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[sharpshooter]

Just wait untill October.

I have to wait till November but be relasitic here, QOS has had nothing on TDK. No hype over a major preformance in the film and no creative advertising campaign. Two key factors that made the audience flood in. QOS had a good teaser but a few crappy posters aren't going to help things much.

At this stage, I'm with you. I'm not willing to write off our man Bond, though. He has a habit of cheating death.

[Mister E]

Think about it, we didn't have much of a campaign for Casino Royale, only a two trailers, a few posters, and some tie in ads. We are getting the same for Quantum of Solace. It'a a Bond movie, so I think it has a good chance of becoming a massive success.

The CR ad campaign one was alot better actually. This one has been just lazy. At best, expect QOS to do better business then CR but coming close TDK ? That is just fantasy.

Edited by Mister E, 21 August 2008 - 03:16 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

I care about the film, really. a good marketing campaign is just a bonus.

[Mister E]

I care about the film, really. a good marketing campaign is just a bonus.

I am pretty sure you do but a good marketing campaign is essential.

[DamnCoffee]

Plus, Casino Royale was just a few hundered million off The Dark Knight, and I think Quantum of Solace has a good chance of doing better. We have the Bond fans, the Bond fans who love Craig, the Bond fans who loved Casino Royale and the Bond fans who arent Bond fans yet.

[Mister E]

Plus, Casino Royale was just a few hundered million off The Dark Knight, and I think Quantum of Solace has a good chance of doing better. We have the Bond fans, the Bond fans who love Craig, the Bond fans who loved Casino Royale and the Bond fans who arent Bond fans yet.

A few hundred million is alot. I still think it was just do better then CR and not close to TDK's numbers.

Edited by Mister E, 21 August 2008 - 03:24 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

Either way, it will hopefully beat The Dark Knight in quality. Which will be hard to do as the movie was teriffic. But.. I have faith in the Bond team.

[Mister E]

Either way, it will hopefully beat The Dark Knight in quality. Which will be hard to do as the movie was teriffic. But.. I have faith in the Bond team.

Yes, there is alot I am liking about this film. This could be the deepest and personal Bond.

[DamnCoffee]

Yes. And at the same time be kick ! I cannot wait to see it.

[SPOTTER]

The Dark Knight Worldwide Box Office:
$801,794,356

Top Domestic (US) gross:

1 Titanic Par. $600,788,188 1997
2 The Dark Knight WB $473,194,356 2008
3 Star Wars Fox $460,998,007 1977
It hasn't even finished it's run yet either


Comic Book Adaptations:
1 The Dark Knight WB $473,194,356 4,366 $158,411,483 4,366 7/18/08
2 Spider-Man Sony $403,706,375 3,876 $114,844,116 3,615 5/3/02
3 Spider-Man 2 Sony $373,585,825 4,166 $88,156,227 4,152 6/30/04
4 Spider-Man 3 Sony $336,530,303 4,324 $151,116,516 4,252 5/4/07



It hasn't even finished it's run yet either.
Bond will have a big job beating that.

What's the top domestic gross list got to do with it? I can't believe that so many people foget to take inflation into account. TDK has done extremely well but in fact it is nowhere near Titanic or Star Wars in top domestic gross. Star Wars took $460 million in 1977. That's 30 years ago. Can you imagine how much money that would be now. If you go onto Box Office Mojo and work it all out for inflation I think you'll find that Star Wars is a lot closer to $1.2 billion. You will never see money like that being made ever again because we live in a totally different world now if you get my meaning.

On the Bond front I did actually think it could be quite close between QOS and TDK but I now see it as a clear win for the latter. Bond can never compete with Batman in the U.S. but internationally I think it could be close. My predictions for TDK would be around $1 billion worldwide whilst I have high hopes for QOS beating CR both in admissions and money. I would like to think it could do around $650 - 700 million worldwide.

Edited by SPOTTER, 21 August 2008 - 07:18 PM.

[Mister E]

[would be around $1 billion worldwide

Frankly, I think that estimate is ridiculous. 750-800 million is more plausiable amount.

Edited by Mister E, 21 August 2008 - 05:58 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

Hardly, since it's already grossed $801,794,356.

[Mister E]

Hardly, since it's already grossed $801,794,356.

Oh, nevermind.

[SPOTTER]

[would be around $1 billion worldwide


Frankly, I think that estimate is ridiculous. 750-800 million is more plausiable amount.

Hardly, since it's already grossed $801,794,356.

Oh, nevermind.

That must have been like a kick in the goolies with a hob-nail boot.

Edited by SPOTTER, 21 August 2008 - 07:21 PM.

[Publius]

The CR ad campaign one was alot better actually. This one has been just lazy. At best, expect QOS to do better business then CR but coming close TDK ? That is just fantasy.

I don't remember it being better by much, if at all. What drove it was mostly chatter over this controversial new blond Bond and how it was going to be a Batman-style reboot, Bourne-style film. While that helped, it also hurt.

