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Casino Royale has RUINED the Bond franchise


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#1 MooreisMore

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 12:01 AM

IT WAS TOO ****ING GOOD! How can I go BACK to the other 20 after THAT?

I'm too happy to even complete what I'm saying, that is the BEST movie-going experience I've ever had. Went to see it tonight in a tux (I wasn't the only one, I saw loads of people doing it) and had a complete blast. Spoilers ahead.

- The gun barrel opening, when Craig turns around and shoots and the YKMN riff kicks in almost bought a ****ing TEAR to my eye. It was so unexpected yet so BRILLIANT. I shivered in my seat. It's one of two breath-taking moments in this film that will stay with me my entire life.

- The cartoon titles was the best title sequence of anything ever.

- The opening action sequence was the weakest bit of the film. In this film I actually didn't like the action that wasn't a fight scene.

- Craig is the only Bond as far as I'm concerned. He was a human who I could relate to and root for.

- The aiport chase was a bit annoying too, I wanted the film to settle down.

- But when it did it grabbed me by the balls from beginning to end.

- Eva Green and Daniel Craig's chemistry is amongst the best I've ever seen. This is the only time in a film where I've LOVED the romance scenes, I'd've preferred more of them over more action.

- Le Chiffre ie my new fave villain, he was just.... a guy. A human being who was doing what he needed to survive. I completly understood his character.

- The Poker game was BRILLIANT. I honestly didn't know what was gonna happen.

- Craig's "Bond, James Bond" made me gasp out loud and almost squeel. Best ending to a film I've ever seen.

I'll add more to this later so uh, this is a positive review.

1000/1000

#2 Double-0-Seven

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 12:04 AM

Excellent points! I can't wait to see this tomorrow. :)

#3 Dr. Noah

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 04:30 AM

LOL

The title to this review totally suckered me.

#4 Vauxhall

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 06:53 AM

I share your enthusiasm and agree with all your points. Can't fault these one iota!!

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 07:06 AM

OK, so who else fell for that one? :)

#6 Vauxhall

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 07:11 AM

OK, so who else fell for that one? :P

Hook, line and sinker :)

#7 sharpshooter

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 07:11 AM

I opened the thread expected a total negative spin, and got one of the best positive reviews yet! Cant wait. 3 weeks for me.

#8 jaguar007

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 08:07 AM

I thought Moo Moo was back...again.

#9 ACE

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 10:13 AM

IT WAS TOO ****ING GOOD! How can I go BACK to the other 20 after THAT?

LOL! You had me there! I looked at your username and assumed here's another one stuck in the past. Nice post.

#10 JameswpBond

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 04:29 PM

I agree I don't want to see the other James Bond films anymore. Casino Royale tops them all and put's them all to shame!

#11 License To Kill

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 04:50 PM

LOL

The title to this review totally suckered me.


Got me too.

#12 thecasinoroyale

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 04:52 PM

AND me!

*phew*


I was about to get the wicker chair and rope out for you MooreIsMore!!

REALLY glad you enjoyed it, and have some great points about it!

:)

#13 00Twelve

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 04:55 PM

Couldn't have seen a better fake on gameday...:) Great review!

#14 ComplimentsOfSharky

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 05:14 PM

OK, so who else fell for that one? :)


*Lowers head, raises hand...

#15 lafemmefantome

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 05:22 PM

I fell for it too. I did however see it last night in a theater at midnight with about 50 others. I think I was one of a handful of women there. Well onto the show.

Thank you Daniel Craig and thank you Martin Campbell for making this the first Bond film I will go back and see again (as soon as I can catch some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......)

The opening sequence was just so different. The black and white photography set the mood. I love the title sequence with the cards. Daniel Craig just blows this film out of the water. What else can I say?

Action versus gimmicks...anytime!

I liked how the film showed Bond's human side and at the end, you understand so clearly why he is the way he is.

Eva Green - well one of the first Bond girls who's intelligent and witty and can even teach Bond a thing or two.

Le Chiffre - single minded purpose to what he's doing and Mads pulls it off so well.

