75 replies to this topic

[PlayItBogart]

Essentially this is the whole Rated/Unrated version of Team America, wherein the only difference between the two is one minute of puppet sex.

It sells, I guess. I wonder if there's a sucker out there who owns both versions.

I thought for a moment that the flaming Smirnoff placement wasn't in the R3 cut, but I rewatched it and it is. I guess it's not as prevalant unless you're watching on the silver screen.

[EyesOnly]

The uncut stairwell version is on Youtube Japanese version! It's been edited with the theme playing in the background...the video isn't that great but gives you an idea how much is cut and it's quite a bit! The uncut version really provides a sense of aw/shock value! Much more brutal looking!

[Gav]

The Region 1 version features shots not in the Region 3 version. But those shots were never supposed to be in the film. They were substitutes for shots they'd been ordered to remove by the MPAA, in order to obtain a PG-13 certificate.

Now I heard the US version was uncut... So what gives?

[Gav]

The stairwell fight is SIGNIFICANTLY edited on the US version. There's no shot of Obanno's henchmen hitting the ground or Obanno crashing into the glass window. Also they cut some shots near the end where Obanno slams Bond into the wall a second time and Bond claps his hands together and starts hammering down on Obanno's back and they shortened the struggle at the bottom of the stairwell when Bond's strangling Obanno while he's going for the gun.

Could this be the MPAA finally tightening up on violence in PG-13 films?

It'll be interesting to see what version of the film Region 2 gets!

All the shots missing from the US version were in the preview screening I saw. Also, the torture scene was totally uncut. I wasnt the only one to see this, cinemas all round the country showed the uncut (i.e. R3) version on preview screenings. Im amazed the BBFC left the rest of the violence uncut, TBH. The edits the MPAA made sound like stuff the BBFC would have done.

The R1 DVD cut is the same as the one seen in US theaters, the PG-13 version.

Forgive me, but how are you so sure?

...the cut version is akward to me at least since the cuts are blatently obvious and even the music's off where that had to remove footage.

Aw man that blows, especially since the music in that scene is a killer cue.

Edited by Gav, 19 March 2007 - 01:24 AM.

[FullMetalJacket]

The uncut stairwell version is on Youtube Japanese version! It's been edited with the theme playing in the background...the video isn't that great but gives you an idea how much is cut and it's quite a bit! The uncut version really provides a sense of aw/shock value! Much more brutal looking!

Link?

[Sir Charles]

I might be a little too paranoid after reading all the posts in this thread, but did the main title theme sound different than the theatrical cut to you? It did to me. More subdued. Much less brass/accents.

[Gav]

Well if you mean the title song in the film vs. the CD version, then yes, its a whole new mix (why do they do this with songs?!). As for film song vs. DVD song, Ive no idea.

[Sir Charles]

It's probably just me.

[Gav]

Well you have to remember that film sound mixes for DVD are not the same as they are in the cinema. To give but one tiny example from many, in the opening scene where we have a wide shot of Bond on the extreme left of the frame and Dryden on the extreme right, at the cinema Dryden's voice came from the right hand side of the front of the cinema. On DVD, this has had had to be mixed down due to the the reduced number of speakers in a home theatre) and his voice now comes from the centre speaker.

This is but one way film soundtracks are altered for DVD release. I wouldnt worry about it, bud.

Can anyone shed any light on my above post please?

[DarkDevil]

I might be a little too paranoid after reading all the posts in this thread, but did the main title theme sound different than the theatrical cut to you? It did to me. More subdued. Much less brass/accents.

I have this same problem. In theaters it was awesomeness loud powerful brass opening, on the DVD it is nothing like that at all. (Still stronger then Rock/other versions in comparisons, but weaker then theaters)

Also the version someone posted here in the Music board, the ripped music from R3, That sounded right like the theater version.

[Gav]

Maybe something is a-foot after all, but without my hearing the R1 DVD I cant say.

[Neil S. Bulk]

The uncut stairwell version is on Youtube Japanese version! It's been edited with the theme playing in the background...the video isn't that great but gives you an idea how much is cut and it's quite a bit! The uncut version really provides a sense of aw/shock value! Much more brutal looking!

Link?

You can see some of it here.

Neil

[DarkDevil]

The uncut stairwell version is on Youtube Japanese version! It's been edited with the theme playing in the background...the video isn't that great but gives you an idea how much is cut and it's quite a bit! The uncut version really provides a sense of aw/shock value! Much more brutal looking!

Link?

You can see some of it here.

Neil

I'm 95% sure I did not see that Scene in theaters. For me, the version on R1 DVD is what I saw in theaters, but other people are saying they saw a different version in the states and the DVD is cut. What's going on?

[Arbogast777]

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the bathroom fight and stairwell fight scenes as seen on the U.S. DVD are not the same as what was shown in theaters in the U.S.

I alluded to it in an earlier post in this thread but I'll just come out and say it - I was given a DVD in December that had "Casino Royale" on it as shot in a U.S. theater with a digital camera, so I was able to compare that side by side, shot by shot, with the just released DVD.

