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[Gobi-1]

Roger Moore will protect me.

With protection like that you might as well just give up and wait for the inevitable end to come....

Now if you had Connery, Dalton, Craig, or Lazenby protecting you you could definitely rest easy!

Roger's got more power in his eyebrow then all those guys combined.

[Moore Not Less]

OHMSS

It appears that much of the high regard afforded to OHMSS is due to it's loyalty to Fleming's novel. That's not enough for me, I'm afraid. Not that being loyal to Fleming is bad in any way, it's actually good.

But you have to believe what you see on the screen. And for the most part I don't believe in George Lazenby as Bond. It's not just George though. The Piz Gloria sequence is too long and dull for the most part. It's not until Bond's cover as Sir Hilary is blown that the sequence comes alive. Fight scenes are sped up to the point where they resemble cartoons, which goes against the prime reason for Lazenby's casting as Bond. The montage sequence makes me cringe, but not Louis Armstrong's wonderful rendition of All The Time In The World. And Diana Rigg is not as Emmappealing in terms of her acting and sexiness as she was in The Avengers.

The two elements of OHMSS that are truly worthy of high regard are the excellent ski chase sequences and John Barry's superb score. An honourable mention for Telly Savalas who brings considerably more menace, physicality and believability to the role of Ernst Stavro Blofeld than either Donald Pleasance of Charles Gray.

[Double-Oh-Zero]

For Your Eyes Only - ...Has anybody screamed with holy outrage over the faux-Blofeld's line "I'll buy you a delicatessen?".

Yes.

The mountain climbing sequence was exciting.

Yep, and that's about all it had going for it.

Goldeneye - Nice try. An "A-for-effort" movie. The Dam Dive is iconic; the action is pretty good; Famke is brilliant - she's easily having the most fun in the movie; Brosnan's performance is earnest (but he just doesn't have the gravitas).

Agreed. Aside from Sean Bean (who I really liked), everyone in this film seems to have an air of "Look at us, we're in a Bond fillum!" attitude about them, especially Brosnan. "Audience-safe" Bond film; throw in some guns n' 'splosions and gadgets and nice birds and everyone's happy.

Thanks for listening...

Thanks for posting. I haven't been visiting the board as regularly as I used to, but I always enjoy reading such rich posts from new members.

Anyway, I tend to think of For Your Eyes Only as the most overrated Bond film. Nice action scenes, and amusing bit with the chap getting an arrow in his back in the swimming pool, but on the whole...bit forgettable, no? Some stuff with Greeks and a talking parrot on a boat...ski chase...two car chases...Moore kicks a car over the cliff (the redeeming moment of the film if there was one; Moore fans now have a reason to claim that he WAS a ruthless bastard, as a matter of fact)...mountain-climbing bit...Lector/ATAC/typewriter thing gets chucked over a cliff, rendering the film that much more unfulfilling...and then the long-overdue end.

Admittedly, it's been a few years since I've seen it all the way through, but I suppose that's for a reason. Perhaps I'll give the Ultimate DVD a spin this weekend.

[bond 16.05.72]

GE it's go to be, I admit I don't like PB but GE is not vintage Bond, I remember waiting for GE and after 6 years I got a Bond film which didn't feel like a Bond film, I don't think it knew what it wanted to be, a real hybrid of RM & TD's Bond.

With Dalton who it was originally written for it may well of clicked but it 's GE for me.

Then I's have to say considering I Don't here much love for any other PB movies on the same scale, GF yes it'a a classic but it's a considerable drop on FRWL in my view.

GF was the start of all the silliness and OTT plots, I prefer my Bond more grounded and the OTT one's were better with Moore, DN, FRWL & even TB seem more plausible.

[Fiona Volpe lover]

I'm going to go with Goldfinger. Yes,I know it's got ingredients like the Aston Martin,Oddjob,the golden girl,etc, which are iconic,but I don't think the film's that great. Little action {think about it-pre-credits,Aston Martin chase,Fort Knox,plan,that's it!}little tension until the Fort Knox sequence,generally so-so performances,an overly repetitious score {I love John Barry and but the score is one of his weakest Bond efforts IMO},Bond spends half the film as a captive,and I always hated the Bond 'turning' Pussy Galore scene-it seems like rape to me!

After that I would say the next three most overrated Bond filma are
The Spy Who Loved Me {partly because it's a mediocre rehash of my favourite You Only Live Twice],Goldeneye {self-awareness in Bond films actually began with Thunderball} and Licence To Kill {doesn't seem like Bond}.

As for Casino Royale,I'm not sure,I certainly adored it at the cinema.

