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[stamper]

This a thread for Things that don't make sense in Casino Royale, and perhaps theories and explanations, do not includes visual goofs here.

Here's an example :

1/ If Mollaka is supposed to be originally the terrorist who will make the plane explodes at Miami airport... could someone please tell me how he would have succeeded, with the scarred face and evil look that he as ? Was Demetrios that stupid ?

The next guy picked by Demetrios is one that can vanish into a crowd... Mollaka hardly could have...

2/ Bond catch the same last plane to Miami as Demetrios... so could someone explain how he could not be recognised by Demetrios, as they supposely catch the same plane, wait in the same lounge etc ? Or did Bond catch a private plane (which I doubt, he would have to be on the same plane to follow the guy). There's an easy "ellipsis" in the movie at this point, with things moving very fast to make you conveniently not question this.

[Mr_Wint]

3) Why didn't Le Chiffre torture Mendel to get the money? It must be much easier to get an answer from Mendel compared to a trained 00-agent.

[stamper]

Only the winner will have the code, and Le Chiffre thinks he is going to win. Then I think he tries to get this money in the most "under the radar" form possible, torturing the banker wouldn't help more than hold up a bank. Once Le Chiffre lost, the only way is to extract the money is from Bond.

I don't have problem with that.

[Mr_Wint]

Only the winner will have the code, and Le Chiffre thinks he is going to win. Then I think he tries to get this money in the most "under the radar" form possible, torturing the banker wouldn't help more than hold up a bank. Once Le Chiffre lost, the only way is to extract the money is from Bond.

I don't have problem with that.

They way I see it, Mendel must know the password since he administrate and manage the whole thing. And wouldn't it be better, for a man like Le Chiffre, to avoid the British intelligence as much as possible?

In the book it's different because Bond really has the money, in cash.

[stamper]

But Mendel is I think gone by this time, he was just there at the beginning of the party.

[RazorBlade]

I agree that Le Chiffre still had to get the info from Bond and not Mendel. I don't think Mendel would have had the password anyway. And he could have given a code to Le Chiffre that would have tipped the bank off.

As for how Bond got to Miami without being seen by D, if it were really that important, the filmmakers would have shown it to us.

CR is pretty airtight compared to most movies. Just so you know.

[Trident]

1/ If Mollaka is supposed to be originally the terrorist who will make the plane explodes at Miami airport... could someone please tell me how he would have succeeded, with the scarred face and evil look that he as ? Was Demetrios that stupid ?

The next guy picked by Demetrios is one that can vanish into a crowd... Mollaka hardly could have...

I assumed maybe Mollaka was originally meant as a go-between for Demetrios and the actual person to place the bomb?

[stamper]

Could be but for the fact that the replacement guy goes on to actually place the bomb... I assume this guy is doing Mollaka's job.

[David Schofield]

2/ Bond catch the same last plane to Miami as Demetrios... so could someone explain how he could not be recognised by Demetrios, as they supposely catch the same plane, wait in the same lounge etc ? Or did Bond catch a private plane (which I doubt, he would have to be on the same plane to follow the guy). There's an easy "ellipsis" in the movie at this point, with things moving very fast to make you conveniently not question this.

I don't doubt Demetrios did see Bond on the plane. Have any of you been on the little planes that make th short jaunt from the Bahamas to Miami?

But the again, why should Demetrios REALLY be suspicious, just because Bond humiliated him at cards? His suspicions are instantly aroused subsequently at the Body Works - and he reacts accordingly.

[Mister Asterix]

1/ If Mollaka is supposed to be originally the terrorist who will make the plane explodes at Miami airport... could someone please tell me how he would have succeeded, with the scarred face and evil look that he as ? Was Demetrios that stupid ?

The next guy picked by Demetrios is one that can vanish into a crowd... Mollaka hardly could have...

[mra]Most likely Mollaka had his own plan to exploded the plane; one that didn

[EL7]

Assuming Mollaka wouldn't have gone pretending to be airport security, he could blend in being a average employee at the airport.

[stamper]

He sure would have had problem going thru customs... :-)

[byline]

2/ Bond catch the same last plane to Miami as Demetrios... so could someone explain how he could not be recognised by Demetrios, as they supposely catch the same plane, wait in the same lounge etc ? Or did Bond catch a private plane (which I doubt, he would have to be on the same plane to follow the guy).

I assumed that Demetrios took the last commercial flight going out, but that Bond quickly snagged a private plane and followed him in to Miami.

[dinovelvet]

1/ If Mollaka is supposed to be originally the terrorist who will make the plane explodes at Miami airport... could someone please tell me how he would have succeeded, with the scarred face and evil look that he as ? Was Demetrios that stupid ?

The next guy picked by Demetrios is one that can vanish into a crowd... Mollaka hardly could have...

I assumed maybe Mollaka was originally meant as a go-between for Demetrios and the actual person to place the bomb?

No, Mollaka was supposed to do Carlos' job. Le Chiffre and Demetrios have the conversation about hiring a replacement (Remember, Mollaka gets the text message with ELLIPSIS in it, as he will need that door code at the airport).

What I want to know is how did they get the door code in the first place? Presumably they have someone 'inside' at the airport.

[LadySylvia]

1/ If Mollaka is supposed to be originally the terrorist who will make the plane explodes at Miami airport... could someone please tell me how he would have succeeded, with the scarred face and evil look that he as ? Was Demetrios that stupid ?

The next guy picked by Demetrios is one that can vanish into a crowd... Mollaka hardly could have...

2/ Bond catch the same last plane to Miami as Demetrios... so could someone explain how he could not be recognised by Demetrios, as they supposely catch the same plane, wait in the same lounge etc ? Or did Bond catch a private plane (which I doubt, he would have to be on the same plane to follow the guy). There's an easy "ellipsis" in the movie at this point, with things moving very fast to make you conveniently not question this.

