'dated' Bond (BBC NEWS)

Damon plays a former CIA hitman in the Bourne series
Hollywood star Matt Damon has dismissed James Bond as being stuck in the past.
The actor, who appears in the Bourne thrillers, said: "The Bond character will always be anchored in the 1960s and in the values of the 1960s."

The suave spy was "so anachronistic when you put it in the world we live in today", he said, but added that Bourne was no better or worse than Bond.

Damon was speaking in London, where The Bourne Ultimatum, the third film in the franchise, was having its UK premiere.

Hundreds of fans waited in the rain at the premiere in London's Leicester Square to see the actor, who plays CIA assassin Jason Bourne.

Famous faces who attended the screening included pop star Prince, Bourne's co-star Julia Stiles, actress Neve Campbell and model Helena Christensen.

"Bond is an imperialist and a misogynist who kills people and laughs about it, and drinks Martinis and cracks jokes," he told reporters.


Bond is an imperialist and a misogynist who kills people and laughs about it, and drinks Martinis and cracks jokes".

"Bourne is a serial monogamist whose girlfriend is dead and he does nothing but think about her."

He added that Bourne "doesn't have the support of gadgets, and he feels guilty for what he's done".

The first two Bourne outings - The Bourne Identity and The Bourne Supremacy - made more than $500m (

[MarcAngeDraco]

Seems like it's just a rehash of an interview from some weeks ago...

[marktmurphy]

"The suave spy was "so anachronistic when you put it in the world we live in today", he said, but added that Bourne was no better or worse than Bond."

Calm down.

Seems like it's just a rehash of an interview from some weeks ago...

No; it was the UK premiere last night.

[Loomis]

I don't care what Messrs Damon and Greengrass have to say about Bond.... or about anything. All I care about is whether I find THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM a decent film. By the same token, I couldn't care less about Daniel Craig's or Barbara Broccoli's views on x, y or z.

[avl]

There is a poll on the bbc news web site today ...which film series do you prefer, Bourne or Bond?...at time of writing, Bond is ahead 70% to Bourne 30 %.

BTW I like Bourne...but its no James Bond!

[Santa]

Again? This is becoming tedious.

[David Schofield]

"The suave spy was "so anachronistic when you put it in the world we live in today", he said, but added that Bourne was no better or worse than Bond"

But isn't this essentially what EON realised when they got rid of the overdressed, regular costume changing Brosnan-Bond and replaced it with the more urban, stripped down Craig version?

[stromberg]

I don't care what Messrs Damon and Greengrass have to say about Bond.... or about anything. All I care about is whether I find THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM a decent film. By the same token, I couldn't care less about Daniel Craig's or Barbara Broccoli's views on x, y or z.

Spot on, Loomers.

The only thing that bothers me about all this is that Matt Damon repeats all this a bit to often, and I'm somewhat under the impression, that all this (while it could well be his own honest opinion) origins from the head of some PR people.

On the international market, Bourne isn't a household name like he is in the U.S. or the UK. What better idea than to slam the rivaling and far better know franchise. Bond always makes the news, but Bourne? To quote Mayor Vaughn in 'Jaws': "It's all psychological. You yell barracuda, everybody says, "Huh? What?" You yell shark, we've got a panic on our hands on the Fourth of July."

[whitesox]

I really am fed up with Damon's and Greengrass's pathetic attempts to make the world believe they have talent. In 10 years, nobody'll remember who was Jason Bourne, that's the good news.

[marktmurphy]

I really am fed up with Damon's and Greengrass's pathetic attempts to make the world believe they have talent. In 10 years, nobody'll remember who was Jason Bourne, that's the good news.

They do have plenty of talent, and Bourne will easily be remembered in 10 years because it's good. Now stop throwing a silly sulk because somebody else in the world doesn't like something that you do.

[bogard]

I like both series. I win.

[whitesox]

I really am fed up with Damon's and Greengrass's pathetic attempts to make the world believe they have talent. In 10 years, nobody'll remember who was Jason Bourne, that's the good news.

