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[JCRendle]

True - but we have been saying for a while that you cant get it online - yep that site was a joke, but still - back on topic: I love seeing clips that i remember from the script

[Matt_13]

Hey me too! It just cool actually seeing it, and knowing what it is and what role it plays. It's a cool feeling.

[JimmyBond]

I'm actually surprised how closely they've stuck with the script. Especially considering all the changes between the TWINE first draft and the final product.

[Jericho_One]

Well, that over the top ending really got me hooked, even more than what
I already was.
Looking good, looking very good.

[Harmsway]

Well, I haven't read the script, but since I don't mind even extreme spoilers I'll ask a few questions, open, of course, to anyone who's read it:

- What do you like best about it?

The characterization of 007. Craig should have no trouble making this Bond an absolute delight to watch, especially for us Bond fans who love Fleming's Bond.

- What do you like least?

About 10% of the dialogue is somewhat questionable (it might be and probably is less than 10%, but it feels that way in my memory), and by questionable, I don't mean that 10% of the dialogue is cringeworthy innuendo. Nothing could be further from the truth since this film really cut down on that stuff, and to be quite honest, I'm being pretty nitpicky here.

I just mean that some of the dialogue isn't exactly fluid - a little clunky in places, and awkward in some others. Thankfully none of it is excruciatingly bad and how it will play ultimately depends on delivery and overall context. It seems that dialogue has been tweaked in rewrites anyhow (the dialogue was polished when seen in clips, and those who allegedly read later drafts commented a lot of the leftover P&W nonsense had been removed).

- Is Haggis' input obvious, in other words, does the script make you think "Oh, wow, they've definitely got a real pro in this time round"?

Well, from the view of someone who's read the numerous drafts from the Brosnan films, I can definitely say "yes" in the sense that it's clear that this is above what we've gotten before in the Brosnan era.

Let me say this (and this is from someone who really likes the script) - the script is somewhat inconsistent in that there are a few moments throughout that are a little off. There are many brilliant moments that make me feel like Haggis authored them 100%, and there are a few places that feel like they were leftovers from P&W (but still among the better stuff P&W would ever have written for Bond, for what it's worth). And I'd even say you'd be hard pressed to find a Bond film from 1969 onwards that didn't feature some inconsistent moments like that in some way, so I think CASINO ROYALE is in pretty good company (and the weaker stuff in CASINO ROYALE is hardly "bad" - just a few moments that could use with a touch-up of sorts).

The good far outweighs the bad for CASINO ROYALE and from what I understand, the script was improved even more from December. I know a great many of the changes that were made since then, and a lot of them were great, so I'm holding out hope that CASINO ROYALE will be even better than the pretty solid script I've read (and undoubtedly the good cast will elevate the material they're given as well).

[Vauxhall]

I've been hoping that a thread such as this would be created! I love the script, I really do. Irrespective of the finished product, the fact that I've seen this draft has shown me that the potential for a really great Bond movie was already there. If the script is followed, if Campbell is imaginative yet solid in his directing, and if Craig is as strong a presence as he promises to be, then this *should* be one of the greatest movies. Although, admittedly there are a lot of "ifs" in that sentence!

The story is excellent, and hopefully all the questionable bits of dialogue from December 2005 will have been ironed out by now. However, there are very few (if any) cheesey and cliched Bond type moments - no sliding down mountains on a cello, no double-taking pigeons and not a laser in sight! This is a serious, gritty film well balanced with witty moments and dialogue inserted. I most look forward to the introductory scenes between Bond and Vesper which are some of the best written scenes in the movie, and then, of course, the final scene of CASINO ROYALE - which should grow to become one of the iconic moments for the newer generation of Bond fans.

[JCRendle]

I've been hoping that a thread such as this would be created!

But were too lazy to do one yourself eh

[David Schofield]

Might be nice if some more of us could join in....

...but that would depend on us being able to read this mythical - magical - script.

Anyone care to help???

[Vauxhall]

I've been hoping that a thread such as this would be created!

But were too lazy to do one yourself eh

Haha - yes exactly To be fair, I shared the same concerns as JimmyBond - that it may cause problems with regards to too much potentially copyrighted information being shared on a public forum.

I'm just excited about the fact that I got the chance to read a version of the script in an earlier form. I believe it will make the viewing experience all the more enjoyable in November because I will be able to see how the scenes have progressed and changed over the last few months. I just hope that some of the weaker lines of dialogue have been ironed out, but even still, it will be much stronger a script than we've seen in the recent past.

[JCRendle]

But it's not copyright unless we actually give sections of the script - I don't think anyones going to do that knowing what happened with the Die Another Day script.

[Bondesque]

What changes, specifically, have been made to the December draft? Anything of note?

