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[bond 16.05.72]

I personally don't think CR is overrated but I do think GF is but thats me.

While I do find CASINO ROYALE a little bit overrated (not much, but a bit), I completely agree with you on GOLDFINGER, which is not only the most overrated film in the franchise, but also amongst the worst (although it will never rival the absolute awfulness of THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN).

I think Goldfinger is somewhat overrated. I do like the movie, but I don't get why people think it's so great (and I really don't get why people tend to like Pussy Galore so much).


As far as Dracula goes, I've always been fond of the bald, rat-like appearance he had in Nosferatu.

That is by far for me the most disturbing looking version of Dracula though not officially both Kinski's and Schreck's take are the most nightmarish to date they certainly don't make me giggle like whenever I see Lee's much cliched version.

[HH007]

I actually have a figurine of the Schreck Nosferatu. As for Gary Oldman, I think what makes him seem like a "true" version of Dracula is that for the movie they actually gave him a backstory that was simular to the real life Dracula, Vlad Tepes... aka Vlad the Impaler... aka Vlad Dracula. (I think they should do a movie on him, he was a real nasty bugger)

[Harmsway]

It's not perfect, and it's certainly no "Batman Begins" but compared to several Bond films it's a bloody classic.

Actually, it is no "Batman Begins", I think it's a much better movie than "Batman Begins". I thought BB just went dead in the second half, and the action scenes were horribly edited to boot.

I disagree, but we're all entitled to our own opinions Lets play nice.

I'm a BATMAN BEGINS fan and a die-hard Batman fan in general, but I have to give it to CASINO ROYALE here. Despite being the best of the Bat-films, BATMAN BEGINS is seriously flawed, and an inferior product to CASINO ROYALE.

We'll see how THE DARK KNIGHT stacks up. I've got quite high hopes. Word from Nolan's screening of his director's cut of the film is that the film is phenomenal.

[6Joker9]

It's not perfect, and it's certainly no "Batman Begins" but compared to several Bond films it's a bloody classic.

Actually, it is no "Batman Begins", I think it's a much better movie than "Batman Begins". I thought BB just went dead in the second half, and the action scenes were horribly edited to boot.

I disagree, but we're all entitled to our own opinions Lets play nice.

I'm a BATMAN BEGINS fan and a die-hard Batman fan in general, but I have to give it to CASINO ROYALE here. Despite being the best of the Bat-films, BATMAN BEGINS is seriously flawed, and an inferior product to CASINO ROYALE.

We'll see how THE DARK KNIGHT stacks up. I've got quite high hopes. Word from Nolan's screening of his director's cut of the film is that the film is phenomenal.

While I wouldn

[HH007]

[quote name='6Joker9' post='852737' date='22 March 2008 - 19:17'][quote name='Harmsway' post='852716' date='22 March 2008 - 14:07'][quote name='craigbegins' post='852506' date='21 March 2008 - 18:10'][quote name='HH007' post='852107' date='20 March 2008 - 16:31'][quote name='craigbegins' post='852104' date='20 March 2008 - 16:28']It's not perfect, and it's certainly no "Batman Begins" but compared to several Bond films it's a bloody classic.[/quote]
Actually, it is no "Batman Begins", I think it's a much better movie than "Batman Begins". I thought BB just went dead in the second half, and the action scenes were horribly edited to boot.[/quote]
I disagree, but we're all entitled to our own opinions Lets play nice.[/quote]
I'm a BATMAN BEGINS fan and a die-hard Batman fan in general, but I have to give it to CASINO ROYALE here. Despite being the best of the Bat-films, BATMAN BEGINS is seriously flawed, and an inferior product to CASINO ROYALE.

We'll see how THE DARK KNIGHT stacks up. I've got quite high hopes. Word from Nolan's screening of his director's cut of the film is that the film is phenomenal.
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While I wouldn

[kneelbeforezod]

Word from Nolan's screening of his director's cut of the film is that the film is phenomenal.

Where did you hear that? Or can't you say? I really can't wait for that bloody film!

[6Joker9]

Word from Nolan's screening of his director's cut of the film is that the film is phenomenal.

Where did you hear that? Or can't you say? I really can't wait for that bloody film!

http://www.batman-on...DK_3-20-08.html

[kneelbeforezod]

Word from Nolan's screening of his director's cut of the film is that the film is phenomenal.

Where did you hear that? Or can't you say? I really can't wait for that bloody film!

http://www.batman-on...DK_3-20-08.html

fascinating, thankyou for that!

