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[Dustin]

James Bond isn't the role of Sean Connery's career. Harry Flashman is.

Malcolm McDowell was Flashman.

Perhaps you mean Connery as Danny Dravit in The Man Who Would be King? That film had a lot in common with Royal Flash.

...Unless there's another Flashman film that I (and IMDB) don't know about. I'd be interested in seeing it.

No, I was kidding there, sort of. I know Connery never played Flashman. But he should have, nobody would talk about his Bond any more.

[007RogerMoore]

Since SF is celebrating 50 years of Bond films, it´s time to do what DAD did - include references to the older movies. This should be done by in part by bringing back gadgets like Q-cars, Q-boats, Q-watches and Little Nellie. JW Pepper, Jaws and Nick Nack should do cameos. Ok, perhaps not Nick Nack, since Herve is dead, but atleast the others.


Bond should steal a boat, the way he did in QOS, to follow someone. In that same boat is JW Pepper sitting, and he screams to the other boats in the same manner as in TMWTGG (things like "Move it, get that piece of jug out of the way " and "let´s go get them, boy"). That would be a great reference and every single Bond fan would love it!
And then Bond should make the spiral jump, but with the boat. Pepper screams and says "I have done that before". Bond answers "So have I, actually". That stunt would have been done for real and the loop sound would return also.

And Javier Bardem should threaten the world with a massive satellite laser!

Edited by 007RogerMoore, 03 April 2012 - 03:51 PM.

[AMC Hornet]

You forgot to mention that Bardem escapes detection by dressing in drag, a la Blofeld in DAF.

Oh, wait...Craig's doing that.

[007RogerMoore]

Bond is not supposed to be a real agent or human, who bleeds and cries. He is supposed to go around cracking jokes, using gadgets and stopping crazy villians with strong henchmen and a lair with guards in uniform.

[007RogerMoore]

Craig should use Little Nellie.
He should also have a Q-watch with laser, geiger counter, magnet or whatever.
A gadget-laden car should be included in every movie, and a gadget-laden boat would be deeply appreciated.

TMWTGG is the highlight of all things related to the movie industry this far, and always will be.

[Colossus]

I admire your courage Mr.....?

[Rufus Ffolkes]

Unorthodox opinions? Quite a chore to find one that's not already been mentioned here.

My personal bee under the bonnet:
James Bond isn't the role of Sean Connery's career. Harry Flashman is.

Related to that, it's a shame George Macdonald Fraser's writing talents weren't exploited by Eon - I know he did a bit of work on Octopussy, but he could have written some great Bond scripts, as well as some great post-Fleming novels.

Edited by Rufus Ffolkes, 03 April 2012 - 07:22 PM.

[Vauxhall]

Had a sudden breakthrough with THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN this week. I can pick extremely few major issues with it at all now. The only remaining significant gripes I have are the slide-whistle effects on the car stunt, and Britt Ekland. Enjoyed it hugely otherwise.

[glidrose]

Related to that, it's a shame George Macdonald Fraser's writing talents weren't exploited by Eon - I know he did a bit of work on Octopussy, but he could have written some great Bond scripts, as well as some great post-Fleming novels.

Agreed. I think most fans agree. Therefore it's not an unorthodox opinion. Just another bloody lost opportunity in a franchise full of them.

[Miles Miservy]

I absolutely love Moonraker. #2 overall for me.

I don't dispise any Bond film like many fans do. I enjoy them all - some more than others, obviously.

I like Madonna's Die Another Day theme.

I like Moonraker because OO7 becomes one of the only two members of the "250 Mile High Club".

Edited by Miles Miservy, 04 April 2012 - 02:35 PM.

[Messervy]

Had a sudden breakthrough with THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN this week. I can pick extremely few major issues with it at all now. The only remaining significant gripes I have are the slide-whistle effects on the car stunt, and Britt Ekland. Enjoyed it hugely otherwise.

Even JW Pepper?!!!

[glidrose]

I like Moonraker because OO7 becomes one of the only two members of the "250 Mile High Club".

