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[dinovelvet]

Here's an early still from Bond 22 showing the new 'humourous' Bond

http://justjared.buz...ic=craigy2a.jpg

[Gobi-1]

It's the new gunbarrell walk.

I think poeple of overeacting to Craig's comments. Basically Craig said that the producers want more humor, which in my book is welcome after so many "this time it's personal" films. The Octopussy gags comment I take as Craig saying they were funny, but stupid/silly. The humor in Bond 22 will be a smart/witty type of funny.

[Harmsway]

Basically Craig said that the producers want more humor,

Actually, he didn't say any such thing. Given the interviewer's statement, it seems like he meant that his detractors want more gags.

Q: You managed to make it(the role) your own.
A: We will see.

Q: You've already done it--we don't have to see. And the only contentious issue when you were offered the part was the fact that you're blond.
A: They just want more gags. The next one's going to be a lot funnier.

Q: Octopussy kind of gags?
A: Yeah. Octopussy. Pussy Galore. They're all great names. But that's the thing; all the Bond jokes have been flipped on their heads. They've all gone beyond... Should we order a bit more wine, so I can think straight?

It does sound like he could be entirely facetious.

The Octopussy gags comment I take as Craig saying they were funny, but stupid/silly. The humor in Bond 22 will be a smart/witty type of funny.

Certainly. And that certainly doesn't mean the film will feel more lighthearted. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE had more humor than DR. NO, but it was still the darker film.

[dinovelvet]

Q: You've already done it--we don't have to see. And the only contentious issue when you were offered the part was the fact that you're blond.
A: They just want more gags. The next one's going to be a lot funnier.

Q: Octopussy kind of gags?
A: Yeah. Octopussy. Pussy Galore. They're all great names. But that's the thing; all the Bond jokes have been flipped on their heads. They've all gone beyond... Should we order a bit more wine, so I can think straight?


It does sound like he could be entirely facetious.

OK I think its clear that the reporter and Craig are talking about two different things here. When he says "Octopussy kind of gags?", I think he means Bond in a clown suit, Tarzan yells, "Hiss off", "Sit!", gorilla costume kind of gags, i.e. gags that were featured in the film Octopussy, whereas Craig thinks he means double-entendre name jokes.

[Bondian]

Still sounds like a load of bull.

[Odd Jobbies]

First time i've posted in a while, since we're in that lull between movies.

However, this is worth talking about, since it's so worrying - really is the first seriously bad sign that's issued from Eon since DAD.

This suggests that CR had very little, or no humour. Fact is that CR had plenty of humour, i.e. Bond's reply to Vesper in a car, shortly after meeting her, that his type of women aren't single. it was dry and sardonic, but that's exactly right for Bond - hence the tone of CR was exactly right.

In the past Eon have made Fleming's flamboyant names, such as Octopussy, simply flamboyant and very camp. Whereas in the books their flamboyance has very sinister undertones - it illustrates how much they enjoy their evil deeds, and how proud they are of them.

I'd welcome the continued use of extravagance in name and context if it's with sinister tone. However, Craig's referencing of these names in the cause of increased humour is very disturbing. Fleming obviously got the formula right and he never meant these names to be laughed at, but rather to make his nightmares that much more extravagant and sinister.
It's kind of 'The Brothers Grimm' for 20th century grown ups; 'Rumplestiltskin' is a very silly name, but puts the shivers up you because the Grimm's didn't laugh at him - he was a plain nasty little guy (it's no coincidence that Fleming wrote Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, which is real Grimm territory - it's not that different to Bond - the 'Kiddie Snatcher is a great Bondesque villian - he seems to really enjoy his evil deeds). So my point is, daft names are fine, so long as we're not asked to laugh at them. Austen Powers does that just fine thanks!

Keep'em creepy, like Scaramanga, whom, despite Eon's worst efforts, you just don't laugh at - Christopher Lee's too bloody scary.

Very bad news indeed.

Edit: just read DC's Q&A and perhaps i over reacted - but, Eon you've been warned....

Edited by Odd Jobbies, 17 July 2007 - 10:02 AM.

[Mr_Wint]

In the past Eon have made Fleming's flamboyant names, such as Octopussy, simply flamboyant and very camp. Whereas in the books their flamboyance has very sinister undertones - it illustrates how much they enjoy their evil deeds, and how proud they are of them.

