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[maxsterling]

It up beat like a view to a kill and has the same tempo as man with the golden gun. Besides Cheryl Crow, there hasen't really been a great bond song. This is alot better than die another day(any bond song better than that one). As an Audioslave fan, I was jonesing for this song to drop. This is a great theme song, in fact this now one of my favorite bond songs. Here's my personal top five list:

1-A View to a Kill-Duran Duran

2-For Your Eyes only-Sheena Eston

3-You Know My Name-Audioslave

4-Diamonds Are Forever-Shirley Bassy

5-Live and Let Die-Paul McCartney and the wings

I posted this list to give you idea of my taste in bond songs, so if this is an agreeable list to you, than "You Know My Name" is the song for you. On a down side, this song might have been even better if John Barry was involved.

[Joyce Carrington]

Could it be that this song may be growing on me? I'm confused. I don't like it. Is this just blind Bond fandom smothering my taste? What's happening?

*hands Dunph a cold compress*

Breathe, dear. Breathe.

It's just a song. Nothing wrong with either hating or liking it.

[tapalapadapa]

But how are they going to fit Chris Cornell's lesbian fencing instructor cameo into the film?

Edited by tapalapadapa, 26 September 2006 - 11:20 PM.

[gkgyver]

It's if it can be objectively "proven" to be of a certain subjective quality. Which it can't. By definition. And common sense.

Point missed.
Read my previous posts and think again.

It's not about subjective quality, it's about objective musical quality, which (believe it or not, what do I care) can be proven.
It's about objective quality and how every individual person perceives it.

The song is poor, musically; or may it only be because it sounds so much like other stuff out there, although it really should be at least a *little* unique.

[Publius]

Point missed.
Read my previous posts and think again.

Point understood. Point still wrong. Try again.

It's not about subjective quality, it's about objective musical quality, which (believe it or not, what do I care) can be proven.
It's about objective quality and how every individual person perceives it.

You have so far been unable to prove such a thing as "objective musical quality" (I don't hold it against you, it doesn't exist). Everything you've put forth are technical details that you then placed a value of "good" on, thereby making it a well-formed opinion (and I applaud you for that). But still, an opinion just the same.

The song is poor, musically; or may it only be because it sounds so much like other stuff out there, although it really should be at least a *little* unique.

"Should be". The very essence of subjectivity.

[littlenellie]

Perhaps gkgyver can fill us in on is own background.
this is what i can surmise by reading his posts:
he is a trained musician,he knows technically about music theory.He can tell tell us why the music that is technically written, correctly and constructed musically is 'good', and why music that is technically poorly constructed is 'bad' music .
Where does Lygetti fit into this, or Stockhausen? Do you thinkthat the people who hate this music because they just hear a load of noise,crashes and bangs are in fact wrong,that they should like it because of its brilliant construction ?

I think you miss the point totally, some people obviously love this song and it doesnt matter a jot whether its brilliantly constructed musically or not.The Times they are a changing by Dylan is hardly brilliant music but what a song ( not that I am comparing YKMN with that, neither do I compare it to Mozart).
Could paul mcartney answer your music theory quiz? Could Dylan,Bowie etc? Lionel bart couldnt read music and wrote From Russia with Love.How do you explain that ?


are you angry ? you sound angry ? Do you think you should be more succesful in your musical career? are you more succesful ? Who are you and what do you do ?We dont know, its interesting.
i wonder if Shakespeare couldnt spell it would make him any less of a storyteller?

[ACE]

I don't think people should get personal. Let's not try to analyze each other in these forums.

But I am intrigued by gkgyver's musical knowledge and do want to know which are the good Bond songs and which are the bad ones. I don't have any musical expertise so would be interested to hear from an expert.

I think gkgyver should be given the chance to explain how it all works.

[SecretAgentFan]

Yes, that would be interesting to hear about. But I predict that no Bond song really is "good music".

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Guys, its pointless trying to get him to explain what makes good music, because there is no formula. I'm not pretending to be a master, but I do know some music theory knowledge, but that doesn't make me more qualified to say what is good and what is bad. The whole point of music is that its interpretive; a composer does not expect to have the same song recieved the same way by different people.

gkgyver could tell you what technically makes a good song, but then John Barry could come along and tell you the oposite.

[Thunderfinger]

If I wrote and recorded the new song, I

[Publius]

[quote name='Thunderfinger' post='615636' date='27 September 2006 - 12:21']
If I wrote and recorded the new song, I

[littlenellie]

sorry didnt mean it personally,just curious.

[Thunderfinger]

[quote name='Publius' post='615652' date='27 September 2006 - 18:58']
[quote name='Thunderfinger' post='615636' date='27 September 2006 - 12:21']
If I wrote and recorded the new song, I

[Simon]

But how are they going to fit Chris Cornell's lesbian fencing instructor cameo into the film?