[Harmsway]

[quote name='6Joker9' post='852737' date='22 March 2008 - 14:17']While I wouldn

[Monkeyfoahead]

No. the hype is well deserved by a great film, which Casino Royale happens to be, by the way.

[BoogieBond]

Agreed. Aside from the plot and character, it was great to see Bond running flat out after Mollaka in the Madagascar sequence. It really cemented for me Craig's Bond as a man of action

[Loomis]

After a promising set-up and development, BATMAN BEGINS descends into dull standard action movie hijinks for its final third. It could have been much better if the finale had a bit more originality than the standard "doomsday countdown" approach.

Precisely my view of BATMAN BEGINS (although I like it rather less than you do). Starts off with a lot of originality (e.g. the Chinese backdrop and the concept of a dirty, dirt-poor, Bruce Wayne in prison [things that as far as I know are as common as muck in the comics, but are certainly novel and refreshing as far as the film series goes]) and plenty of interesting Character-Based Stuff™, but just peters out into so much standard issue superhero movie action nonsense.* You won't agree with this, but I find it, like T3 (a much worse film, BTW), surprisingly unimpressive on a visual level - Cameronesque "wow" visuals might have saved those "dull standard action movie hijinks". It's a film I've really wanted to like, but the final third just loses me.

What exactly gives you grounds to expect THE DARK KNIGHT to be a far superior film?

*Indeed, it's rather like DIE ANOTHER DAY, innit? Strong, atmospheric beginning with bearded and bedraggled hero, who's usually a dapper fellow, in an east Asian prison, but ends up with cartoonish antics involving supervillains with ludicrous hi-tech weapons.

[Harmsway]

What exactly gives you grounds to expect THE DARK KNIGHT to be a far superior film?

Well, all the insider information has led me to expect something of a much higher quality all-around.

[Loomis]

You mean the CASINO ROYALE to BATMAN BEGINS' GOLDENEYE? Note I don't say the CASINO ROYALE to BATMAN BEGINS' DIE ANOTHER DAY.

If THE DARK KNIGHT is as good as you say it should be, I'm in. Must say, though, that I'm not all that blown away by what little footage we've seen to date. However, I'll reserve judgement till I'm sitting there watching the finished flick unspool.

[Mr. Blofeld]

If THE DARK KNIGHT is as good as you say it should be, I'm in. Must say, though, that I'm not all that blown away by what little footage we've seen to date. However, I'll reserve judgement till I'm sitting there watching the finished flick unspool.

Well, it looks to me that Ledger's Joker may be the best of all; I saw the teaser trailer and nearly crapped my pants.

[Harmsway]

You mean the CASINO ROYALE to BATMAN BEGINS' GOLDENEYE?

Something like that, yeah.

If THE DARK KNIGHT is as good as you say it should be, I'm in.

Hopefully it will be. If it's not, they've really mucked it up, because all the elements are there.

[Mr. Blofeld]

If THE DARK KNIGHT is as good as you say it should be, I'm in.

Hopefully it will be. If it's not, they've really mucked it up, because all the elements are there.

Yes, I hope so, too...

[coco1997]

If THE DARK KNIGHT is as good as you say it should be, I'm in.

Hopefully it will be. If it's not, they've really mucked it up, because all the elements are there.

Yes, I hope so, too...

Why shouldn't it be? The first sequel for every superhero series so far has always been great, and usually an improvement over the original. Take a look:

Superman II > Superman
Batman Returns = Batman
X2: X-Men United > X-Men
Spider-Man 2 > Spider-Man
Heck, even Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was better than the original.

Granted, these are just my opinions. But going by some of the track records of some of the superhero series that have gone before the new Batman series, history is definitely on its side.

Can't say the same about the third films (Superman III, Batman Forever, X3: The Last Stand, Spider-Man 3) but we'll have to wait and see...

Edited by coco1997, 26 March 2008 - 01:16 AM.

[Harmsway]

Superman II > Superman

I've always thought SUPERMAN II is an awful film that's an absolute disgrace to the character. Ugh.

[coco1997]

Superman II > Superman

I've always thought SUPERMAN II is an awful film that's an absolute disgrace to the character. Ugh.

Really? I can only assume you can't have many pretty things to say about Superman III and The Quest for Peace.

[Harmsway]

Superman II > Superman

I've always thought SUPERMAN II is an awful film that's an absolute disgrace to the character. Ugh.

Really?

It's not a rare opinion.

I can only assume you can't have many pretty things to say about Superman III and The Quest for Peace.

They're pretty dire.