I'd welcome the continued use of extravagance in name and context if it's with sinister tone. However, Craig's referencing of these names in the cause of increased humour is very disturbing. Fleming obviously got the formula right and he never meant these names to be laughed at, but rather to make his nightmares that much more extravagant and sinister.
It's kind of 'The Brothers Grimm' for 20th century grown ups; 'Rumplestiltskin' is a very silly name, but puts the shivers up you because the Grimm's didn't laugh at him - he was a plain nasty little guy. So my point is, daft names are fine, so long as we're not asked to laugh at them, then they become creepy, like Scaramanga (despite Eon efforts you just don't laugh at Christopher Lee - he's too bloody scary).

Rubbish. Can you please explain Fleming's sinister undertones in the name "Octopussy" for me? And how did EON misuse the name Octopussy in the film?

[bogard]

This is great news. One serious Bond movie a decade is quite enough.
Perhaps they should change the beginning:

EON presents
Daniel Craig as Roger Moore's James Bond
in
<insert stupid title>

Great. My "silly" James Bond is back
Tarzan yells please!

[MarcAngeDraco]

Q: You managed to make it(the role) your own.
A: We will see.

Q: You've already done it--we don't have to see. And the only contentious issue when you were offered the part was the fact that you're blond.
A: They just want more gags. The next one's going to be a lot funnier.

Q: Octopussy kind of gags?
A: Yeah. Octopussy. Pussy Galore. They're all great names. But that's the thing; all the Bond jokes have been flipped on their heads. They've all gone beyond... Should we order a bit more wine, so I can think straight?

It does sound like he could be entirely facetious.

I agree. Or maybe I'm just being hopeful...

[00Twelve]

"Lots of laughs" is probably what Dan's having right now at all the fans wringing our hands about this!

[dodge]

"Lots of laughs" is probably what Dan's having right now at all the fans wringing our hands about this!

True. But he's probably wringing his own hands, praying that six months is enough time for Haggis to 'doctor' the scipt.

[Odd Jobbies]

Rubbish. Can you please explain Fleming's sinister undertones in the name "Octopussy" for me? And how did EON misuse the name Octopussy in the film?

Fair enough, the short stories don't have the time for undertones, but i'd hardly call the film as a whole a decent portrayel of the character Bond. Don't recall fleming writing anything that would suggest this character would swing on jungle vines yelling like Tarzen while being chased by villians bent on killing him. The name Octopussy is ok, but in this comic context it may as well be 'Carry On Octopussy'.

My concerns are for overall tone. The films Octopussy and CR are very polorized IMO and any suggestion that we need more 'Octopussy' back is disturbing.

In short, no none of the names have sinister undertones - what i said was that the story, or context provide the undertone - this makes Rumplestiltskin a creepy word, rather than a funny one; because of the context we associate with it. Hence 'Octopussy' is now a totally daft word that we associate with pastiche. Therefore the undertone of the Q&A with DC could be interpreted as Eon wanting more pastiche back (a scary thought). However, it could also be a poor interview that took DC out of context and doesn't mean too much at all.

[dodge]

A word of caution for y'all: Two-bit tabs run by rauncy rats seem to be popping up left and right with distorted versions of the Interview interview--which are quoted as if from interviews they conducted with Craig.

This is the cryptic quote in its entirety:

A: [They just want more gags. The next one's going to be a lot funnier.

Q: Octopussy kind of gags?
A: Yeah. Octopussy. Pussy Galore. They're all great names. But that's the thing; all the Bond jokes have been flipped on their heads.
One misquote I've read states that Craig claimed they plan to flip the Bond jokes on their heads. Do your own interviews, fellas--or at least acknowledge your sources and try to get the darned quotes right!

[DamnCoffee]

Here's an early still from Bond 22 showing the new 'humourous' Bond

http://justjared.buz...ic=craigy2a.jpg

[Mr_Wint]

Fair enough, the short stories don't have the time for undertones, but i'd hardly call the film as a whole a decent portrayel of the character Bond. Don't recall fleming writing anything that would suggest this character would swing on jungle vines yelling like Tarzen while being chased by villians bent on killing him.

True. But Fleming never suggested that James Bond was a dirty, super-trained, McClane-hero before he became "Bond"

[Odd Jobbies]

...At least, dont write "we" when you refer to your own opinion. I consider OP to be a well-made, entertaining, Bondfilm... despite no "sinister undertones".

We apologise

That's certainly an annoying habit of mine.

No disrespect to OP intended - I made my dad take me to see it twice in one week when it was released. Then about 16 years later I arrived in Udaipur, India with my backpack and took a seat in one of the many modest restaurants and was a little shocked when a waiter greeted me with: "My name is Bond, James Bond - may I take your order?" [with a heavy Rajasthan accent].

I hadn't been aware that I was in the town that OP had been shot in. I was then delighted as a big TV played the movie for the customers, as did almost every restaurant in Udaipur every night. I promise you, that night OP was the best Bond film I’d ever seen.

