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[JimmyBond]

Show me one person who rates CR in their top five or say Craig is the best Bond ever.

Dr. Noah. He's defending Craig and Royale tooth and nail.

Defending Craig is different than blindly saying he's your favorite actor or that Casino Royale is the best Bond film ever.

Most people are not happy with the casting of Craig.

Most people arent even aware there is a new Bond film coming out. Most people don't even know Brosnan isnt Bond anymore. Most people don't care about it for the moment. Most people probably wouldnt want you speaking for them anyways, luciusgore.

[Dr. Noah]

LIL.

Defending Craig tooth and nail? I'm just pointing out the idiocy of the comments. I haven't SEEN Daniel Craig in Casino Royale. I have no idea if it's good or not. Much like you have no idea what "most people" think.

[Ourobouros]

I guess there has been a backlash against DC, but I think you have to put it in context with todays world. These days we have the internet, where you have mass communication across the world in an instant. If the internet had been around, who is to say there wouldnt have been a backlash when Connery was chosen as the first Bond, and that there wouldnt have been backlashes when Lazenby, Moore, Dalton & Brosnan came onboard?

Imagine the Connery backlash;

He is scottish/scottish accent
He is working class
He is balding and has to wear a toupee
He once tried out for Mr Universe
He has been in a load of crap movies
He isnt Ian Flemings first choice

[luciusgore]

I guess there has been a backlash against DC, but I think you have to put it in context with todays world. These days we have the internet, where you have mass communication across the world in an instant. If the internet had been around, who is to say there wouldnt have been a backlash when Connery was chosen as the first Bond, and that there wouldnt have been backlashes when Lazenby, Moore, Dalton & Brosnan came onboard?

Imagine the Connery backlash;

He is scottish/scottish accent
He is working class
He is balding and has to wear a toupee
He once tried out for Mr Universe
He has been in a load of crap movies
He isnt Ian Flemings first choice

There was no backlash when Brosnan was Bond, and I remember the Internet was quite alive and well at the time. I viewed the GoldenEye Web site. There were fan sites such as Klast.net. NO ONE OPPOSED HIS SELECTION. Contrast that with Craig. There's a boycott generating international headlines.

[Dr. Noah]

There was no backlash when Brosnan was Bond, and I remember the Internet was quite alive and well at the time. I viewed the GoldenEye Web site. There were fan sites such as Klast.net. NO ONE OPPOSED HIS SELECTION. Contrast that with Craig. There's a boycott generating international headlines.

I was on Usenet and EVERYBODY was mad. KLast had a Brosnan FAN site up before the Bond site, so it was hardly an unbiased opinion.

And that's the only reaction we're getting now, anyway: From the die-hards. And most of them are FINE with it, if you read the discussion here. Nobody else knows or cares, unless the movie sucks.

[luciusgore]

There was no backlash when Brosnan was Bond, and I remember the Internet was quite alive and well at the time. I viewed the GoldenEye Web site. There were fan sites such as Klast.net. NO ONE OPPOSED HIS SELECTION. Contrast that with Craig. There's a boycott generating international headlines.

I was on Usenet and EVERYBODY was mad. KLast had a Brosnan FAN site up before the Bond site, so it was hardly an unbiased opinion.

And that's the only reaction we're getting now, anyway: From the die-hards. And most of them are FINE with it, if you read the discussion here. Nobody else knows or cares, unless the movie sucks.

People were mad Brosnan was selected? I guess they wanted Dalton back? I was relieved, after seeing the reception Licence to Kill had when it showed on the Fox Network, first time many non-fans had seen it. People didn't like it.

[Dr. Noah]

People were mad Brosnan was selected? I guess they wanted Dalton back? I was relieved, after seeing the reception Licence to Kill had when it showed on the Fox Network, first time many non-fans had seen it. People didn't like it.

What, you work for the Nielsen's too? Man, you are connected!

[Johnboy007]

These things have selective "researching". A clear majority of CB.ners support Craig or are open-minded and are willing to wait and see. Those who didn't support him were very clearly and distinctly in the minority. I can't speak for AJB, as I haven't visited for a while. MI6? I wouldn't buy anything coming out of the arrogant and stupid administrators and their "stories" and about 70% of its members.

That would seem to indicate that Craig is not "unpopular". It doesn't matter anyway, November 17th is the day we see how good or bad he will be. I just happen to think he'll do a good job.

As for the other "candidates". Pierce Brosnan was too damn old (Jim's A-
Z description of Brosnan hit the nail squarely on the head). Eon couldn't afford the likes of Hugh Jackman or Clive Owen or sign them for a multi-film contract. I'm willing to bet they still wouldn't even accept the role. If Visnjic had been cast, the papers would have unleashed a huge storm of crap about his nationality.

Craig is Bond. There is nothing you can do to stop it. I'm sick of the whiny, complaining .

[Agent 76]

Are they still discussing about Daniel Craig as James Bond?

Get over it, HE'll be great as 007, I have no doubt about it!

Give the man a chance!

