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[Cody]

About White, I think if Bond dosen't kill him and the PTS for Bond 22 picks up where Casino Royale ends then they should kill off White. If there's an ensuing shootout with henchmen he should die in the crossfire or take his own life. Continue the tradtion started with Characters like Jones in DN, Henderson in YOLT, and more recently the banker in TWINE. Why make it easy for Bond? It's the start of movie, why not kill off his biggest lead? It's not like it's stopped him before and makes things a bit more interesting.

Yeah, I think I'd be very bothered if 22 starts where CR ends and White isn't killed very quickly. If White were to get away, knowing things are about to go South would take away from the coolness of CR's last moment.

[Simon Beavis]

Extraordinary. This is very Bourne, innit?

Personally, I prefer my Bond films rather more self-contained. Oh, well....

But again, applause for mixing up the formula....

Absolutely.

So does this put added stock in the rumour that (POTENTIALLY ENORMOUS PLOT SPOILER FOR BOTH CASINO ROYALE AND BOND 22 COMING UP)

Spoiler

BOND 22 will follow on directly from the end of CASINO ROYALE, HALLOWEEN II-style? (Presumably, gunmen unseen at the end of CR will appear after Bond has popped White and open up on him.)

Should we now be taking this more or less as fact?

Is it possible that we'll never see another Moore-style adventure?

I very much doubt that we'll ever see another Moore-style adventure ( ), but not because of any lack of public demand or a perceived preference among audiences for "serious" Bond. I think the producers are too snooty to make an unpretentious, fun-for-all-the-family 007 outing these days (and indeed have been so for a while).

You mean not since 2002, aka Year of the Fully Loaded Sports Car with Romulan Cloaking Device.

No, it's because the Roger Moore style adventures don't mesh well with the likes of 24 (which makes the Moore films look like The Naked Gun by comparison). It's just like with Batman, the campy Adam West portrayal wasn't bad for this time, but would not hold up to modern sensibilities, which are much better suited to Batman Begins.

To reiterate another poster, this isn't Bourne, Bourne is closer to LTK and Fleming's ending to YOLT, this is more along the lines of Jack Bauer, which is a good thing. The moment Bond starts channeling Mike Myers, then he's every bit the dinosaur M accused him of being in GoldenEye.

People who don't like story arcs (e.g people who rate the campy original Star Trek higher than the much smarter X-Files) just simply have MTV-style attention spans.

[Andrew]

I'm not quite sure how I would feel about B22 picking up right from where CR leaves off, unless it's only the PTS and then it advances about a year after the MTS.

I'd like to have the events of CR really sink in on Bond.

[Tiin007]

I happen to like the idea of a continuing plotline. It gives the series much-needed continuity and challenges the "every Bond movie is the same" line I get from most of my friends.

[triviachamp]

I'll probably be more than ready for a return to the Moore-style fun-for-the-family outing.

If you want family friendly Bond why not sell Bond to Disney? Make it really family friendly!

would it be at all a wise financial decision to return to the campier, cringeworthy innuendo-spewing Bond?

Well it hasn't worked for comic book films.

I very much doubt that we'll ever see another Moore-style adventure

Hurrah! I despise ironic postmodern camp.

Oh and by the end Roger Moore's movies were being outdone by Indiana Jones and Rambo. Campy Bond can not compete with Bourne and other action movies.

I think the producers are too snooty to make an unpretentious, fun-for-all-the-family 007 outing these days (and indeed have been so for a while).

Well after making 20 formulaic films they have to make Bond fresh. 1970s camp is not fresh.

Oh and Roger Moore's movies were far more postmodern and ironic than Craig's.

Edited by triviachamp, 27 October 2006 - 12:29 AM.

[Harmsway]

I'll probably be more than ready for a return to the Moore-style fun-for-the-family outing.

If you want family friendly Bond why not sell Bond to Disney? Make it really family friendly!

You know what I mean.

THE SPY WHO LOVED ME/MOONRAKER were really just big fun films made with kids firmly in mind. Seeing as I dig that style of Bond, just as much as I dig "gritty" Bond, I'd love to see it make a return one day after a period of "gritty" Bond.

I'm sure I'll be tired of seeing one gritty Bond after another and yearn for a little more straight-up entertainment. Variety is one of the cornerstones of the Bond franchise.

[Fro]

Yep, and you can tie that all into using the Shatterhand story to cap things off for Bond 23/24 (depending on how many Craig wants to do).

I definitely second "Property of a Lady". if it plays out like you guys speculate.

Edited by Fro, 27 October 2006 - 12:43 AM.

[Simon Beavis]

I had seen this as a possibilty. The hunt for "the algerian" should be interesting to see where they take that. They could go either way with him being a baddie or not. They should make it a bit ambiguous. I could them using "The Property of a lady" as the title and it working well in the conext.

About White, I think if Bond dosen't kill him and the PTS for Bond 22 picks up where Casino Royale ends then they should kill off White. If there's an ensuing shootout with henchmen he should die in the crossfire or take his own life. Continue the tradtion started with Characters like Jones in DN, Henderson in YOLT, and more recently the banker in TWINE. Why make it easy for Bond? It's the start of movie, why not kill off his biggest lead? It's not like it's stopped him before and makes things a bit more interesting.

Finishing one just to die in the very beginning of the next? No, have White get be "rescued" by the henchmen who ambush, Bond, then he could report to his boss (who would appear in Bond 22 in Darth Sidious type capacity) who is behind their recent troubles, then they issue a death warrant for Bond. "Smert Shpionam!"

Or he could be dead before Bond 22 begins and Bond could make of with the hard drive of the PC, THEN be ambushed.