Who is the other one?

[AMC Hornet]

Dr. Holly "Fella She-oh" Goodhead.

[Miles Miservy]

Songs in TWINE should have been reversed. k.d. Lang for the title credits. Miss Crow for the ending.

Those were the singers from TLD.


I think this thread shows us once again how different we all are, yet we all love the Bond films.

I thought K.D. Lang's "Surrender" was campy & mediocre. Sheryl Crow's song had a much more powerful impact. Pity the other song was used for the majority of the film's soundtrack instead of the title track.

I like Moonraker because OO7 becomes one of the only two members of the "250 Mile High Club".

Who is the other one?

Dr. Holly Goodhead, genius.

James Bond isn't the role of Sean Connery's career. Harry Flashman is.

Malcolm McDowell was Flashman.

Perhaps you mean Connery as Danny Dravit in The Man Who Would be King? That film had a lot in common with Royal Flash.

...Unless there's another Flashman film that I (and IMDB) don't know about. I'd be interested in seeing it.

No, I was kidding there, sort of. I know Connery never played Flashman. But he should have, nobody would talk about his Bond any more.

Other than James Bond, Sean Connery's other most significant role has to be Marco Ramius.

[Dustin]

Other than James Bond, Sean Connery's other most significant role has to be Marco Ramius.

Would have been no match to Connery in FLASH FOR FREEDOM/FLASHMAN AND THE REDSKINS I and FLASHMAN AT THE CHARGE/FLASHMAN IN THE GREAT GAME.

Connery IS Flashman!

[AMC Hornet]

Prof. Henry Jones Sr, man.

[Vauxhall]

Had a sudden breakthrough with THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN this week. I can pick extremely few major issues with it at all now. The only remaining significant gripes I have are the slide-whistle effects on the car stunt, and Britt Ekland. Enjoyed it hugely otherwise.

Even JW Pepper?!!!

Fair point. Another irritation, but not in the same league as the others!

[larrythefatcat]

I absolutely love Moonraker. #2 overall for me.

I don't dispise any Bond film like many fans do. I enjoy them all - some more than others, obviously.

I like Madonna's Die Another Day theme.

I like Moonraker because OO7 becomes one of the only two members of the "250 Mile High Club".

There could be two more. Who can really say what Jaws and Dolly did or didn't do immediately after popping that champagne!?


BTW, I'm incredibly surprised that this thread didn't get spammed to bejesus on the 1st!

[Shamelord]

Never Say Never again is the best Bond film ever.

[glidrose]

BTW, I'm incredibly surprised that this thread didn't get spammed to bejesus on the 1st!

Connery's Scottish accent sounds fake.... Moore was too serious.... Connery played the role for laughs.... Timothy Dalton was Mr. Charisma.... Shame Brosnan never had a chance to do a touchy-feely Bond film.... Moonraker was too down-to-earth.... Licence to Kill had too much slapstick.... Eric Serra writes better Bond music than John Barry.... QoS needed tighter editing: my eyes glazed over waiting for the cut to the next shot.... Raymond Benson was the greatest prose stylist the book franchise ever had.... J.W. Pepper deserved a bigger role in TMWTGG, hell, the producers should have brought him back in every subsequent Bond film.... The film TSWLM was too faithful to the novel.... Die Another Day needed more outrageous stunts, like the ones in Dr. No.... Ian Fleming wrote too many Bond novels.... John Gardner didn't write enough.... John Gardner understood Bond better than Ian Fleming.... The films YOLT and DAD had too much realism.... Moore was too young in AVTAK....

OH YEAH, AND. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN IS THE BEST BOND FILM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AMC Hornet]

I think you just put this thread to bed.

But you missed one:

"Tanya Roberts was the best thing to ever happen to the franchise! She should have become a regular partner in subsequent movies!"

T.O.D.: 15:33 MST.

[glidrose]

I think you just put this thread to bed.

But you missed one:

"Tanya Roberts was the best thing to ever happen to the franchise! She should have become a regular partner in subsequent movies!"