[Emma]

Well, it seems to be the first time these "most" people have had easy access to a protest movement (and, frankly, two mad Slovakian spinsters creating a petition, whilst undoubtledly a "movement", does appear to be the sort one flushes).

Most people may not like the selection; but then most people made the Toyota Corolla the World's bestselling car and Titanic its most successful film, so their taste is questionable.

That's rather an elitist view don't you think?

[killkenny kid]

Well, it seems to be the first time these "most" people have had easy access to a protest movement (and, frankly, two mad Slovakian spinsters creating a petition, whilst undoubtledly a "movement", does appear to be the sort one flushes).

Most people may not like the selection; but then most people made the Toyota Corolla the World's bestselling car and Titanic its most successful film, so their taste is questionable.

That's rather an elitist view don't you think?

No. imo

[Johnboy007]

What about the those of who proudly drive a Corolla but hate Titanic and like Daniel Craig?

[Emma]

What about the those of who proudly drive a Corolla but hate Titanic and like Daniel Craig?

Hmmm...I'm assuming that those who made the Corololla the number one car is, because that's what they can afford to drive. Not because they have questionable taste. But that's just me.

[Publius]

[quote name='lorna99' post='555688' date='15 May 2006 - 04:35']
There was an article in Sunday express newspaper yesterday saying that some fans hated the new James Bond trailer and the fans comments about the trailer where Daniel Craig was in it, also he had no facial expressions, they hated him in the tuxedo, hated the way he talked and the acting was like watching paint dry

Also in the Sunday Mirror Celebs supplement, they

Edited by Publius, 16 May 2006 - 04:20 AM.

[tdalton]

Completely agreed, Publius. And I must say, you've been on quite a roll lately. A lot of excellent posts and excellent ideas being brought to the table.

And, as far as everyone liking the idea of Brosnan as Bond, I would be hard pressed to think that was true. There's always opposition to any choice made and this time is no different.

[Publius]

Completely agreed, Publius. And I must say, you've been on quite a roll lately. A lot of excellent posts and excellent ideas being brought to the table.

And, as far as everyone liking the idea of Brosnan as Bond, I would be hard pressed to think that was true. There's always opposition to any choice made and this time is no different.

Thanks. In this case, just trying to bring some common sense and reality to the anti/pro Craig madness. Sure is hard to be brutally honest without stepping on toes, but I think some semblance of solidarity is important for Bond fandom, in terms of being as sensible and objective in our discussions as possible, whatever our differences.

And yes, the Brosnan-as-God refrain has gotten ridiculously old. Each Bond actor has had his fair share of controversy, but what makes it more apparent now is that now there is not only both a mainstream press and the Internet to deal with, but the frightening merger of media and entertainment/recreation (e.g., normally reputable news outlets actually citing CraigNotBond as overwhelming fan opinion and calling it a day). It's a practice not confined to the Bond universe (journalistic references to blogs and my beloved but most certainly not authoritative Wikipedia abound), but that's another story.

Edited by Publius, 16 May 2006 - 04:44 AM.

[Double-Oh Agent]

Completely agreed, Publius. And I must say, you've been on quite a roll lately. A lot of excellent posts and excellent ideas being brought to the table.

And, as far as everyone liking the idea of Brosnan as Bond, I would be hard pressed to think that was true. There's always opposition to any choice made and this time is no different.

While not EVERYONE may have liked the idea of Pierce Brosnan as the new James Bond in 1995, I believe a solid majority were in favor of his casting. He was particularly popular in America and had been considered a 007 front-runner since 1986. He was the logical successor to Timothy Dalton.

Completely agreed, Publius. And I must say, you've been on quite a roll lately. A lot of excellent posts and excellent ideas being brought to the table.

And, as far as everyone liking the idea of Brosnan as Bond, I would be hard pressed to think that was true. There's always opposition to any choice made and this time is no different.

Thanks. In this case, just trying to bring some common sense and reality to the anti/pro Craig madness. Sure is hard to be brutally honest without stepping on toes, but I think some semblance of solidarity is important for Bond fandom, in terms of being as sensible and objective in our discussions as possible, whatever our differences.

And yes, the Brosnan-as-God refrain has gotten ridiculously old. Each Bond actor has had his fair share of controversy, but what makes it more apparent now is that now there is not only both a mainstream press and the Internet to deal with, but the frightening merger of media and entertainment/recreation (e.g., normally reputable news outlets actually citing CraigNotBond as overwhelming fan opinion and calling it a day). It's a practice not confined to the Bond universe (journalistic references to blogs and my beloved but most certainly not authoritative Wikipedia abound), but that's another story.

And the Brosnan sucks refrain is even more ridiculously old. You can't go anywhere on the Brosnan threads without getting post after post after post dumping on Brosnan and his films. I can't believe the negativity going on in there. Sometimes it's enough to make me want to take a shower.