[JimmyBond]

I quite liked the idea of baddies ambushing Bond at the villa and making off with White, in fact I was the one who originitated it! But I like the idea of White getting shot in the crossfire even better. Much more realistic, if they're really wanting to show the consequences of violence (as Wilson said early on) then this is a great way to show it.

[Simon Beavis]

Is the Algerian boyfriend given a name?

[JimmyBond]

Not according to the draft I have. But I doubt they'd give him a name in the revisions, they probably want to keep their options open.

[Vilain]

I quite like the idea of the continuing trilogy. It would make Craig's tenure as Bond all the more memorable. And also would be rather refreshing.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I quite liked the idea of baddies ambushing Bond at the villa and making off with White, in fact I was the one who originitated it! But I like the idea of White getting shot in the crossfire even better. Much more realistic, if they're really wanting to show the consequences of violence (as Wilson said early on) then this is a great way to show it.

They could do the Bond 22 PTS with the ending of CR with Bond shooting out White's kneecaps and scooping up his phone and dragging White off a-la Mollaka in CR only to have renforcements show up and opening fire. Bond is forced to use White as a human sheild killing him before making it to an enemy car or perhaps Bond has an Aston stashed nearby. Then we get our "Ronin" esque car chase through the roads and hills around lake Como as Bond has to outrun and gun pursuing henchmen. That would make a kickass yet realistic and action packed PTS.

Edited by Agent Spriggan Ominae, 27 October 2006 - 07:09 AM.

[SecretAgentFan]

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[RazorBlade]

I hope there are no more Moore style adventures ever. That was a weak period in the francise and a waste of the talents of Moore, the writers (Tom Maniewciz -sp) and everyone associated with the films.

Let's keep it gritty, down and dirty. I want adventure. If I want Jack Black I'll go see Tenacious D.

[MarcAngeDraco]

By the way, Bond films tied into another before - OHMSS and DAF anyone?

True (to an extent), but I think the connection was poorly executed and also greatly diminished by having a different Bond and a different Blofeld...

[DamnCoffee]

Agreed, if there was gonna be a 'Direct Sequel' atleast have the same actors in the role

[DOUBLE-O-JOE]

I had seen this as a possibilty. The hunt for "the algerian" should be interesting to see where they take that. They could go either way with him being a baddie or not. They should make it a bit ambiguous. I could them using "The Property of a lady" as the title and it working well in the conext.

About White, I think if Bond dosen't kill him and the PTS for Bond 22 picks up where Casino Royale ends then they should kill off White. If there's an ensuing shootout with henchmen he should die in the crossfire or take his own life. Continue the tradtion started with Characters like Jones in DN, Henderson in YOLT, and more recently the banker in TWINE. Why make it easy for Bond? It's the start of movie, why not kill off his biggest lead? It's not like it's stopped him before and makes things a bit more interesting.

Yeah, I agree with every thing you say. If White doesn't kill himself he'll probably get bumped off by a henchman before he can talk. This talk about the Algerian reminds me for some reason about Benson's "Union". EON could make the secret Org the Union, but I guess that will never happen.

[Vauxhall]

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[morganhavoc]

so if the 3 or 4 Craig Bonds flow into each other as direct sequels, One picking up where the other left off...then it is possible that these stories would only cover a few weeks or months in Bond's life. What a way to start out as a Double O!

[YOLT]

So if the cast and script ready why not make it in 2007 ?!!

[darthbond]

Sweet Beans...

darthbond

[JimmyBond]

So if the cast and script ready why not make it in 2007 ?!!

Because the cast and script arent ready.

[Double-0-Seven]

In the new Arena mag, Eva Green apparently spills the beans on BOND 22. We've heard it was going to be a direct continuation - well it's a REAL continuation (this was posted over at that *other* Bond site as a summary of her comments in Arena):

She said the film is a direct continuation in terms of story as it revolves around a dark secret Vesper has. Something about her lover being tortured or something, this leads Bond to his next mission. When asked if she would return in flashbacks she says that Vesper will likely return on a computer, a pre-recorded message by a web cam on the internet.

Sounds awesome!

I can't believe I'm already reading spoilers for Bond 22.

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[Simon Beavis]

I take it the webcam confession will be similar to the letter from the end of the novel?

[Vauxhall]

I take it the webcam confession will be similar to the letter from the end of the novel?

Guess it may well be, but I do find it somewhat odd that Vesper would have prepared a video for Bond. In my opinion, the suicide in the movie seems far more impulsive than in the novel, thus negating the ability for leaving a prepared message.

[Harmsway]

Therefore, I don't think the video message would have anything to do with her suicide. It might not even be Bond-specific. I think it might instead have to do with the "dark secret" that Vesper supposedly has and the shadowy figures behind everything.

[00Twelve]

Yes, this would make far more sense. But since when has that stopped EON?

[MR. BOND 93]

Would ya'll rather have CR end in a somewhat cliffhanger and find out about Vesper's dirty little secret from a recorded message on his computer in the sequel or have Vesper quickly commit suicide in only 1 film by overdosing herself on sleeping pills and leaving a note on her nightstand revealing all of her secret stuff and end the movie with Bond saying "The bitch is dead." just like in the book?

Personally, I like the way they are going with this.

so if the 3 or 4 Craig Bonds flow into each other as direct sequels, One picking up where the other left off...then it is possible that these stories would only cover a few weeks or months in Bond's life. What a way to start out as a Double O!

... which is the reason CR is the only book and probably the only movie where Bond used his heart instead of his head.

[00Twelve]

I like the twist ending where we learn the truth. Helps to look back at the film and see things in a different light. That is, if you never knew what would happen, which if you're reading this, then this point is null and void. Have a nice day.

Edited by 00Twelve, 29 October 2006 - 06:43 AM.