Edited by Fiona Volpe lover, 17 February 2007 - 07:49 PM.

[Tiin007]

Licence to Kill is easily the most overrated Bond film. I don't understand why everyone treats it like a god. There are only two things that I particularly liked about it:

1) Dalton
2) Hemingway House scene

Other than that, there really wasn't anything special about it.

[Zorin Industries]

GOLDENEYE. Enough said. Well, apart from after the longest cessation in the film's history is that really where we all wanted BOND to end up....?

[Scottlee]

You Only Live Twice. Yeah it's a classic, but take away Barry's score and the wonderful cinematography, and you're not left with too much to talk about. My least favourite Connery film. I even prefer DAF.

[dinovelvet]

GOLDENEYE. I have no idea why this movie is so highly regarded, I'm going to guess that a lot of younger generation Bond fans are associating it with the groundbreaking and classic videogame. Brosnan gives his worst Bond performance in it, IMHO. He seems to be trying too hard to come across as Bond-like; he's much better in TND because he's more natural and easy-going. Anyway, I find the pacing to be way off. After the PTS, nothing much interesting happens for an hour, and Bond barely does anything except struggle to open a glass door I also find Xenia Onatopp to be the most embarrassing and cringe-worthy character in the entire series, its just a misguided attempt at a 90s 'empowered' woman crossed with a 13 year old's kinky fantasy. The alleged fantastic tank chase scene is as dull as it gets...yay, look at the tank crash through something in spectacular fashion - now repeat that 20 times
The score is completely inappropriate for a Bond film; I appreciate that they were trying something new, but it failed. The overall dull, grey look of the film doesn't help either. I was so amazed that Martin Campbell went on to direct CR, I couldn't believe it was the same director, what a much better, energetic, well-paced and stylish film that was.
Come to think of it, I can't really sit through THUNDERBALL without getting bored, but at least that has Connery at the top of his game, versus Brosnan having not found his game yet (if he ever did find any kind of game, that is - Booyah! )

[Safari Suit]

I also find Xenia Onatopp to be the most embarrassing and cringe-worthy character in the entire series, its just a misguided attempt at a 90s 'empowered' woman crossed with a 13 year old's kinky fantasy.

I agree with you 100% there.

[supernova]

All those horrible, ridiculous CGIs in DAD - they were sooo bad it was embarassing! Casino Royale is by far and away the BEST Bond movie. But I've got a feeling Craig in the lead part means the franchise is just going to get better.

[RazorBlade]

You Only Live Twice. Yeah it's a classic, but take away Barry's score and the wonderful cinematography, and you're not left with too much to talk about. My least favourite Connery film. I even prefer DAF.

Here's the rub, music and cinematography are prime ingredents in a film. Start taking out the elements that make a film the film it is and you have an unfinished film, not an inferior film.

It's like you lose a footrace and say you would have won if the winner had been slower. Natch. But it doesn't tell us why the footrace went the way it did or why a film is inferior.

[CM007]

Without doubt the most overrated Bond Film has got to be Casino Royale....

From the Fantastic PTS it just becomes a forumlatic action movie with some of the most over the top action scenes...with Bond jumping from Crane to Crane,then running through a cardboard wall like the Terminator.Also Bond becomes a superhero with Jumping onto a moving Tanker,then to falling off it,Rolling along the Ground missing another vehicle to then suddenly getting on his feet again and running after the same Tanker and dodging bullets at the same time,to then doing a summersault into the passenger seat and then engages in fighting...
Not only that but the movies has a love story that

Edited by CM007, 24 February 2007 - 05:12 PM.

[FLEMINGFAN]

As a big bloated film full of redundancies and way over-praised,I will have to go with CASINO ROYALE.

(Also consider GOLDFINGER and THE SPY WHO LOVED ME the same. Others, like THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS and ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE, could not be consider overrated as they are not really considered highly-rated in the general concensus, and I am assuming that is what we are to form our opinion against)

Edited by FLEMINGFAN, 24 February 2007 - 08:16 PM.

[ChronoBreak]

Still gotta go with The Spy Who Loved Me. Not a bad film, but nowhere near my favorite Roger Moore Bond outing.

1) Weakest villain in the series. Stromberg just looks menacing and pushes buttons.

2) I really loathe the character of Jaws - He's little more than a live action Looney Tune.

3) Hamlisch's music is often terrible (but has its moments).

4) Finale in the Liparus goes on forever (Lewis Gilbert syndrome).

[RazorBlade]

[quote name='CM007' post='705585' date='24 February 2007 - 17:11']Without doubt the most overrated Bond Film has got to be Casino Royale....