I'll give you that one.

Lol.

[gkgyver]

are you angry ? you sound angry ? Do you think you should be more succesful in your musical career? are you more succesful ? Who are you and what do you do ?We dont know, its interesting.
i wonder if Shakespeare couldnt spell it would make him any less of a storyteller?

Thank god I know which criticism I should take serious.

[HildebrandRarity]

You Know My Name with it's lyrical undertones of odds/winning/games/spin-of-the-wheel, betrayal, being alone/on your own and death/dying/killing coupled with it's hauntingly meloncholy yet rugged delivery is precisely the combo that was needed for Casino Royale.

I'm sure it will 'sound' good enough and interesting enough over the titles sequence. Musically and lyrically it seems as 'hard hitting' as DC's likely interpretation of JB in CR.

It's a decent Bond song and "better", i.m.o. than TMWTGG, TLD, TND and TWINE in terms of 'rock act' songs in almost every way.

It certainly has WAY more energy than the weak Moonraker and pu$$y-ish All Time High (which seemed like pale wanabees of the beautiful YOLT and the fantastic DAF).

Further, the lyrics are infinitely superior to the embarrasing words of AVTAK (although i do like what Duran Duran and Barry did with it musically).

In addition, DAD wasnt exactly a 'Bond' song per se, but they were able to really hit a home run with it within the movie itself during Kleinmann's titles.

Lastly, Nobody Does It Better may be a nice little song, BUT it, in the end, remains an American Country~ish song and a Bond song should NEVER be 'American Country~ish' again.

Rank for YKMN within Eon Bond canon:

--- anywhere from 9 to 13 out of 21

(better than TMWTGG, MR, ATH, TLD, LTK, GoldenEye, TND, TWINE i.m.o.)

(not as good as TJB Theme, FRWL, Goldfinger, YOLT, OHMSS, DAF, LALD, FYEO,

Overall rank:

--- 7.5 out of 10

Rank as a title sequence piece within Bond:

--- I'll let you know November 17.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 01 October 2006 - 04:17 PM.

[Mercator]

I think it is silly to say that you cannot measure art. Of course you can. Look at the Oscars and the Grammys. The best art wins here. Also look at box office and sales - another measurement. I agree with gkgyver's point that there is an objective standard by which to measure quality. If people do not have the knowledge to do so, it is not gkgyver's fault. After all, as many people have said, if the wrote a song, it would not be very good so that is the point. Bond must have standards and they are the highest.

[TonicBH]

I've heard the song thanks to AOL Radio. It's a generic rock song that doesn't work in a Bond film. I mean, Sheryl Crow's Tomorrow Never Dies was a good song, but this is... eh.

Dear EON: Orchestra is what makes a Bond song a Bond song. Without it, it's a generic pop/rock song over the titles. Not good.

[Harmsway]

Dear EON: Orchestra is what makes a Bond song a Bond song. Without it, it's a generic pop/rock song over the titles. Not good.

But "You Know My Name" *has* orchestra.

[Publius]

I think it is silly to say that you cannot measure art. Of course you can. Look at the Oscars and the Grammys. The best art wins here. Also look at box office and sales - another measurement. I agree with gkgyver's point that there is an objective standard by which to measure quality. If people do not have the knowledge to do so, it is not gkgyver's fault. After all, as many people have said, if the wrote a song, it would not be very good so that is the point. Bond must have standards and they are the highest.

So there's no politics involved in award shows? And bad movies always lose money while good ones always make a lot?

Besides, even unanimous agreement from "experts" and the masses alike still does NOT make the "quality" of art objectively measurable (unlike its technical details), and therefore can't be fact. And as we've seen, such a consensus is far from being the case with YKMN (or anything else, for that matter) anyway.

I can't understand why some people insist on pointing either to those with a framed piece of paper that says they're special-er than everyone else a degree or to "popular opinion" (as reflected in such easily manipulated nonsense as surveys and commercial figures) as evidence that their opinion is universal truth.

Look, value judgments are subjective (by definition, might I add), so get over it. If it were otherwise, there wouldn't be much in the way of "bad" art, would there? Go ahead and hate what you want to, but let's just drop these imperialistic tendencies, shall we?

[hoagy]

just listened to it
simply awful
utterly undistinguished
lame !
lamer than the pathetic wastes of talent when garbage, kd lang (should have had main titles), sheryl crow, tina turner and u2's bono (who wrote) were mis-used, and that's REALLY saying something
i strongly hope they would not be against eating crow somewhat and changing it NOW before the film comes out
i cannot say enough about how boring and undistinguished this "song" sounds
words fail me, as they did those who wrote and performed the song, albeit in different way
so awfully generic
l a m e !