I couldn't include that because I do think she was fairly good in AVTAK and therefore underrated. I think I said that several pages back.

[License to Trill]

[greetings to Commander Bond frequenters, first post here]

As James Bond films have such a wide audience, spread across many generations, there are practically no universal heresies, here are couple of opinions that may be unusual to some:

- Dalton's interpretation is great as it is not merely another imitation of great Terence's Young Bond. He's first "nice guy" Bond, old-school gentlemen as it would probably be portrayed by David Niven (should he had played the role).

- Terence Young's 3 bond movies rock! He set up the golden-standard (for better or worse).

- Goldfinger is the first bond film where "grotesque" creeps in. Later, Moore's films are occasionally "grotesque" especially in some action scenes. [when I say "grotesque" I mean self-parody, and not in a good way.] Fortunately "grotesque" was successfully avoided in post-Moore era(s).

- Background music (and especially the bass line) in Lazenby's bond is awesome!

- Moore's Bond has different seduction style then Connery's. Connery's seduction is smooth, but not too smooth (as Moore's appears sometimes). Also, Moore is more of a "peacock" and less of a "bad boy". (BTW, you can learn a lot by observing both. Some of the Moore's approaches and pickups are absolutely hilarious (in a good way).)

- Bond production probably invented "the reboot" although they didn't use the term. Fist Dalton film is perhaps first "reboot" in movie-franchise history (and successful one at that).

- If I would have to cast new Bond, that would be Clive Owen (not associated in any way). For some reason I though "this guy would be a great Bond", while watching one of his films (can't not remember which one).

- "Quantum of Solace" is on of the best Bond titles. Although it's a decent film, you really don't have that "desperation in the air" feel about it.

- Craig's interpretation is not bad all. Keep in mind that screenplay and director, play a major role in character building, no way around that.

- Rene Mathis character (from QOS) is "retired" 00 agent, isn't he. "Retired" considering his earlier duties.

[Colossus]

Terence Young was no stylist.

Be that as it may he is the only Bond director to have been in the military, he FOUGHT in WWII! This life experience is forever imprinted on his psychology to where there's no question why he had a raw brutality in his movies.

[Miles Miservy]

I'd also add that Pierce Brosnan made a much better Bond in "Remington Steele", "The Thomas Crown Affair," "The Tailor of Panama", and even "The Matador", than he did in any of his actual Bond films.

And Dalton was much more Bond-like in the mini-series "Framed" than he was in either of his two outings.

THE TAYLOR OF PANAMA, like any other LaCarre adaptation, moves at the speed of a glacier. And MATADOR was just plain stupid.

I think you just put this thread to bed.

But you missed one:

"Tanya Roberts was the best thing to ever happen to the franchise! She should have become a regular partner in subsequent movies!"

T.O.D.: 15:33 MST.

If you are not on any medication than you SHOULD be.
If you ARE on any medication, then you should up the dose.

BTW, I'm incredibly surprised that this thread didn't get spammed to bejesus on the 1st!

Connery's Scottish accent sounds fake.... Moore was too serious.... Connery played the role for laughs.... Timothy Dalton was Mr. Charisma.... Shame Brosnan never had a chance to do a touchy-feely Bond film.... Moonraker was too down-to-earth.... Licence to Kill had too much slapstick.... Eric Serra writes better Bond music than John Barry.... QoS needed tighter editing: my eyes glazed over waiting for the cut to the next shot.... Raymond Benson was the greatest prose stylist the book franchise ever had.... J.W. Pepper deserved a bigger role in TMWTGG, hell, the producers should have brought him back in every subsequent Bond film.... The film TSWLM was too faithful to the novel.... Die Another Day needed more outrageous stunts, like the ones in Dr. No.... Ian Fleming wrote too many Bond novels.... John Gardner didn't write enough.... John Gardner understood Bond better than Ian Fleming.... The films YOLT and DAD had too much realism.... Moore was too young in AVTAK....

