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[marktmurphy]

Most people doesnt see the difference betwen the real locations, only a few hardcore fans.

Do You really think that EON spend millions dollars for some fans?

I think a lot of doubling works, but DAD didn't. I may not have been to the Korean coast, but I know Cornwall when I see it, and that didn't make me think it was exciting and exotic.

[cletus van damme]

Most people doesnt see the difference betwen the real locations, only a few hardcore fans.

Do You really think that EON spend millions dollars for some fans?

thats a crazy idea...location shooting isn't about hard core fans its about realism and evoking a feel, Mission IMpossible used Prague to good effect, Bourne PAris and Moscow and I would take either Bourne film over DAD ....any day....

people travel more now, they watch far more travel programmes, they see home videos of foreign locales, it is more difficult to fool people....Montenegro is a very distinctive place, very tranquil with a very distinctive coast line, which is why i am abit worried about them not filming there, though I assume they will do some second or third unit stuff over the coast line...to get the right 'feel'....

and if you knew anything about film production you would realise shooting on location that ISn't the location you're supposed to be in is actually quite costly, hence the close quarter camera work and the rather obvious touches...BOurne makes full use of the locales, the characters are clearly where they are supposed to be...

the second unit stuff should be okay for Montengro and Madagascar,,,I will hope they have the sense to do that given how press attention has been given to WHERE they are...

[Colonel Moon]

So watch bourne films.

i dont care if locations are real or doubled

[cletus van damme]

So watch bourne films.

i dont care if locations are real or doubled

good comeback!!

Brocolli and co. have already accepted they have to improve as a result of BOURNE.

Direct shallow comments to her or come up with a supporting argument that spending money on locations is

1. Only for hard core fans

2. not something EON needs to be concerned with.

I made an argument as I have on other threads that BOND needs to set the industry standard, yet people seem uncomfortable with the general idea that BOND needs to change. ...for the better. The stunts for the most part have lagged behind other productions. The 60s was the hey day for BOND in terms of quality of production (and is supported by most BOND fans I would argue unless you want to suggest another era)...and yet th reasons for the 60s being the zenith of BOND films are never explored. ....WHY?

Its a shame you can't engage in this debate.

[marktmurphy]

Montenegro is a very distinctive place, very tranquil with a very distinctive coast line, which is why i am abit worried about them not filming there, though I assume they will do some second or third unit stuff over the coast line...to get the right 'feel'....

Yes, do agree with this- to film a coastal location in an inland city does worry me, slightly (!)- I'm hoping for some establishing shots too. Is the Lake Como location supposed to be Lake Como or is that doubling?

[Vauxhall]

Is the Lake Como location supposed to be Lake Como or is that doubling?

Bit of both I think. As far as I know, it's mostly meant to be Lake Como. There's a small reference to the lake in the script, but I'm not sure if it will actually be referred to in dialogue.

[Royal Dalton]

Apparently, they're filming at Black Park in a couple of weeks. Inserts for the Lake Como scenes, perhaps?

[scottright]

The problem with location shooting - especially the kind of ambitious location shooting that the Bond films require - is the extraordinary cost of doing so. "GoldenEye" spent precious little time in Russia because it was simply too expensive to shoot anything but second unit there (that said, the production design in "GE" is excellent - it's hard to tell the difference between the backlot at Leavesden and the streets of St. Petersburg). It's one thing to shoot a simple foot or car chase in a foreign city - it's quite another to drive a tank or a hovercraft through it.

The "location doubling" became a significant issue during the Brosnan Era because of the massive jump in the cost involved in making movies. These costs go beyond the actual production to include catering, insurance, security, etc. These added expenses make shooting in exotic locales like Cuba, Iceland, and Korea (in "Die Another Day") logistically out of the question. Heck, "Casino Royale" didn't film in Capetown, because of the trememdous expense involved in doing so - and that's one of the few places where the dollar is strong.

But, you know what...I miss the real location work. Part of the magic of a James Bond movie was that it took you to far off places like India, Japan, and Turkey. More often than not, they'd show you the best stuff too. I had one of the great evenings of my life at Maiden's Tower in Istanbul - and had I not seen it in TWINE, I doubt I would have taken the time to ask about it (it's a terrific restaurant...but for the life of me, I couldn't find the submarine base anywhere...haha). My hope is that the production team are able to capture the flavor of places like Madagascar and Montengro...which is certainly possible.

After all, Bogart and Bergman shot "Casablanca" entirely in California.

[DaveBond21]

Royal Dalton, are you joking when you say that they are filming in Black Park???

If it is true, I am going to get very excited!!!!

[Dmitri Mishkin]

The problem with location shooting - especially the kind of ambitious location shooting that the Bond films require - is the extraordinary cost of doing so. "GoldenEye" spent precious little time in Russia because it was simply too expensive to shoot anything but second unit there (that said, the production design in "GE" is excellent - it's hard to tell the difference between the backlot at Leavesden and the streets of St. Petersburg). It's one thing to shoot a simple foot or car chase in a foreign city - it's quite another to drive a tank or a hovercraft through it.

The "location doubling" became a significant issue during the Brosnan Era because of the massive jump in the cost involved in making movies. These costs go beyond the actual production to include catering, insurance, security, etc. These added expenses make shooting in exotic locales like Cuba, Iceland, and Korea (in "Die Another Day") logistically out of the question. Heck, "Casino Royale" didn't film in Capetown, because of the trememdous expense involved in doing so - and that's one of the few places where the dollar is strong.