[HildebrandRarity]

just listened to it
simply awful
utterly undistinguished
lame !
lamer than the pathetic wastes of talent when garbage, kd lang (should have had main titles), sheryl crow, tina turner and u2's bono (who wrote) were mis-used, and that's REALLY saying something
i strongly hope they would not be against eating crow somewhat and changing it NOW before the film comes out
i cannot say enough about how boring and undistinguished this "song" sounds
words fail me, as they did those who wrote and performed the song, albeit in different way
so awfully generic
l a m e !

Would you enlighten us and tell us which Bond songs are better both musically and lyrically?

[littlenellie]

[quote name='HildebrandRarity' date='7 October 2006 - 14:16' post='622085']
[quote name='hoagy' post='620621' date='5 October 2006 - 00:13']
just listened to it

I listened to it a few weeks ago

simply awful
I love it


utterly undistinguished
I can tell what it is the minute it starts, distinguishing it from many if not all other songs

lame !

Not lame !!

lamer than the pathetic wastes of talent when garbage, kd lang (should have had main titles), sheryl crow, tina turner and u2's bono (who wrote) were mis-used, and that's REALLY saying something

Its certainly saying something,im not sure what... that those acts wasted talent on their songs, or Eon wasted it by getting them to do the songs they did?

i strongly hope they would not be against eating crow somewhat and changing it NOW before the film comes out
i cannot say enough about how boring and undistinguished this "song" sounds

I find this "song" interesting and distinguished.

words fail me, as they did those who wrote and performed the song, albeit in different way

The lyrics are great, no word failure there.


so awfully generic

generic..... Bond songs ?? (It has to have orchestra,it has to sound a certain way etc) surely not...
l a m e !

Not Lame !!

[/quote]

Taste is a strange thing.

[Thunderfinger]

Taste is lame.

[TonicBH]

After I gave this another listen, I think I realized that my first assumption was correct: This doesn't really have that "Bondian" sound. The song itself is good, but it doesn't have that flair, that style that a James Bond song has always had. Well, ALMOST always had... TND and DAD prime examples of a non-Bondian song, but they're alright songs.

This song could be applied to any kind of film, it doesn't sound really "unique", it sounds like something you could put into the next superhero movie and nobody would notice.

And I was wrong in finding it has orchestra. Unless synthetic trumpets and strings going off don't count as "orchestra".

[Vauxhall]

So, here are the updated lyrics from the new version of 'You Know My Name'. Not many changes, but I've highlighted them nonetheless:

If you take a life
Do you know what you'll give?
Odds are you won't like what it is

When the storm arrives
Would you be seen with me?
By the merciless eyes I've deceived

I've seen angels fall from blinding heights
But you yourself are nothing so divine
Just next in line

Arm yourself because no-one else here will save you
The odds will betray you
And I will replace you
You can't deny the prize, it may never fulfil you
It longs to kill you
Are you willing to die?
The coldest blood runs through my veins
You know my name

If you come inside
Things will not be the same
When you return to the night

If you think you've won
You never saw me change
The game that we have been playing

I've seen this diamond cut through harder men
Then you yourself, but if you must pretend
You may meet your end

Arm yourself because no-one else here will save you
The odds will betray you
And I will replace you
You can't deny the prize, it may never fulfil you
It longs to kill you
Are you willing to die?
The coldest blood runs through my veins

Try to hide your hand
Forget how to feel (forget how to feel)
Life is gone
With just a spin of the wheel (spin of the wheel)

Arm yourself because no-one else here will save you
The odds will betray you
And I will replace you
You can't deny the prize, it may never fulfil you
It longs to kill you
Are you ready to die?
The coldest blood runs through my veins

You know my name (x6)

[JimmyBond]

My favorite line from the song: "The game that we have been playing," is now sung differently. In the other version Cornell really hits the high note while singing it, here? Not so much. That is my only disappointment about this version. Otherwise it's pretty decent.

[HildebrandRarity]

Truly one of the greatest Bond songs...right up there with You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, Live And Let Die, Nobody Does It Better and A View To A Kill with the lyrics being superior to almost anything since DAF or even Goldfinger.

[Tman]

Is it just me, or is it a bit odd that this song isnt about "Casino Royale" per say....take TWINE or any of the Pierce movies. All the songs have the title of the movie (goldeneye, TND, etc..)

why* do you think the title is different this time around?

Edited by Tman, 19 October 2006 - 11:52 PM.

[JimmyBond]

All Time High has nothing to do with Octopussy. So what's the big deal?