The torture scene - intense but believe it or not, there's an element of humor? :) I know but to me, it all fits when a character is at the end and he begins to make really bad cracks.

I'm sure I'll see this film at least 5 times or more.

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#16 Bond_Bishop

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 05:28 PM

You devil! Tricked me with that thread title. Excellent that you loved the movie. I still have one week to go before I can see it. (Swedish premiere isn't until the 24th)

#17 MooreisMore

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 05:33 PM

I started watching Spy Who Loved Me today and it felt like a completly different series. Bond is an extremly versatile franchise it would seem.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 06:08 PM

I totally fell for the title of this thread as well and was expecting the worst! Yet, I'm wicked glad that ya like the film!

You bring up an excellent conundrum as well, which I had just been turning over in my mind, a few minutes before I discovered this thread. I was responding to an email from a gal I've been getting to know and she actually told me that she's never seen a Bond film, ever!!! Mind ya...she's 33...and she's never seen a Bond film!!!

My first thought was "Ohhhh...this is a fanboy's wet dream!" and I promptly offered to register the gal in Bond 101. Yet, after firing away that response, I thought to myself...having just seen 'Casino Royale'(which I've still got to completely soak in, though already hail as the best film since OHMSS)...how would I go about schooling someone on the films, when this last one was so radically different and yet so blissfully satisfying???!!! The difference between 'Casino Royale' and the twenty films that've preceded it seems so divergent. How to proceed, I wonder? I'm totally open for suggestions.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 06:41 PM


OK, so who else fell for that one? :)


*Lowers head, raises hand...

X2

#20 doubler83

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 07:37 PM

I was about to get the wicker chair and rope out for you MooreIsMore!!


Screw that! I think we should still get the wicker chair and rope out for him tricking us into thinking he didn't like it. :)

#21 Jericho_One

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 07:41 PM


OK, so who else fell for that one? :P

Hook, line and sinker :)


Me too. :P

#22 tigerheart

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 08:48 PM


OK, so who else fell for that one? :)

Hook, line and sinker :P



Same here... [censored] :P

Naughty MooreIsMore... :)

#23 DamnCoffee

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 09:13 PM

- But when it did it grabbed me by the balls from beginning to end.





no pun intended i'm sure :)

#24 pdc7

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 12:32 PM

Great review, and I agree with most of it -- except 2 points: One, that the opening action (chase) sequence was the weakest in the film. Well, I thought it was flat out AMAZING. And the innovative use of Parkour made it absolutely unique as well. A sheer adrenaline rush which left me and my friends gasping and applauding. And, point Two: Just because this film was so damn good and so faithful-in-tone to Fleming's novel, does not, I feel, negate the other classic early Bonds or OHMSS for that matter. They all have their own distinct qualities -- as did Fleming's novels.

Comparing Fleming's 'Casino Royale' with 'Goldfinger' one readily sees how radically different in tone they are -- as his 'From Russia With Love' is to 'You Only Live Twice'. The tone and plotting of the novels span quite a wide spectrum, as do the films -- with some being much grittier and harder edged, and others being much more flamboyant and exotic.

And, a perfect example of the latter approach, 'Goldfinger' (still my favorite Bond film, joined now by 'Casino' and the astonishing Daniel Craig) is certainly as perfect a blend of elegant wit, stylish action, rich atmosphere, outrageously outre villains, and wildly outlandish situations as one could hope to find. And Craig -- brilliant as he admittedly is -- would simply seem out-of-place trying to fill Connery's perfectly polished shoes in that film.

Thus, to me, this is simply a case of apples and oranges. 'Casino' does what it does with brutal, ruthless efficiency, a breathtakingly refreshing boldness, surprisingly resonant humanity and an unprecedented maturity added to the mix as well. BUT the classic Connery's and one or two of the others ALSO do what THEY do brilliantly, as well -- just differently.

So, to sum up the contrast with an appropriately "spirited" metaphor, one might say that 'Casino Royale' is a tumbler of straight 100-proof Sour Mash while 'Goldfinger' is a crystal flute of sparkling Bollinger.

