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[Bon-san]

I hate Craig, but I'm trying to judge him right. And you know what? After this trailer my believes in that he's the worst Bond ever only became stronger. No... He's acting and looking so bad, that he can't even be called Bond. Just... Oh, who's this pathetic guy and what's he doing in the Bond trailer anyway?

He's a guy with a life who doesn't have to post as "The Beast" on the Internet to berate movies he hasn't seen yet.

Ouch.

Perhaps it's Kelsey Grammar, and he's peeved at not getting an audition for Bond.

[Publius]

I hate Craig, but I'm trying to judge him right. And you know what? After this trailer my believes in that he's the worst Bond ever only became stronger. No... He's acting and looking so bad, that he can't even be called Bond. Just... Oh, who's this pathetic guy and what's he doing in the Bond trailer anyway?

He's a guy with a life who doesn't have to post as "The Beast" on the Internet to berate movies he hasn't seen yet.

Ouch.

Perhaps it's Kelsey Grammar, and he's peeved at not getting an audition for Bond.

Best laugh I've had in a while.

If it is Frasier, I bet he got turned away because he wouldn't cut it in the action scenes. After all, he's so corpulent that when he sits around the magnificently appointed Tuscan villa, he sits around the magnificently appointed Tuscan villa.

[luciusgore]

I hate Craig, but I'm trying to judge him right. And you know what? After this trailer my believes in that he's the worst Bond ever only became stronger. No... He's acting and looking so bad, that he can't even be called Bond. Just... Oh, who's this pathetic guy and what's he doing in the Bond trailer anyway?

He's a guy with a life who doesn't have to post as "The Beast" on the Internet to berate movies he hasn't seen yet.

People certainly have the right to rip Casino Royale from the teaser, which I personally thought was good. It's interesting how upset some people are getting from the reaction many people are having to Craig. Definitely the most controversial Bond pick since ... Lazenby perhaps. There are people who hate him, and people (particularly on this board) who get up in arms when his selection is criticized.

[Dr. Noah]

People certainly have the right to rip Casino Royale from the teaser, which I personally thought was good. It's interesting how upset some people are getting from the reaction many people are having to Craig. Definitely the most controversial Bond pick since ... Lazenby perhaps. There are people who hate him, and people (particularly on this board) who get up in arms when his selection is criticized.

And people have the right on a Bond fan forum to respond that they're tired of crap like "After this trailer my believes in that he's the worst Bond ever only became stronger. No... He's acting and looking so bad, that he can't even be called Bond. Just... Oh, who's this pathetic guy and what's he doing in the Bond trailer anyway?"

[Loomis]

It's interesting how upset some people are getting from the reaction many people are having to Craig. ... There are people ... (particularly on this board) who get up in arms when his selection is criticized.

I think it's because the "haters" seem much more sweeping in their statements than the "supporters". The supporters - and I myself am one - are generally quite happy to concede that Craig is a risky choice in some ways, and will even air their reservations about him (which, since they're after all Craig supporters, are outweighed by what they see as his many positives).

The haters, though, appear to have no room for movement. Where a supporter will write "Granted, Craig isn't as obviously commercial as Brosnan, but just look at all the exciting things he'll bring to the table....", a hater will (generally) make do with "This ugly blonde dweeb will demolish the franchise, mark my words he'll only do one Bond film", without conceding the possibility of any good things happening.

Supporters don't tend to write "CR will be the biggest-grossing Bond film ever, and Craig will be the very best 007 of them all, even better than Connery" nearly as often as haters write "CR will be the biggest dud in the history of the series, and Craig will be the worst Bond ever". That I notice, at least.

[jaguar007]

I kinda had the feeling M:I:3 wouldn't be the huge hit everybody seemed to be predicting, but I gotta say I'm shocked to be so right (it may well struggle to reach the $200 mil mark). In the wake of it's over-hyped publicity campaign, with a tried and true and very historically bankable mega star in the lead, and an unrealistic and fantastical plot...I'm feeling pretty good about CR at the box office. And--to the topic at hand--all this sniping by the tabloids is just painting Craig as an underdog. After the same old same old spy movie M:I:3 fizzled this summer, CR may just come along and be viewed as fresh and original, with an exciting new star doing a didn't-see-that-coming take on an old favorite. The "controversy" over the Craig casting will only sell more tickets, IMO, and if there's one thing US audiences love with a vengeance it's an underdog who comes out on top. Be ironic if CR, which has so far been the media's kicking toy, does better box office than M:I:3, which the media seemed to love.

I've also always thought the M:I movie franchise was really a one shot novelty deal, the two sequels being just Cruise vanity vehicles...

I know that MI3's opening weekend was well below expectations but $50.00million is hardly a total failure.

[Publius]

It's interesting how upset some people are getting from the reaction many people are having to Craig. ... There are people ... (particularly on this board) who get up in arms when his selection is criticized.

