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[6Joker9]

The dialogue is a problem ("Gentlemen, it's time to spread the word, and the word is... panic" ), but I don't think that's BATMAN BEGINS' main issue. After a promising set-up and development, BATMAN BEGINS descends into dull standard action movie hijinks for its final third. It could have been much better if the finale had a bit more originality than the standard "doomsday countdown" approach.

I actually still find the dialogue a far more considerable flaw, and one that I would point out was the main problem of the climax as well (I never minded the McGuffin of the microwave emitter nor the approach taken). Mind you, I wouldn

[HH007]

I think part of Batman Begins problem is that indeed David Goyer is not a very good writer (he's an even worse director), and the first draft of the script (much of which is in the film), was entirely his, as I understand it.

[Harmsway]

I actually still find the dialogue a far more considerable flaw, and one that I would point out was the main problem of the climax as well (I never minded the McGuffin of the microwave emitter nor the approach taken).

The main problem of the climax wasn't, IMO, the dialogue. The dialogue was poor, but what kills the climax is a boring action sequence and a boring doomsday plot. And we have good set-up, too. We have Wayne manor razed to the ground, and we have the Narrows plunged into a state of chaos. It definitely raises the stakes... and then we get a dull train chase, full of the cliche. Doesn't really cut it.

I'm quite thankful that THE DARK KNIGHT is avoiding the "doomsday plot" route.

[HH007]

I actually still find the dialogue a far more considerable flaw, and one that I would point out was the main problem of the climax as well (I never minded the McGuffin of the microwave emitter nor the approach taken).

The main problem of the climax wasn't, IMO, the dialogue. The dialogue was poor, but what kills the climax is a boring action sequence and a boring doomsday plot. And we have good set-up, too. We have Wayne manor razed to the ground, and we have the Narrows plunged into a state of chaos. It definitely raises the stakes... and then we get a dull train chase, full of the cliche. Doesn't really cut it.

I'm quite thankful that THE DARK KNIGHT is avoiding the "doomsday plot" route.

I hope in THE DARK KNIGHT, Nolan will at least let us see the action, instead of editing it into a blur like he did in BB.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I actually still find the dialogue a far more considerable flaw, and one that I would point out was the main problem of the climax as well (I never minded the McGuffin of the microwave emitter nor the approach taken).

The main problem of the climax wasn't, IMO, the dialogue. The dialogue was poor, but what kills the climax is a boring action sequence and a boring doomsday plot. And we have good set-up, too. We have Wayne manor razed to the ground, and we have the Narrows plunged into a state of chaos. It definitely raises the stakes... and then we get a dull train chase, full of the cliche. Doesn't really cut it.

I'm quite thankful that THE DARK KNIGHT is avoiding the "doomsday plot" route.

I hope in THE DARK KNIGHT, Nolan will at least let us see the action, instead of editing it into a blur like he did in BB.

I didn't really like Batman Begins, so that put me off Nolan movies for a while, but then I went and saw The Prestige and thought it was fantastic, so I'm eagerly anticipating The Dark Knight.

[Harmsway]

I hope in THE DARK KNIGHT, Nolan will at least let us see the action, instead of editing it into a blur like he did in BB.

This is an oft-cited complaint about the action in BEGINS, and while I think it's problematic in a few spots, I think it works brilliantly in others. The scene at the docks is the highlight of cinematic Batman for me. I can't speak to how the fist-fights will be edited in THE DARK KNIGHT. I hear that it's basically the same approach, but a little more comprehensible. That said, I gather that what action is present will be more of the vehicular variety, given that there are no squads of ninjas running about.

What THE DARK KNIGHT trailer does effectively demonstrate, though, is that there'll be a bit more of a wow factor with the action. The shots of Batman crashing into the car hood, or the huge truck flipping over, or Batman's spin out on the bike - there's a good deal of flashiness to that. There wasn't much like that in BEGINS.

[HH007]

I wonder what Darren Aronofsky's BATMAN: YEAR ONE would have been like...

[Harmsway]

I wonder what Darren Aronofsky's BATMAN: YEAR ONE would have been like...

Judging by the script, it would have been awful.

[HH007]

I wonder what Darren Aronofsky's BATMAN: YEAR ONE would have been like...

Judging by the script, it would have been awful.

Is the script on-line somewhere?


EDIT: Never mind, found it. I'm gonna give it a look right now.

[Harmsway]

I wonder what Darren Aronofsky's BATMAN: YEAR ONE would have been like...

Judging by the script, it would have been awful.

Is the script on-line somewhere?

Yeah. It's all over the internet.

http://leonscripts.u...ARONEscript.htm

[6Joker9]

I think part of Batman Begins problem is that indeed David Goyer is not a very good writer (he's an even worse director), and the first draft of the script (much of which is in the film), was entirely his, as I understand it.

It was. He said that about 75% of the film is his.

I should mention that even though I'm happy Nolan's brother, Jonathan Nolan, is writing the script this time, I tend to not try to over-criticize Goyer for his work in Begins. For all the responsibility that he must take for the film's imperfection, he deserves credit for the film

Edited by 6Joker9, 28 March 2008 - 02:45 PM.

[HH007]

I wonder what Darren Aronofsky's BATMAN: YEAR ONE would have been like...

Judging by the script, it would have been awful.

Is the script on-line somewhere?

Yeah. It's all over the internet.

http://leonscripts.u...ARONEscript.htm

I got a third of the way through and found it boring as hell.