OH YEAH, AND. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN IS THE BEST BOND FILM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glidrose, please do not forget to get your parking validated for "Opposite Day".

One "unorthodox opinion" I have, which I discussed with Zorin a while back (obviously he didn't agree with me...)

I'd like a Bond movie's plot and screenplay written by John LeCarré.

I know, at first hand, it seems to be opposite words (and indeed it is, if you think Tailor Of Panama or Absolute Friends), but if well though-out, a la The Spy Who Came In From The Cold or even bits of Russia House, one could come up with a great plot and tremendous screenplay ideas.

If you want a screenplay that'll put your a55 to sleep.... then John LeCarre is your guy.

[AMC Hornet]

I think you [Glidrose] just put this thread to bed.

But you missed one:

"Tanya Roberts was the best thing to ever happen to the franchise! She should have become a regular partner in subsequent movies!"

T.O.D.: 15:33 MST.

If you are not on any medication than you SHOULD be.
If you ARE on any medication, then you should up the dose.

I was just playing along with Glidrose, Miles. You must be unaware of my real feelings about Ms. Roberts.

My unorthodox opinion is that, after watching her try to play a geologist, I find it comparatively easy to believe Denise Richards as a nuclear physicist. At least there appears to be something going on behind Dr. Jones' eyes.

Edited by AMC Hornet, 27 April 2012 - 06:23 PM.

[Miles Miservy]

Anyone who hasn't read all of Ian Fleming's books should keep their opinions to themselves, since they don't know enough about it to pontificate on whether, for instance, Daniel Craig is better than Sean Connery or whether (for instance) Die Another Day is a better Bond film than Goldfinger. How's that for antagonistic, if not exactly unorthodox?

You seem very angry, but I suppose your post is correct.

It's not easy bein' green.....
with envy.

• Eric Serra's score in GE is very, very good
• There hasn't been a good Bond film almost 2 decades
• Casino Royale is the most overrated film in the franchise

I assume that you've changed your mind about the middle one, since QOS came out, tdalton?

Eric Serra's score at the end of GOLDENEYE is about as misplaced as the Beach Boys' music in AVTAK (...terrible).

QOS does not deserve all the negative attacks it's been getting. If it was such a poor movie than why was it such a financial success?

As for the most OVERATED film in the franchise......., that moniker goes to DAD & DAD alone.

[glidrose]

Terence Young was no stylist.

Be that as it may he is the only Bond director to have been in the military, he FOUGHT in WWII! This life experience is forever imprinted on his psychology to where there's no question why he had a raw brutality in his movies.

You misunderstand. I meant Young's directing technique, which I find creaky and journeyman-like. FYI, Guy Hamilton was in the French Resistance.

[BoogieBond]

I love Moonraker
I don't much care for Licence to Kill
I don't much care for Dr. No either

Roger Moore is my favourite Bond
4 of Rogers Bonds are the strongest of the franchaise(LALD, TSMLM, MR, FYEO) vs 3 for Connery(FRWL,GF,TB)
Although not a favourite, DAF is a damn entertaining film, so watchable. Extremely Bondian

Edited by BoogieBond, 04 May 2012 - 06:59 PM.

[Golden Claw]

1) My two most favourite Bond movies are Licence To Kill and Doctor No.

2) My favourite Rodge movie is TMWTGG but I consider Live And Let Die to be his best movie.

3) TWINE is my favourite Bond movie. LALD & TWINE rank 7th & 8th on my list.

4) I give TSWLM an F-grade; until now, the only Bond movie that put me to sleep. Ranks at the bottom of my list, along with DAD, Moonraker, & AVTAK. As overrated as Goldfinger.

5) Jaws is the most overrated henchman.

6) Brad Whitaker & Koskov are among my most favourite Bond villains, along with Elektra King.

7) Nick Nack is my most favourite henchman. I like Wint & Kidd as well.

8) Kara Milovy is my favourite Bond girl.

8) I like Fatima Blush (NSNA) more than Fiona Volpe (Thunderball).