They do have plenty of talent, and Bourne will easily be remembered in 10 years because it's good. Now stop throwing a silly sulk because somebody else in the world doesn't like something that you do.

Sorry but I NEVER liked the Bourne franchise, and I thought what I said way before Damon spoke. The Bourne movies are boring, pretentious, and for me non creative.The icing on the cake surely is the performance of Damon, who is -like in all the movies he "played" in- as expressive as a dead cow.

[DamnCoffee]

There is a poll on the bbc news web site today ...which film series do you prefer, Bourne or Bond?...at time of writing, Bond is ahead 70% to Bourne 30 %.

Any chance of a link? I cant seem to find the Page in question.

Bourne is a one trilogy / one hit wonder).

Really??? I thought that there was two more novels, The Legacy and The Betrayal, yet to be filmed?

[Blonde Bond]

Greengrass said: "The Bourne franchise is not about wearing Prada suits and looking at women coming out of the sea with bikinis on. It's about essence and truth, not frippery and surface."


Good. Then we both can accept that Bourne and Bond are two different franchines.


Dear god. I like both Bourne and Bond, but why you had to be so rude, Mr.Director man and Mister Damon. You're breaking my bond lovin heart

[stamper]

Last time I checked the last Bond movie, there was a man coming out of the sea, not a woman. And he wasn't wearing a bikini. I have no idea what kind of film mr Greengrass may have watched before making this comment, but if there was in it a man in a bikini watching women coming out of the sea in a Prada Suit, it was probably a blue-DVD directed by Lee Tamahori and sold behind the counter in the Hollywood circles, not a Bond movie.

[The Richmond Spy]

Bourne is kind of like University of Florida basketball....sure they've been great lately, but what about history?

[killkenny kid]

Just another case of Bond envy.......yawn.

[DamnCoffee]

Greengrass said: "The Bourne franchise is not about wearing Prada suits and looking at women coming out of the sea with bikinis on. It's about essence and truth, not frippery and surface."

Erm... Yes and Casino Royale was exactly the opposite of that wasn't it Mr. Greengrass?

[Daddy Bond]

Well, I really like the Bourne films, but I disagree with much of Damon's critique of Bond.

But, when it really all comes down to it - it really doesn't ultimately matter.

The Bond films may last a while - but not into eternity - and what REALLY counts is eternity.

[whitesox]

Last time I checked the last Bond movie, there was a man coming out of the sea, not a woman. And he wasn't wearing a bikini. I have no idea what kind of film mr Greengrass may have watched before making this comment, but if there was in it a man in a bikini watching women coming out of the sea in a Prada Suit, it was probably a blue-DVD directed by Lee Tamahori and sold behind the counter in the Hollywood circles, not a Bond movie.

Touch

[Judo chop]

Oh, shut up Damon. For the love of mercy, just shut it.

Shut up, shut up, shut up!

SHUT!

UP!

[Bondian]

Well. There's nothing like free publicity.

Should anyone care what Demon Damon comes out with?. After all, Bourne was born from Bond, and Bond cradle snatches from it's own offspring.

It's just a case of 'pram' and 'rattle'.

[007_Back]

Bourne copied Bond. You know the train scene was like CR and the scenes in Tagier reminded me of TLD.

[marktmurphy]

Dear god. I like both Bourne and Bond, but why you had to be so rude, Mr.Director man and Mister Damon. You're breaking my bond lovin heart

Will it/has it stopped you seeing it? Has it got them some headlines and therefore some more bums on seats? Where's the harm? Don't worry about it.

Bourne copied Bond. You know the train scene was like CR and the scenes in Tagier reminded me of TLD.

Ah, but Bond copied Bourne for CR. But then Bourne copied Bond in the novels... so... does it matter? It's still good and original in its own right. I haven't seen it, but I'm willing to bet that Ultimatum's Tangier chase knocks TLD's one into a cocked hat.

[Safari Suit]

It's hard not to comment on these things without sounding like some silly fanboy in a strop, but that "essence and truth" thing truly baffles me.