But, you know what...I miss the real location work. Part of the magic of a James Bond movie was that it took you to far off places like India, Japan, and Turkey. More often than not, they'd show you the best stuff too. I had one of the great evenings of my life at Maiden's Tower in Istanbul - and had I not seen it in TWINE, I doubt I would have taken the time to ask about it (it's a terrific restaurant...but for the life of me, I couldn't find the submarine base anywhere...haha). My hope is that the production team are able to capture the flavor of places like Madagascar and Montengro...which is certainly possible.

After all, Bogart and Bergman shot "Casablanca" entirely in California.

Nicely written post, scottright. Your point about the cost of location filming being prohibitively expensive nowadays certainly makes sense. What I'm interested in knowing, however, is how do films like BOURNE (yes, yet another reference to it) appear to incorporate locations such as India, Moscow, Berlin and Paris in such extensive fashion? You would think that the amount of filming done in those movies would be extremely expensive. Of course, star salaries probably had something to do with the Brosnan era's relative lack of location work.

[cletus van damme]

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Nicely written post, scottright. Your point about the cost of location filming being prohibitively expensive nowadays certainly makes sense. What I'm interested in knowing, however, is how do films like BOURNE (yes, yet another reference to it) appear to incorporate locations such as India, Moscow, Berlin and Paris in such extensive fashion? You would think that the amount of filming done in those movies would be extremely expensive. Of course, star salaries probably had something to do with the Brosnan era's relative lack of location work.
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good question. I think has alot to do with second unt stuff. Alot of the 'feel' is evoked by good shots of the city where the stars would not have been present. All the car chases in BOURNE are second unit. Shots of the stars are carefulyl interwoven with the real city...if you look at Oceans 12 they do a pretty piss poor job of evoking AMsterdam cos they have to marshal alot of talent so they choose maybe two areas, two street scenes, the rest is done iin a studio and is poorer for it. ..

the indian street scenes in BOURNE are very clever ...although look carefully and you can see some of the locals looking at the camera...

Ronin is a good example of a thriller evoking the feel of the locations. ...although DeNiro is hardly 'there' actuall yin PAris and the South of France...so again a good second unit and good editing with an intention to make the location a character...

BOND has always made BOND, his women, his gadgets the central focus, and i think they realise they have to have another approach. They put a lot of effort into those but not the locations. They spent millions equipping those ASTONS for 4X4 action in DAD ( and to be honest it is not that exciting) ....
I think it usually means the stars have to some work and be prepared to spend time on location rather than fly in and out as they usually do.....CR looks as though they are doing this...

[DaveBond21]

The locations in the trailer of CR make it look quite a bit like Thunderball with an element of LTK.

It looks like a summery Bond.

[Mathis05]

I for one (partially because i live in a suburb of it) would love t see Bond come to Chicago...at least a small scene, but The Windy City is such a fantastic film city and is on the uprise once again for film locales

[DaveBond21]

I would like to see a fight on the Sydney Harbour Bridge!!!

[cletus van damme]

exciting though that would be BUT given DC fighting on a crane and Moore on the golden Gate they have to find areas to fight in ...Bourne in the BERLIN dining room with a magazine and then previously in the PARIS office with Biro Pen...was far more excting then alot of movies which claim they are action films..locations don't matter if they are REAL or look REAL

[hcmv007]

I like and prefer the real locations. For example-the movie Dallas is in pre-production status, so you think the producers would be filming buildings in Dallas, or even scouting locations in Dallas? Nope. They are scouting buildings in downtwon Baton Rouge to shoot. WTF? I understand the need for movie productions to save money, but sheesh! I prefer the real locations, but if the country won't let you do it, then I would be fine with alternate locations being used as the real thing.

[Broadsword]

at least they are in the country where they purport to be..(!!) which is more than we can say for some Bond stuff...

[cletus van damme]

didn't you guys get wrecked last year?

is there still stuff around that can look like Dallas stuff?

sorry ...maybe we should move to a DALLAS forum website....is John TRavolta knocking around?

[JimmyBond]

Nothing happend to Dallas, get your facts straight. It was New Orleans in Louisiana.

[Broadsword]

Jimmybond get your hand bag away young man,,,if you read the posts you will see Cletus was talking about BAton ROuge which DID get wrecked.... and IS where they are filming for the Dallas film.

hence the questions

[DaveBond21]

You all seem quite comfortable with the fact that they are even making a "Dallas" movie.


The thought makes me feel a bit queasy......

[Santa]

Are you kidding?! I can't wait for the Dallas movie. Bring on Dynasty next!

[Simon]

Oh dear!

[Broadsword]

If you look at the pics of how Lazenby looks now ..he would make a great Blake Carrington..

no Joke!

[Colonel Moon]

what about eton pretending pakistan

[marktmurphy]

Or Millbrook playing, well, wherever that is. Italian Alps?

[Royal Dalton]

Royal Dalton, are you joking when you say that they are filming in Black Park???

If it is true, I am going to get very excited!!!!

I wasn't joking, Dave. They're supposed to be shooting there this week.

[Vauxhall]

Royal Dalton, are you joking when you say that they are filming in Black Park???

If it is true, I am going to get very excited!!!!

I wasn't joking, Dave. They're supposed to be shooting there this week.

They seem to like Black Park - filmed Bond films there a couple of times before I believe. Must almost be close to the end of principal photography too one would imagine. Have you any idea what they will be shooting there?

[DaveBond21]

They have filmed at Black Park before???

Which Bond scenes were filmed there?


I used to live near Slough and Windsor, and so I went there a couple of times, for walks, and to feed the ducks!

[AgentPB]

I can never tell if a scene is shot in the country it is supposed to be in. But i do prefer the locations to LOOK exotic at least. I would take bBond in the Keys or some snowy mountian over Kentucky any day. I really don't like plain looking countryside, case in point the driving scene in GF where Bond is trailing Goldfinger through europe is nothing great to look at!