[JCRendle]

Um, maybe a couple of lines are said differently (like the exchange between Bond and Le Chiffre in the recent video), but I haven't seen many major differences.

[Harmsway]

Um, maybe a couple of lines are said differently (like the exchange between Bond and Le Chiffre in the recent video), but I haven't seen many major differences.

There's a number of changes that we know of that have been made since the December draft.

Dialogue has at least been somewhat tweaked. We know of a few minor instances of polishing, but reports indicate greater changes for other scenes.

Felix Leiter has been inserted into the script, presumably replacing a CIA agent character in the December draft named Wolpert.

The action scene at the Miami airport has been tweaked some.

The car chase has been drastically modified from the December draft (and IMO, much for the better).

Some of the scenes with Vesper and Bond in the latter third of the film has been modified.

[Monsieur B]

The one thing that I wish to comment on regarding the script (which is a very good read indeed) is how Purvis & Wade (& Haggis?) altered Mathis' character. I like his character in the books and was looking forward to having another recurring ally in future Bond films. I suppose that shall not be the case now.

Perhaps the explanation behind

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Le Chiffre calling Mathis after the chase to inform him that Bond has been captured

could be given in the next film (as a quick snippet of dialogue perhaps on an inquiry of Bond's to M). Maybe it was an act of intimidation? Maybe Bond was reading too far into everything?

I understand that

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Mathis' arrest of the Police Chief was to enstill Le Chiffre's bribed Deputy in power (rather than get rid of the crooked Chief as Mathis explained).

I guess I just refuse to believe that

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Mathis was a bad guy.

I'd be interested to know what you guys think about that.

By the way, I wasn't sure if i should have inserted spoiler tags or not on something this revealing, so I just did so anyway. Sorry in they weren't necessary.

[JCRendle]

Yea - I never believed

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he was a traitor

.

[Monsieur B]

Yes, that came as a shock. I thought his character was really interesting as he seemed quite faithful to his character in the book how he had the edge on the opposition because he knew things. Examples of such being

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the arrest of the Police Chief and the discovery of the Obanno and his Lieutenant in the trunk of Leo's car;

the latter of which could defend Mathis' character.

Edited by Monsieur B, 07 August 2006 - 04:28 PM.

[JCRendle]

In the book Vesper is tells Bond she is going outside to see Mathis because of a note - in the film

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its through the phonecall

could it be the same kind of situation, not really him

[Matt_13]

Glad you enjoyed it Monsieur Belanger.

Was just giving it another look and one scene I think will get a huge amount of laughs is the one

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where Bond is mistaken to be a valet by the Fat German and in turn crashes his Jaguar into the wooden railing in the parking area after being treated with disrespect, setting off twelve car alarms and getting the German all pissed off.

That will be classic!

[DamnCoffee]

From what i undersand Eon will be trying to modernise it

[Monsieur B]

Haha! Yes, I thought that scene was pretty funny, but also sly in the way

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Bond used the alarms as a distraction to slip into the security room.

And Matt_13, thanks again!

Edited by Monsieur B, 07 August 2006 - 04:45 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

In the book Vesper is tells Bond she is going outside to see Mathis because of a note - in the film

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its through the phonecall

could it be the same kind of situation, not really him

Eon will be just trying to Modernise CR a little to bring it into the 21st century

[Matt_13]

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[Monsieur B]

Well, I think he means how in the book, the forged note was on paper and how in the film the note was in the form of a text message on a cellphone. Though I thought it quite unusual on the abundacy of cellphone use in this movie.

[Matt_13]

Me too! It seemed a little like "24" with Jack Bauer being very dependent on his phone. Bond does seem very dependent on M.

Edited by Matt_13, 07 August 2006 - 04:53 PM.

[JCRendle]

In a way its not surprising - to the modern spy, a mobile phone is a very useful "gadget"

[Matt_13]

Good point. But I mean the whole

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ellipses

thing on the phone, Bonds clever use of Dimitrios's phone, it's just that on paper it seems like a bit much.

[Jericho_One]

Glad you enjoyed it Monsieur Belanger.

Was just giving it another look and one scene I think will get a huge amount of laughs is the one

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where Bond is mistaken to be a valet by the Fat German and in turn crashes his Jaguar into the wooden railing in the parking area after being treated with disrespect, setting off twelve car alarms and getting the German all pissed off.

That will be classic!

Nice move. Guess that will be space for some humour after all.
Not bad.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Could someone attach the script here please?

[Monsieur B]

Heh, yeah right! That would surely spark a legal wrangle.

To quote Bryce: 'No, really.'

Edited by Monsieur B, 08 August 2006 - 07:17 PM.

[JimmyBond]

Could someone attach the script here please?

How many times does it have to be said? Don't ask for the script, no one who has it is at liberty to give it out.