So -- Choose your poison!

Edited by pdc7, 27 November 2006 - 12:36 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2006 - 01:05 PM

I agree, MooreisMore.

I wanted Q, Moneypenny, gadgets, girls in the titles but there was none.
No big villain - Ian Fleming would disapprove of this story - where was it?
No locations - why not France?
No humour
No good ending - Bond should always end with the girl. Hopefully with the funny jokes
No sets - I was expecting a big battle in the Casino Royale. Wasn't it the baddie's HQ in the original?
No 007 Theme - only came at the end
No proper Bond song - you cannot have the American rock as Bond song. Bring back Shirley Bassey or Carly Simon. They would have done a good song.
Why no Blofeld or big plan? The last few Bond films suffer from this.
I think a lot of peoples have been fooled by Daniel Craig. He is good actor with good body but Bond is not Arnold Schwartzenegger. Daniel is too tough. Roger said that Bond is someone who does not like killing - Daniel does.

Edited by Mercator, 27 November 2006 - 01:06 PM.


#26 Seannery

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 01:32 PM


IT WAS TOO ****ING GOOD! How can I go BACK to the other 20 after THAT?

LOL! You had me there! I looked at your username and assumed here's another one stuck in the past. Nice post.




Yes very clever MooreisMore! And ACE one NOT be stuck in the past not to totally endorse CR. :) People can have various VALID reasons not give a total thumbs up to ANY film.

#27 ACE

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 01:36 PM



IT WAS TOO ****ING GOOD! How can I go BACK to the other 20 after THAT?

LOL! You had me there! I looked at your username and assumed here's another one stuck in the past. Nice post.




Yes very clever MooreisMore! And ACE one NOT be stuck in the past not to totally endorse CR. :) People can have various VALID reasons not give a total thumbs up to ANY film.

Never that MiM was and that people couldn't. Sorry you read it that way, Seannery.

#28 Seannery

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 01:39 PM




IT WAS TOO ****ING GOOD! How can I go BACK to the other 20 after THAT?

LOL! You had me there! I looked at your username and assumed here's another one stuck in the past. Nice post.




Yes very clever MooreisMore! And ACE one NOT be stuck in the past not to totally endorse CR. :) People can have various VALID reasons not give a total thumbs up to ANY film.

Never that MiM was and that people couldn't. Sorry you read it that way, Seannery.





So sorry then, ACE.

#29 VeteransAbroad

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 03:38 PM

I like the fact that somebody else here would wear a tux to see "Casino Royale." I didn't do that, but it is a great idea. I've found that I make more friends when I am wearing a tux. I recommend that more guys do that. Women really don't mind, although some of them might end up asking you to bring them a Perrier on the rocks. ;-)

In the book, there is no fight in the casino other than the fast removal of a cane-gun from Bond's lower spine. Vesper set Bond up to have that gun placed in his back...which accounts for the severe emotional pain Bond goes through after she kills herself and he reads her suicide letter.

Bond never kills anyone in the book. And there is no intense desire to fight "Redland" at the end. Bond blames the dead Vesper for allowing herself to be blackmailed and betray her country.

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 04:33 PM

I agree, MooreisMore.

I wanted Q, Moneypenny, gadgets, girls in the titles but there was none.
No big villain - Ian Fleming would disapprove of this story - where was it?
No locations - why not France?
No humour
No good ending - Bond should always end with the girl. Hopefully with the funny jokes
No sets - I was expecting a big battle in the Casino Royale. Wasn't it the baddie's HQ in the original?
No 007 Theme - only came at the end
No proper Bond song - you cannot have the American rock as Bond song. Bring back Shirley Bassey or Carly Simon. They would have done a good song.
Why no Blofeld or big plan? The last few Bond films suffer from this.
I think a lot of peoples have been fooled by Daniel Craig. He is good actor with good body but Bond is not Arnold Schwartzenegger. Daniel is too tough. Roger said that Bond is someone who does not like killing - Daniel does.


Why would Ian Fleming disaprove of Lechiffre when he wrote the charcter originally doh?