[coco1997]

Superman II > Superman

I've always thought SUPERMAN II is an awful film that's an absolute disgrace to the character. Ugh.

Really?

It's not a rare opinion.

I can only assume you can't have many pretty things to say about Superman III and The Quest for Peace.

They're pretty dire.

Wasn't aware of that. What do you think of Batman Returns and Superman Returns, Harmsway?

[Harmsway]

Wasn't aware of that.

Really? SUPERMAN II is constantly maligned for being humorous to the point of undermining the character, nonsensical, and a shoddy continuation of what Donner started.

What do you think of Batman Returns and Superman Returns, Harmsway?

Like 'em both, though neither of them are anywhere close to perfect.

[HH007]

Wasn't aware of that.

Really? SUPERMAN II is constantly maligned for being humorous to the point of undermining the character, nonsensical, and a shoddy continuation of what Donner started.

What do you think of Batman Returns and Superman Returns, Harmsway?

Like 'em both, though neither of them are anywhere close to perfect.

Have you seen Donner's version of Superman II?

[Judo chop]

Wasn't aware of that.

Really? SUPERMAN II is constantly maligned for being humorous to the point of undermining the character, nonsensical, and a shoddy continuation of what Donner started.

What do you think of Batman Returns and Superman Returns, Harmsway?

Like 'em both, though neither of them are anywhere close to perfect.

Have you seen Donner's version of Superman II?

I have. (Posted a humble review of it somewhere around here.) The bottom line is that I had my expectations way too high for this TOTALLY REVAMPED REWORKED ORIGINAL VISION OF DONNER'S!!! I thought it was better than the theatrical in a few ways, there was just too much crap littering Supe II for any 'edition' to be able to save it.

I'm with Harms. Superman I is an absolute classic, honestly dedicated to the character and is both epic and emotionally touching making for quite a nice film on its own merit. Superman II is $0.50 beers every Tuesday night at your local comedy club. Most of the time it's just painful to watch. Reeve does his best with what's given, but having said that, they might as well have added a scene in which Superman gives Luther a wedgie (then majestically crosses his arms).

III (and IV???) don't get to be mentioned in the same breath.

'Returns' was ok. It had the dedication of the first, but without the charm. For me, at least.

[Harmsway]

I have. (Posted a humble review of it somewhere around here.) The bottom line is that I had my expectations way too high for this TOTALLY REVAMPED REWORKED ORIGINAL VISION OF DONNER'S!!! I thought it was better than the theatrical in a few ways, there was just too much crap littering Supe II for any 'edition' to be able to save it.

Yeah, that's pretty much my evaluation of it, as well.

[Colossus]

Superman: The Movie is the greatest comic book movie ever made. A classic in every sense of the word.

Superman II i used to like more but, now not as much, still it's good. The versions i would rank would be: Donner's 1980>Lesters 1980>Donner's 2006.

Yep it doesn't exist, but if Donner would have completed it as he wanted it, it would have been better than the two existing versions today.

I have a soft spot for Superman III because it contains my 2nd favorite scene in the series (behind the Supes reaciton to Lois' death) and that's the junkyard fight between Evil Supes and Good Supes. In fact that whole Evil Superman storyline was great. Him getting drunk and breaking bottles by flinging the peanuts, AWESOME!

"WHATTYA LOOKIN AT?!"

As for IV, well the less said about this the better, to paraphrase Reeve himself.

Edited by Colossus, 26 March 2008 - 03:50 AM.

[Harmsway]

Superman: The Movie is the greatest comic book movie ever made. A classic in every sense of the word.

It's certainly a classic in terms of its place in movie history, but I've never been a huge fan. I think it's still pretty flawed. Like many other superhero films, it starts off well and then finishes in a less-than-stellar fashion. And it's all a bit too campy.

As far as I'm concerned, we haven't yet had a truly great comic book movie. They certainly have a good shot at it with WATCHMEN (rightfully named by Time magazine as one of the greatest novels of the last hundred years), but given that Zack Snyder is the man behind the camera, I'm more than a little skeptical about that one.

[Royal Dalton]

Donner only has himself to blame for not finishing Superman II back in 1979.

That said, the 2006 Donner Cut still should have been ten times better than it is now. The screen test footage aside, there was enough extant Donner material to have done justice to it. Bad editing did that one in. Shame Stuart Baird couldn't have had some input when they were recutting the footage. But I think he was busy on another film at the time. Some flick about a spy with blonde hair, or something?

[Colossus]

Certainly Superman: The Movie is not without its flaws, but it comes closest to perfection amongst its genre!