I think it's because the "haters" seem much more sweeping in their statements than the "supporters". The supporters - and I myself am one - are generally quite happy to concede that Craig is a risky choice in some ways, and will even air their reservations about him (which, since they're after all Craig supporters, are outweighed by what they see as his many positives).

The haters, though, appear to have no room for movement. Where a supporter will write "Granted, Craig isn't as obviously commercial as Brosnan, but just look at all the exciting things he'll bring to the table....", a hater will (generally) make do with "This ugly blonde dweeb will demolish the franchise, mark my words he'll only do one Bond film", without conceding the possibility of any good things happening.

Supporters don't tend to write "CR will be the biggest-grossing Bond film ever, and Craig will be the very best 007 of them all, even better than Connery" nearly as often as haters write "CR will be the biggest dud in the history of the series, and Craig will be the worst Bond ever". That I notice, at least.

Well said, and thank you Loomis for stating so succinctly what it seems to take me ages to get at.

And despite their generally infantile qualms and blindly fervent opposition, it seems that they still succeed in hijacking the debate to focus on their own inanity. Hmm. Sounds a lot like trolling. Sure wish we didn't have to be distracted from discussing to the best of our ability (i.e. primarily when we have tangible photos and clips)the actual style and substance of this cast, production, etc. on their own merits.

Baseless conspiracy theories, though empty, make for quite a nosiy lot. I hope those who are spinning them aren't operating under the assumption that being rambunctious will compensate for the ground they lack to stand on.

This post is not to be taken as a direct insult to anybody in particular.

Edited by Publius, 18 May 2006 - 12:35 AM.

[Peter Guillam 006]

Craig haters amuse me. They're like children asking for ice cream when they know the ice cream factory is destroyed and everything is melted. I thank god for Craig and the return of the real 007. Bros hasnt worn a suit as well since goldeneye

[kneelbeforezod]

It's interesting how upset some people are getting from the reaction many people are having to Craig. ... There are people ... (particularly on this board) who get up in arms when his selection is criticized.

I think it's because the "haters" seem much more sweeping in their statements than the "supporters". The supporters - and I myself am one - are generally quite happy to concede that Craig is a risky choice in some ways, and will even air their reservations about him (which, since they're after all Craig supporters, are outweighed by what they see as his many positives).

The haters, though, appear to have no room for movement. Where a supporter will write "Granted, Craig isn't as obviously commercial as Brosnan, but just look at all the exciting things he'll bring to the table....", a hater will (generally) make do with "This ugly blonde dweeb will demolish the franchise, mark my words he'll only do one Bond film", without conceding the possibility of any good things happening.

Supporters don't tend to write "CR will be the biggest-grossing Bond film ever, and Craig will be the very best 007 of them all, even better than Connery" nearly as often as haters write "CR will be the biggest dud in the history of the series, and Craig will be the worst Bond ever". That I notice, at least.

Well said Loomis, that is exactly the problem! The funny thing is when you criticise these "haters" they often come back with something like "maybe you should wait for the film before deciding that Craig will be the best Bond ever!", when NOBODY is saying that.

It's frustrating though, because although I know I shouldnt rise to the bait, it's hard to take people being so relentlessly negative.

Edited by kneelbeforezod, 18 May 2006 - 02:26 AM.

[Onlooker]

I don't hate Craig. Why would I? But I have to say that everytime I see a picture of him as Bond my reaction is disbelief. He just doesn't look like my idea of Bond.

[Dr. Noah]

I don't hate Craig. Why would I? But I have to say that everytime I see a picture of him as Bond my reaction is disbelief. He just doesn't look like my idea of Bond.

When you haven't had a new Bond actor in 12 years, the new guy NEVER looks like Bond. You're used to one guy.

But it doesn't make much sense to have a guy in his mid-fifties act out Bond's first 00 mission.

[Publius]

I don't hate Craig. Why would I? But I have to say that everytime I see a picture of him as Bond my reaction is disbelief. He just doesn't look like my idea of Bond.

When you haven't had a new Bond actor in 12 years, the new guy NEVER looks like Bond. You're used to one guy.

But it doesn't make much sense to have a guy in his mid-fifties act out Bond's first 00 mission.

Yeah, and we forget that Brosnan has been Bond in the public's eyes since 1986 (especially considering nobody bothered to sell them on Dalton), and we haven't had a non-Brosnan movie since mid-1989. That's 20 and 17-and-a-half years, respectively. Quite an awful long time.

[Dr. Noah]

Yeah, and we forget that Brosnan has been Bond in the public's eyes since 1986 (especially considering nobody bothered to sell them on Dalton), and we haven't had a non-Brosnan movie since mid-1989. That's 20 and 17-and-a-half years, respectively. Quite an awful long time.

Only awful for 8 or 9...

[JimmyBond]

Yeah, and we forget that Brosnan has been Bond in the public's eyes since 1986 (especially considering nobody bothered to sell them on Dalton), and we haven't had a non-Brosnan movie since mid-1989. That's 20 and 17-and-a-half years, respectively. Quite an awful long time.

Only awful for 8 or 9...

LOL