I'm not going off of memory here, they are two different cuts.

[Andrew]

I'm 95% sure I did not see that Scene in theaters. For me, the version on R1 DVD is what I saw in theaters

Same here.

[Arbogast777]

If anybody wants to P.M. me I have two short clips I can send people of both scenes to prove that the theatrical and DVD cuts are different. Note that I will be away from my computer until about 10:15 U.S. Central Time.

The only reason I feel so passionately about this is because in the world of Bond I don't care about the collecting etc, I just like the films and the books. So it grates me that we get a watered down version of one of my favorite films. I hope that seeing that there are differences will cause others to feel the same and (hopefully) get this corrected.

[Andrew]

If anybody wants to P.M. me I have two short clips I can send people of both scenes to prove that the theatrical and DVD cuts are different. Note that I will be away from my computer until about 10:15 U.S. Central Time.

Are you certain that your theatrical cut is from the U.S?

[Arbogast777]

Yep, 100% certain

[DamnCoffee]

If anybody wants to P.M. me I have two short clips I can send people of both scenes to prove that the theatrical and DVD cuts are different.

Could you? that would be great

[EyesOnly]

Fullmetaljacket...sorry I didn't see your post earlier! Here is the think you asked for!

[Matt_13]

Wow, that really is a big difference. Too bad this wasn't the way it was cut on the Region 1 version. This is much darker and grittier, very cool.

[DarkDevil]

If I saw it, I would of noticed the guy being thrown into the window on the stairwell fight. I just have no recollection of that event, and it is perhaps the best part of the fight. I think the scene is a lot better with the uncut version, but I'm positive I did not see it at the 2 New Jersey theaters in which I went.

[Tiin007]

If I saw it, I would of noticed the guy being thrown into the window on the stairwell fight. I just have no recollection of that event, and it is perhaps the best part of the fight. I think the scene is a lot better with the uncut version, but I'm positive I did not see it at the 2 New Jersey theaters in which I went.

Same here. The U.S. DVD is the same version as shown in U.S. theaters. The reason some people are getting confused might be because before the film came out, clips of the stairwell fight popped up online. It's possible that these people saw those clips one too many times, and subconsciously convinced themselves that that is what they saw in theaters (when they had probably seen the movie less in theaters than they had seen that clip online). If this isn't what happened, then maybe people are just remembering it incorrectly. Whatever the case, the window part was not shown in U.S. theaters because the movie needed a PG-13 rating.

[Neil S. Bulk]

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the bathroom fight and stairwell fight scenes as seen on the U.S. DVD are not the same as what was shown in theaters in the U.S.

The DVD is what was shown in theaters.

I alluded to it in an earlier post in this thread but I'll just come out and say it - I was given a DVD in December that had "Casino Royale" on it as shot in a U.S. theater with a digital camera, so I was able to compare that side by side, shot by shot, with the just released DVD.

I'm going to trust my memory (9 viewings start to finish and viewing scenes multiple times, I was a projectionist until recently) versus a bootleg of questionable origin.

As a projectionist I built 3 prints of the movie and viewed them all several times plus a trip to New York City to see it at the Ziegfeld.

Neil

Edited by Neil S. Bulk, 21 March 2007 - 02:31 AM.

[stamper]

Hey, rather than engaging in a forum fight, perhaps you guys should just put there the theory that maybe both cuts were released in the US theaters ?

[Sigma7]

I hope the DVD we get is uncut, i also have an *ahem* copy which is uncut, but im going to buy it as soon as its released (R2)

[sharpshooter]

Hope the Region 4 DVD will be as I saw in the cinemas.

[DaveBond21]

The region 4 DVD has both the PTS and stairwell fight in tact as it was in theatres with none of the cuts of the US version.


However, I have noticed 2 potential - cuts (warning major spoilers):-


- missing shot of drinks being carried over the gambling table

- Mr White retrieving briefcase from water

- Vesper's underwater kiss with Bond and death seem shorter.


Can anyone tell me if there is a running time difference between regional DVDs and the theatrical release?

Thanks.

[Royal Dalton]

The European and Aussie discs are encoded for PAL displays, and run at 25 frames per second, so they're 4% shorter than the theatrical running time.

[Harmsway]

However, I have noticed 2 potential - cuts (warning major spoilers):-


- missing shot of drinks being carried over the gambling table

- Mr White retrieving briefcase from water

- Vesper's underwater kiss with Bond and death seem shorter.

None of those were in any theatrical cut, I believe. And I think your imagining the Vesper seen was longer is probably just faulty memory - things can seem longer or shorter, depending (and the fact that PAL speeds up a film so that it's 4% shorter).

As for the US PG-13 cut missing all those scenes - the Region 1 DVD is the US DVD cut. I noticed most of those talked about cuts and edits (ala stairway fight) in the film as I was watching the film for the first time, since I had seen clips of the unedited versions before I saw the film in its entirety. Many of us watched the clip of the stairway fight before the film was released - well, that clip was the unedited version. That may be where a lot of the confusion lies.