Why would the Miami Airport security assume that Mollaka is a terrorist, because he had a scarred face? He looked no more evil than the rest of the villains or Bond, himself. He could have easily explained that his scar came from being trapped in a fire.

[Vauxhall]

I agree. I see absolutely no problem with Mollaka being able to blend in at the airport. Carlos, presumably already a known terrorist or mercenary, certainly had no problems walking through security alongside Richard Branson!

[dinovelvet]

Actually Mollaka WOULD have had a hard time at the airport. If he was under surveillance by MI6, presumably he'd be on some sort of "watch list" and would be immediately flagged as soon as he tried to get through security at the airport, so maybe Bond should have just let him go in Madagascar and the situation would have taken care of itself

[Binyamin]

Except that Bond didn't know thats what the plan was. He should know better, presumably having read the script.

[Zographos]

Except that Bond didn't know thats what the plan was. He should know better, presumably having read the script.

"Whoa, I'm getting my WHAT beaten on page 80?"

[LadySylvia]

Actually Mollaka WOULD have had a hard time at the airport. If he was under surveillance by MI6, presumably he'd be on some sort of "watch list" and would be immediately flagged as soon as he tried to get through security at the airport, so maybe Bond should have just let him go in Madagascar and the situation would have taken care of itself

Neither Le Chiffre or Dimitrius knew that Mollaka was under surveillance by MI-6 when the latter hired him.

[stamper]

Yes, I just think if I was in Demetrios shoes, I would have hired Carlos in his place straight up, a scarred & scary face is not a way to go invisible without hassle on such a mission.

[pgram]

I think it was a tongue-in-cheek comment on American Airports' inefficient safety measures. They let the bomber go through, but, instead, they went on to search sir Richard Branson. That was the purpose of him being there, apart from just the fun of it.

Imagine you are the script writer and you have to solve the problem: how does the bomber go through safety control? An easy way is to just display their inefficiency. How do you do that? By making them investigate someone who is obviously not a terrorist. Someone well known, perhaps...

Sort of reminds me of an old Kit Kat commercial, where the security man only searches a dear old lady, after letting all kinds of criminals go through...

[Matt_13]

If Le Chiffre wanted to win so bad, couldn't he put the odds at the poker game in his favor? Using one of his own men as a dealer for example...

[MHazard]

I have one: why does Bond bring Vesper with him during the break in the poker game when he goes to LeChiffre's hotel floor, immediately prior to the stairwell fight. He brings his gun with him so he obviously anticipates being in a fight. No reason for Vesper to come with him, particularly if he's hearing strange noises from his bug. Moreover, why is he going to LeChiffre's floor in the first place? What is he trying to accomplish.

As for Matt's question, LeChiffre believes he's the best poker player there is so he doesn't think he needs to cheat and one can assume that the Casino Royale dealers can't be bought. If there was even a chance they could the game wouldn't attract the kind of action LeChiffre needs.

[tdalton]

I have one: why does Bond bring Vesper with him during the break in the poker game when he goes to LeChiffre's hotel floor, immediately prior to the stairwell fight. He brings his gun with him so he obviously anticipates being in a fight. No reason for Vesper to come with him, particularly if he's hearing strange noises from his bug. Moreover, why is he going to LeChiffre's floor in the first place? What is he trying to accomplish.

I never understood why he was going up there, either. The only thing that I can think of is that maybe he needed to get closer to the room for the listening device that he had placed in Le Chiffre's inhaler to work.

I think that he brought Vesper with him, though, so that he could make it appear as though he was up there for something other than spying on Le Chiffre. When he pulls Vesper into the doorway as Obanno and his henchman are leaving, they wouldn't have given him and Vesper a second thought if they hadn't seen his earpiece, but just Bond standing up there alone might have drawn some attention.

[jgw007]

Here is one that seems to be wrong - Mollaka runs to the gate of the nabutu (Sp?) embassy and the guard has the phone in his hand with what looks to be Mollaka's identification - except how COULD it be? He runs up to him and it is alread in the guard's hand!

The only explanation to this is that it is the phone directory for the compound, which seems like a strech - I mean, what no operator? What are those people doing in the main offices then where bond throws Mollaka out the window!?

Sure its picky, but I saw the thread so I figured - why not?

Is it me or is this simply the best movie since From Russia with Love?

[00Twelve]

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[Vauxhall]

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Which particular aspect are you thinking of here?

[dinovelvet]

I have one: why does Bond bring Vesper with him during the break in the poker game when he goes to LeChiffre's hotel floor, immediately prior to the stairwell fight. He brings his gun with him so he obviously anticipates being in a fight. No reason for Vesper to come with him, particularly if he's hearing strange noises from his bug. Moreover, why is he going to LeChiffre's floor in the first place? What is he trying to accomplish.

I never understood why he was going up there, either. The only thing that I can think of is that maybe he needed to get closer to the room for the listening device that he had placed in Le Chiffre's inhaler to work.

I think that he brought Vesper with him, though, so that he could make it appear as though he was up there for something other than spying on Le Chiffre. When he pulls Vesper into the doorway as Obanno and his henchman are leaving, they wouldn't have given him and Vesper a second thought if they hadn't seen his earpiece, but just Bond standing up there alone might have drawn some attention.

Le Chiffre gets a call from Valenka asking him to come up to the room for something important (We know this is what she said because when Le C. sees her he asks "So, what's so important?"). Bond sees him getting this message, and sees Le C. is a bit concerned, so Bond wants to find out what's going on, i.e. maybe its something that will give Bond an edge over Le C.
Yes I think he brought Vesper with him for the sake of appearances. One man lurking around would be suspicious, a couple wandering around, less so.