[Santa]

Going to either extreme is a waste of time really, after all, it's a fictional character so no-one should get too worked up. I think the difference made by the more widespread use of the internet cannot be discounted as a factor in DC's unpopularity as opposed to the reaction/lack of it when previous Bonds have been cast. My brother and his dodgy mate are out to visit at the moment and we had an interesting conversation last night. Neither of them have ever seen a Bond at the cinema or have watched one on TV for years, and neither have ever seen one Brosnan Bond, but both intend to go and see CR with their little gang and this is 100% because Daniel Craig is in it, he certainly has a large 'cool' appeal amongst British youth, largely down to Layer Cake.Equally, I for one would not have been that pleased had they cast Clive Owen or even less so, Hugh Jackman. My point is that any actor cast would have had his supporters and his detractors but it seems to me that no Bond film is going to out and out fail on the first outing of any new JB. Fans will always go out of curiosity as will those who are indifferent to JB as every actor will have his own set of fans or not. So for every DC naysayer, there will be at least one DC 'cheerleader' who will make up for it.

[JimmyBond]

And the Brosnan sucks refrain is even more ridiculously old. You can't go anywhere on the Brosnan threads without getting post after post after post dumping on Brosnan and his films. I can't believe the negativity going on in there. Sometimes it's enough to make me want to take a shower.

Show me a thread in the Brosnan forum that outright dumps on the man. Because the last few threads I've started in there have been fairly positive.

[Publius]

And the Brosnan sucks refrain is even more ridiculously old. You can't go anywhere on the Brosnan threads without getting post after post after post dumping on Brosnan and his films. I can't believe the negativity going on in there. Sometimes it's enough to make me want to take a shower.

Although I don't see it too much, I do admit it's there. Criticism is fair game, even in (and probably especially in) the actor-specific forums, but I for one (and I think most others) take care to avoid simply "dumping" on anyone in particular, even Brosnan, everywhere I go. I have my issues with each Bond but will air them only on appropriate occasions.

I have less of an issue with just shredding specific movies, though, since by definition that's nothing personal. Definitely always open season in that regard.

Edited by Publius, 16 May 2006 - 05:45 PM.

[DLibrasnow]

who is to say there wouldnt have been a backlash when Connery was chosen as the first Bond, and that there wouldnt have been backlashes when Lazenby, Moore, Dalton & Brosnan came onboard?

Are you seriously suggesting there was no backlash when lazenby and Dalton were hired? That goes against all that has been written about those two choices for decades.

[Bond Bombshell]

With great power comes great responsibility (is that from Star Trek?).

I think its from Spider-man.

As for the rest of this thread, I'm trying hard to be interested. Its descended into the usual rudeness aimed at Craig, selective quoting of polls and sites, and that old chestnut which can always be used in an emergency to stifle any opinion if it irritates you - the film isn't out yet!

However, I will say this about Henry Fitzherbert who is the journalist responsible for the Sunday Express article. As a Sunday Express reader, I've often had issues with him in the past, as he's one of those annoying film critics whose writing often contains glaring inaccuracies and omissions. Basically, he's fond of twisting the facts in pursuit of whatever pet theory he's trying to promote. For this reason, I didn't give his Bond article a second glance.

Incidentally, does anyone else dislike this smilie as much as I do? - The rest are fun. This one I think is just rude.

[Johnboy007]

Would it be fair to say that at 2/3 of the Bonds were high risk choices?

[Jim]

Incidentally, does anyone else dislike this smilie as much as I do? - The rest are fun. This one I think is just rude.

[Punisher]

Thanks Jim, it's good to know we can count you on to be a jerk

[Bond Bombshell]

Incidentally, does anyone else dislike this smilie as much as I do? - The rest are fun. This one I think is just rude.

I guess I asked for that, and from a Commanding Officer no less! Just remember that with great power comes great responsiblity.

In the latest example of selective polling, and to paraphrase an old TV advert which you are all probably too young to remember, I have just heard that 8 out of 10 owners who expressed a preference said that their cat preferred Daniel Craig.

Edited by Bond Bombshell, 17 May 2006 - 01:54 AM.

[The Beast]

I hate Craig, but I'm trying to judge him right. And you know what? After this trailer my believes in that he's the worst Bond ever only became stronger. No... He's acting and looking so bad, that he can't even be called Bond. Just... Oh, who's this pathetic guy and what's he doing in the Bond trailer anyway?

[Santa]

You hate him? How old are you?

[JimmyBond]

I hate Craig,

Please, tell us how you really feel

but I'm trying to judge him right. And you know what? After this trailer my believes in that he's the worst Bond ever only became stronger.

Kind of hard to be impartial when you already openly admit you hate him.

No... He's acting and looking so bad, that he can't even be called Bond.

Craig has two line readings in the trailer. You can tell how he's going to act in a 2 hour film from what doesnt even amount to 30 seconds of film?

Just... Oh, who's this pathetic guy and what's he doing in the Bond trailer anyway?

He's James Bond, havent seen him on Cinema screens for quite a long while. Great to have him back

[Dr. Noah]

I hate Craig, but I'm trying to judge him right. And you know what? After this trailer my believes in that he's the worst Bond ever only became stronger. No... He's acting and looking so bad, that he can't even be called Bond. Just... Oh, who's this pathetic guy and what's he doing in the Bond trailer anyway?

He's a guy with a life who doesn't have to post as "The Beast" on the Internet to berate movies he hasn't seen yet.