Edited by Odd Jobbies, 18 July 2007 - 08:49 AM.

[TonicBH]

If there has to be humor in the next Bond film, it has to be dry, dark humor. If we start seeing crazy antics and groan-worthy one-liners like in Moore Bond films (or hell, even the last few Brosnan films), that's when I walk out of the theater.

I have nothing AGAINST the Moore Bond films, but that fit because Moore is a comedic actor. Craig really isn't that type.

[sharpshooter]

I dont think the film will go anywhere near the camp humour of Moore with Haggis on board. Humour and laughs dont have to be cringe worthy.

[tdalton]

I dont think the film will go anywhere near the camp humour of Moore with Haggis on board. Humour and laughs dont have to be cringe worthy.

Agreed. I thought that the humor in Casino Royale was, for the most part, pretty good. Although I think that it may be more appropriate for the tone of Bond 22 to be about the same as what we saw in Casino Royale, or perhaps even more serious, but using the type of humor that we saw in CR would be fine with me. But, I don't want to see them going into the Roger Moore type humor. I like that kind of humor fine in Roger's films, there's certainly nothing wrong with it at all, but I'd like to see EON continue what they've started in so far as the tone and realistic approach of this new franchise.

[Leon]

I doubt we will see a sudden return to crummy jokes. Paul Haggis is on the case again and Daniel Craig was excellent at delivering a number of jokes in Casino Royale.

Jokes will likely be subtle and genuinely witty as with CR. I'll wait to see what they do before worrying.

[DaveBond21]

The double-taking pigeon from Moonraker has been approached about starring in Bond 22. He commented yesterday:-

"Yes, it's true. I have been limbering up, and it's time for my neck muscles to grace the big screen once more. I did actually have a cameo in CR, when Bond is running through St Mark's Square, so I am back in the Bond fold once more!!"

[LadySylvia]

Here's an early still from Bond 22 showing the new 'humourous' Bond

http://justjared.buz...ic=craigy2a.jpg

Now that would make an interesting gun barrel sequence. Wouldn't it be odd if they actually used it for BOND 22?

[Bondian]

Maybe they'll throw Jinx back in?.

Jinx "Looks like you have a big one"

Bond "Na. It's my yoyo momma".

Jinx "I'm quite an expert with the yoyo"

Bond "With no strings attached?. Sorry. I prefer Texas Hold-Em Up".

Wasn't there enough humour in Casino Royale?. But do we have to go back to the cancan humour of the past?.

Roger was great at comedy. Why go back to an era without the master.

Cheers,


Ian

[Agent 76]

Roger was great at comedy. Why go back to an era without the master.

"I love a drive in the country. Don't you...? "

I love when Roger's Bond says this in FYEO, and his goofy face to Melina. Hilarious!

[mrsbonds_ppk]

Maybe they'll throw Jinx back in?.

Jinx "Looks like you have a big one"

Bond "Na. It's my yoyo momma".

Jinx "I'm quite an expert with the yoyo"

Bond "With no strings attached?. Sorry. I prefer Texas Hold-Em Up".

Wasn't there enough humour in Casino Royale?. But do we have to go back to the cancan humour of the past?.

Roger was great at comedy. Why go back to an era without the master.

Cheers,


Ian

Nah, I don't feel there was enough humor in CR and humor in the next Bond doesn't have to be the way Moore did it, but your right "why go back to an era without the master".

Roger was great at comedy. Why go back to an era without the master.

"I love a drive in the country. Don't you...? "

I love when Roger's Bond says this in FYEO, and his goofy face to Melina. Hilarious!

lol I love that line too.

[DaveBond21]

Maybe Sheriff Pepper is going to return, played by Will Ferrell?

[Vauxhall]

Maybe Sheriff Pepper is going to return, played by Will Ferrell?

That would be an inspired piece of casting...

[DaveBond21]

Maybe Sheriff Pepper is going to return, played by Will Ferrell?

That would be an inspired piece of casting.

Why thank you, kind sir.

[Bondian]

"I love a drive in the country. Don't you...? "

I love when Roger's Bond says this in FYEO, and his goofy face to Melina. Hilarious!

So do I. Perfectly delivered and fun. At this point in the movie it needed some comedy.

Nah, I don't feel there was enough humor in CR and humor in the next Bond doesn't have to be the way Moore did it, but your right "why go back to an era without the master".

You're probably right. And I doubt if Danny could get away with Roger's kind of comedy.

[DaveBond21]

You're probably right. And I doubt if Danny could get away with Roger's kind of comedy.

Did you see him on the BBC's Comic Relief?