Craig is far more established and accepted now (not only did CR's box office indicate amazing word-of-mouth, but DVD sales were extremely strong), so there's less of a need for aggressive marketing.

That said, I still agree it's been and will undoubtedly continue to be subpar. Maybe the powers that be just don't want to jeopardize their track record of having a top five hit every two years by shoving Bond down our throats. Basically, flying under the public's radar.

I have high hopes for QOS beating CR both in admissions and money. I would like to think it could do around $650 - 700 million worldwide.

I think it will. Matching CR's ticket sales in North America means a gross of $180 million (the equivalent of $167 million two years ago), while the dollar's free-fall abroad will make its international take much higher than CR's $427 million.

Right now I'm guessing $200 million "domestic," $500 million "overseas," for $700 million worldwide.

[Mister E]

The CR ad campaign one was alot better actually. This one has been just lazy. At best, expect QOS to do better business then CR but coming close TDK ? That is just fantasy.

I don't remember it being better by much, if at all. What drove it was mostly chatter over this controversial new blond Bond and how it was going to be a Batman-style reboot, Bourne-style film. While that helped, it also hurt.

True but at least they kept the film in the headlines as long as possible. Now, it just seems like lazy advertising.

Craig is far more established and accepted now (not only did CR's box office indicate amazing word-of-mouth, but DVD sales were extremely strong), so there's less of a need for aggressive marketing.

Ah, but there is always a need for creative marketing. TDK's marketing campaign was more creative then agressive. The various websites for example and posters. They didn't shove the movie down your throat but they aroused your interest, which is the key to marketing anyway.

Edited by Mister E, 22 August 2008 - 10:57 PM.

[Emma]

It looks bad for the Quantum of the Solace now, no?

Well it looks as if I will have to eat my words on QOS out performing TDK. I just don't see it happening now. It still boggles my mind how that film made so much money. I found it pretentious and filled with so many plot holes and inconstancies that it just became obnoxious and irritating. It was one of the worst films that I have ever seen in my life.

What's the top domestic gross list got to do with it? I can't believe that so many people foget to take inflation into account. TDK has done extremely well but in fact it is nowhere near Titanic or Star Wars in top domestic gross. Star Wars took $460 million in 1977. That's 30 years ago. Can you imagine how much money that would be now. If you go onto Box Office Mojo and work it all out for inflation I think you'll find that Star Wars is a lot closer to $1.2 billion. You will never see money like that being made ever again because we live in a totally different world now if you get my meaning.

Here are the top ten grossing films of all time, taking into account for inlfation:

1 Gone with the Wind MGM $1,430,476,000
2 Star Wars Fox $1,261,086,700
3 The Sound of Music Fox $1,008,300,900
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $1,004,328,700
5 The Ten Commandments Par. $927,480,000
6 Titanic Par. $908,688,900
7 Jaws Uni. $906,798,000 $260,000,000 1975
8 Doctor Zhivago MGM $878,879,000
9 The Exorcist WB $782,826,200
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Dis. $771,720,000



Here's the link: http://www.boxoffice...me/adjusted.htm

As you will see The Dark Knight is way down on the list

[SPOTTER]

I went to see TDK on saturday and I can't say it left much of an impression on me. It was far too long and it had the feel of Spidey 3 about it. (too much going on. no character development) Heath Ledger's Joker does steal the show though. Overall it was a bit of let down and for me BB was a far better movie.

If QOS is on par with TDK then I will be dissapointed with it but I don't think that will happen. TDK will more than likely out gross Bond but the latter I feel could well be the better film.

[Emma]

If QOS is on par with TDK then I will be dissapointed with it but I don't think that will happen. TDK will more than likely out gross Bond but the latter I feel could well be the better film.

You know what? I thank God and all else that is holy that QOS was already filming and wrapped up (I think) before TDK came out. Because if QOS had not started filming and decided that they were going to move along the same lines as TDK. I would have screamed bloody murder.

[Captain Tightpants]

I on't think it would have mattered; they've been setting up the part about exploring Bond's character since the end of CR. The end of Batman Begins just showed the Rise of the Joker and that could have gone anywhere, but the producers have always made it clear what they were looking to do with Double-Oh Seven. It's naturally going to be a little dark, and so it wouldn't have mattered if it started filming after TDK had been released.

[JackWade]

It was one of the worst films that I have ever seen in my life.

Oh give me a break. What, are the only films you have ever seen on the AFI Top 100 list or something?

[Mister E]

I think TDK has become overrated and I don't think it's bad but it's gross has been kind of ridiculous.

[deth]

I think TDK has become overrated and I don't think it's bad but it's gross has been kind of ridiculous.

agreed. It's a good film. But it's a real shame that it sits atop the imdb rankings, for instance.

[DamnCoffee]

It's really interesting to think that if Ledger didn't die, would the film have had such a massive gross?

[bond 16.05.72]

It was one of the worst films that I have ever seen in my life.