From the Fantastic PTS it just becomes a forumlatic action movie with some of the most over the top action scenes...with Bond jumping from Crane to Crane,then running through a cardboard wall like the Terminator.Also Bond becomes a superhero with Jumping onto a moving Tanker,then to falling off it,Rolling along the Ground missing another vehicle to then suddenly getting on his feet again and running after the same Tanker and dodging bullets at the same time,to then doing a summersault into the passenger seat and then engages in fighting...
Not only that but the movies has a love story that

[CM007]

[quote name='RazorBlade' post='705601' date='24 February 2007 - 19:24'][quote name='CM007' post='705585' date='24 February 2007 - 17:11']Without doubt the most overrated Bond Film has got to be Casino Royale....

From the Fantastic PTS it just becomes a forumlatic action movie with some of the most over the top action scenes...with Bond jumping from Crane to Crane,then running through a cardboard wall like the Terminator.Also Bond becomes a superhero with Jumping onto a moving Tanker,then to falling off it,Rolling along the Ground missing another vehicle to then suddenly getting on his feet again and running after the same Tanker and dodging bullets at the same time,to then doing a summersault into the passenger seat and then engages in fighting...
Not only that but the movies has a love story that

[PrinceKamalKhan]

[quote name='CM007' post='705585' date='24 February 2007 - 11:11']Without doubt the most overrated Bond Film has got to be Casino Royale....

From the Fantastic PTS it just becomes a forumlatic action movie with some of the most over the top action scenes...with Bond jumping from Crane to Crane,then running through a cardboard wall like the Terminator.Also Bond becomes a superhero with Jumping onto a moving Tanker,then to falling off it,Rolling along the Ground missing another vehicle to then suddenly getting on his feet again and running after the same Tanker and dodging bullets at the same time,to then doing a summersault into the passenger seat and then engages in fighting...
Not only that but the movies has a love story that

[bill007]

CM007: "But due to Fanboyism it

[ChronoBreak]

I have great trouble understanding how some fans who dislike the very-similar-to-TSWLM-films MR and YOLT still manage to like TSWLM but to each his own.

Same here, especially since I count YOLT as one of my top five Bond films yet I've never been too impressed with TSWLM, which is often cited as the superior film. Bond fans are a complex bunch.

[CM007]

[quote name='bill007' post='705626' date='24 February 2007 - 20:32']CM007: "But due to Fanboyism it

[dinovelvet]

[quote name='CM007' post='705641' date='24 February 2007 - 12:37']As for CR Box Office...Well all I can say is that it didn

[bebopfoot]

I find Goldfinger to be one of the best bond movies, while most overrated is easily a tie of OHMSS and CR, two big and bloated, long and boring, and badly acted pieces of poop.

[dinovelvet]

I find Goldfinger to be one of the best bond movies, while most overrated is easily a tie of OHMSS and CR, two big and bloated, long and boring, and badly acted pieces of poop.

All the intellectuals are coming out of the woodwork this morning...

[ChronoBreak]

[quote name='dinovelvet' post='705645' date='24 February 2007 - 12:45'][quote name='CM007' post='705641' date='24 February 2007 - 12:37']As for CR Box Office...Well all I can say is that it didn

[bill007]

OK. Lay off CM007. He's seen CR several times. Looked through the veil, and for him, it's over rated. He's not a hidden DCinB'er, and has stated so several times in other posts.

Moving on.....

[Qwerty]

[quote name='CM007' post='705641' date='24 February 2007 - 15:37']As for CR Box Office...Well all I can say is that it didn

[Bon-san]

I'll be so glad when a new Bond movie is released so I can stop having to wade through all the debates about how big Casino Royale's phallus is.

[CM007]

[quote name='dinovelvet' post='705645' date='24 February 2007 - 21:45'][quote name='CM007' post='705641' date='24 February 2007 - 12:37']As for CR Box Office...Well all I can say is that it didn

[ChronoBreak]

[quote name='CM007' post='705876' date='25 February 2007 - 00:15'][quote name='ChronoBreak' post='705651' date='24 February 2007 - 22:11'][quote

LOL, indeed. I'm completely mystified as to how anyone could make that claim without having been in orbit or otherwise disengaged during November and December.[/quote]

Again what was CR competition....Happy Feet,Deja Vu....Yeah real big Blockbuster movies....
[/quote]

Happy Feet Gross (U.S.): $194 million
Casino Royale Gross (U.S.): $166 million

A sizeable blockbuster, and sizeable competition for 007. HF also held Casino Royale at bay repeatedly from the #1 and #2 slots over the first couple of weeks aswell.

Edited by ChronoBreak, 25 February 2007 - 08:37 AM.