[Blonde Bond]

Dear god. I like both Bourne and Bond, but why you had to be so rude, Mr.Director man and Mister Damon. You're breaking my bond lovin heart

Will it/has it stopped you seeing it? Has it got them some headlines and therefore some more bums on seats? Where's the harm? Don't worry about it.

Well, Mr. Mark, if I may call you that (you evil name sharer ) I thought I said that I loved both franchines, and that I was going to see Bourne 3, on it's finnish opening evening, which is tomorrow

So, no. Damon badmouthing Bond franchine doesn't bother me, or make me not want to see the next instalment in this great great trilogy of spy movies.


There's always room for two diffent type of spy flick series. Even if their heroes share the same initials. Bond aint Bourne and Bourne aint Bond, baby!

Edited by Blonde Bond, 16 August 2007 - 07:24 PM.

[Roebuck]

Damon's right. Bond had become anachronistic...not to mention dull. I pray Casino Royale marks just the start of a long awaited turn around (rather than isolated brilliance) but without the Bourne movies we could have seen Eon churning out endless DAD clones untill the franchise finaly ran out of steam.

[stamper]

Matt Damon yesterday used the London premiere of The Bourne Ultimatum to roundly dismiss James Bond as a Martini-sipping imperialist misogynist, the BBC reports.

Damon declared Bond "anachronistic when you put it in the world we live in today" and added insult to injury with: "Bond is an imperialist and a misogynist who kills people and laughs about it, and drinks Martinis and cracks jokes. Bourne is a serial monogamist whose girlfriend is dead and he does nothing but think about her."

Warming to the theme, Damon then concluded that Bourne "doesn't have the support of gadgets, and he feels guilty for what he's done".

Bourne trilogy director Paul Greengrass chipped in with: "The Bourne franchise is not about wearing Prada suits and looking at women coming out of the sea with bikinis on. It's about essence and truth, not frippery and surface."
http://www.theregist...ne_disses_bond/

[DamnCoffee]

Greengrass said: "The Bourne franchise is not about wearing Prada suits and looking at women coming out of the sea with bikinis on. It's about essence and truth, not frippery and surface."

If it wasn't for Bond and that certain scene in 1962, Spy movies wouldn't be as popular as they are today and Bourne wouldn't stand a chance. So if I were Greengrass I would be praising Bond for all of these memrobal scenes that have occured over the past 44 years and for giving Jason Bourne a leg to stand on because afterall, If Fleming didn't pen all those Novels and Cubby an Harry didn't put them on the big screen, Jason Bourne would be dead Hell he wouldn't even exist. Bond is the father of all those successful spy movies out there, so if I were you Mr Greengrass, I wouldn't slam him because you wouldn't have a really good movie called 'The Bourne Ultimatium' under your belt.

[dinovelvet]

Matt Damon yesterday used the London premiere of The Bourne Ultimatum to roundly dismiss James Bond as a Martini-sipping imperialist misogynist, the BBC reports.

Damon declared Bond "anachronistic when you put it in the world we live in today" and added insult to injury with: "Bond is an imperialist and a misogynist who kills people and laughs about it, and drinks Martinis and cracks jokes. Bourne is a serial monogamist whose girlfriend is dead and he does nothing but think about her."

So can anyone confirm that Mr.Damon is an actual human being, or is he one of those dolls who spurts out a programmed phrase when you pull his string? I think this is at least the third time he's said this exact same comment, word for word!

Bourne trilogy director Paul Greengrass chipped in with: "The Bourne franchise is not about wearing Prada suits and looking at women coming out of the sea with bikinis on. It's about essence and truth, not frippery and surface."

Truth and essence? LMAO. Who the hell goes to watch any of these movies because they feel like they're in need of some truth and essence? As far as most of the Bourne audience is concerned, they're about fighting and car chases, you're not filming Chekov here, bub. Up next - Paul Greengrass says the Bourne movies cure cancer!
Anyhoo, these rather silly putdowns, when compared to Daniel Craig's comments about the Bourne series from earlier this week, are a great example of at least one trait Bourne will never have : Class.