Oh give me a break. What, are the only films you have ever seen on the AFI Top 100 list or something?

I have to agree Wade, Emma is talking complete rubbish there, personally I've seen people saying Batman 89 was better than DK and I can't figure it out.

Really with all the garbage that has been made and you call DK one of the worst films you've ever seen but then again you rated Hitman so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Batman & Robin & Batman Forever were part of the previous series and they were boh a travesty but you single out a film which the majority of people loved as one of the worst films of all time, I think your just sick of all the praise its recieving, then are completely over exaggerating your feelings on DK to make a point.

I find Saving Private Ryan utterly overrated and got sick to death of people pouring platitudes all over it but I would never say it was one of the worst films I've ever seen.

Batman & Robin, Avengers or Raw Deal maybe, I hate Titnaic but to say it's one of the worst films ever made would be completely wrong. Not even DAD is one of the worst films ever made or VTAK because there is so much worse out there.

Disliking films is one thing but please get a grip, One of the worst films ever made... Please, do you know how ridiculous that sounds.

[Captain Tightpants]

I have to agree Wade, Emma is talking complete rubbish there, personally I've seen people saying Batman 89 was better than DK and I can't figure it out.

I'd say it's a variant on Sir Sean Syndrome: people were impressed by Jack Nicholson as the Joker and thus don't like the idea of someone else playing the role. It might be justified in the Bond franchise - Sir Sean is my second-favourite, after Craig - but here not so much. I personally found that while Nicholson's performance was good, he was hardly threatening; more of a clown who was a killer as opposed to Ledger's killer who was a clown.

[Fiona Volpe lover]

I don't think QOS will gross as much as TDK but I would love it to. I thought TDK was reasonable but nothing special, I don't understand the way people are falling over themselves to praise it Chris Nolan is still pretty poor as a director of action IMO]. Ledger was fine but all this talk you here of him deserving an Oscar because he's dead is ridiculous. Several other actors could have played that role just as well.

Edited by Fiona Volpe lover, 26 August 2008 - 08:40 PM.

[Jeff007]

If anyone knows hockey this is like asking a Toronto Maple Leaf fan who will win the Stanely Cup? Of course the Leaf fan will say Toronto will win it this year. But reality may be different.

So, I say....


Quantum of Solace

[Emma]

It was one of the worst films that I have ever seen in my life.

Oh give me a break. What, are the only films you have ever seen on the AFI Top 100 list or something?

I have to agree Wade, Emma is talking complete rubbish there, personally I've seen people saying Batman 89 was better than DK and I can't figure it out.

Really with all the garbage that has been made and you call DK one of the worst films you've ever seen but then again you rated Hitman so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Batman & Robin & Batman Forever were part of the previous series and they were boh a travesty but you single out a film which the majority of people loved as one of the worst films of all time, I think your just sick of all the praise its recieving, then are completely over exaggerating your feelings on DK to make a point.

I find Saving Private Ryan utterly overrated and got sick to death of people pouring platitudes all over it but I would never say it was one of the worst films I've ever seen.

Batman & Robin, Avengers or Raw Deal maybe, I hate Titnaic but to say it's one of the worst films ever made would be completely wrong. Not even DAD is one of the worst films ever made or VTAK because there is so much worse out there.

Disliking films is one thing but please get a grip, One of the worst films ever made... Please, do you know how ridiculous that sounds.

You're funny, and obviously you can't read. Here is my direct quote:

It was one of the worst films that I have ever seen in my life.

No where did I say that TDK was the worst film ever made. Those are your words not mine.

And for your information, I am twice as big a Batman fan as I am a James Bond fan. I had been looking forwards to TDK film ever since Batman Begins left theatres. In fact I had been so anxious to see TDK, that I showed up at theatre that was showing a special preview of TDK and asked the Warner Bros. staff on hand if I could be let in.

As for my 'singling' out the TDK, well this thread is in reference to Batman vs. Bond in 2008. And that is what I responded to.

The fact remains, I did not like The Dark Knight. I thought that it was a very poorly made film, and I stand by that opinion. And if you can't deal with that, that's just too bad for you.

By the way if you want to take someone to task you might want to address what they've written. That way you don't sound like an overzealous fan boy and a message board nazi who has nothing better to do than keeping record of what people post on message boards.

Edited by Emma, 29 August 2008 - 10:58 PM.

[Emma]

I on't think it would have mattered; they've been setting up the part about exploring Bond's character since the end of CR. The end of Batman Begins just showed the Rise of the Joker and that could have gone anywhere, but the producers have always made it clear what they were looking to do with Double-Oh Seven. It's naturally going to be a little dark, and so it wouldn't have mattered if it started filming after TDK had been released.

That's true. What I was getting at was that due to the box office success of TDK, what would have happened if EON had decided to shift perspective or change their plans, and make QOS along the lines of TDK.


Can you see a Bond film, where the villain is the true star of the film and it is really the team at MI6 who try to appprehend him, and Bond only shows up for a quarter of the film?