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[lorna99]

There was an article in Sunday express newspaper yesterday saying that some fans hated the new James Bond trailer and the fans comments about the trailer where Daniel Craig was in it, also he had no facial expressions, they hated him in the tuxedo, hated the way he talked and the acting was like watching paint dry

Also in the Sunday Mirror Celebs supplement, they

[Skudor]

You can always trust the UK press to be

[avl]

What did Sunday journos do before the internet allowed them to reprint all the bile as an "exclusive"?

[luciusgore]

[quote name='lorna99' post='555688' date='15 May 2006 - 08:35']
There was an article in Sunday express newspaper yesterday saying that some fans hated the new James Bond trailer and the fans comments about the trailer where Daniel Craig was in it, also he had no facial expressions, they hated him in the tuxedo, hated the way he talked and the acting was like watching paint dry

Also in the Sunday Mirror Celebs supplement, they

[Tinfinger]

Hey, the tabs have the right to express their opinions about Craig the same as all of you do here. For all of you carping about waiting to see Craig in Casino before you can legitimately trash it, how about doing the same thing before saying it's the best Bond ever. Practice what you all preach

[Hitchcock Bond]

I would certainly agree that the press, and anyone else for that matter, have the right to express opinions about Craig's suitability as Bond. I would also agree that Craig is an unpopular choice, inasmuch as there are many who have protested against his selection. I have not read the article in question, but others have seemed to suggest that Craig has no support at all as Bond, and that is simply not the case. The press also seemed to use the general public's lack of knowledge about filmmaking as a way of attacking the production. I have no doubt that some cars were fitted with different engines and automatic gearboxes because that happens a lot in Bond films; they always make adjustments to fit camera rigs or gadgets or prepare them for stuntwork that way. Yet this was described as Craig could not drive a stickshift car. Also the amount of stuntwork that a Bond film contains has always and will always produce injuries. This happens in every action film. It is also common to get experts to act as consultants, such as teaching Craig to play cards. They did the same with Mel Gibson in Maverick. The fancy dealing techniques he said was more difficult than learning to quick draw. I too was against Craig when I first found out about his selection. However, the producers want to take Bond in a different direction from the recent films and Craig seems to fit the bill for the 'Rougher' style Bond. He is not the only actor who could play the rougher Bond but there are many factors that have to taken into condsideration when casting. Of course not everyone is going to accept this new Bond. Personally, I have come not only to accept Craig as Bond but to really look forward to how this film plays out. I think, or perhaps just hope, this may be a good film, but that is a long way from knowing.

[Santa]

I would certainly agree that the press, and anyone else for that matter, have the right to express opinions about Craig's suitability as Bond. I would also agree that Craig is an unpopular choice, inasmuch as there are many who have protested against his selection. I have not read the article in question, but others have seemed to suggest that Craig has no support at all as Bond, and that is simply not the case. The press also seemed to use the general public's lack of knowledge about filmmaking as a way of attacking the production. I have no doubt that some cars were fitted with different engines and automatic gearboxes because that happens a lot in Bond films; they always make adjustments to fit camera rigs or gadgets or prepare them for stuntwork that way. Yet this was described as Craig could not drive a stickshift car. Also the amount of stuntwork that a Bond film contains has always and will always produce injuries. This happens in every action film. It is also common to get experts to act as consultants, such as teaching Craig to play cards. They did the same with Mel Gibson in Maverick. The fancy dealing techniques he said was more difficult than learning to quick draw. I too was against Craig when I first found out about his selection. However, the producers want to take Bond in a different direction from the recent films and Craig seems to fit the bill for the 'Rougher' style Bond. He is not the only actor who could play the rougher Bond but there are many factors that have to taken into condsideration when casting. Of course not everyone is going to accept this new Bond. Personally, I have come not only to accept Craig as Bond but to really look forward to how this film plays out. I think, or perhaps just hope, this may be a good film, but that is a long way from knowing.

Good post

[PPK_19]

I would certainly agree that the press, and anyone else for that matter, have the right to express opinions about Craig's suitability as Bond. I would also agree that Craig is an unpopular choice, inasmuch as there are many who have protested against his selection. I have not read the article in question, but others have seemed to suggest that Craig has no support at all as Bond, and that is simply not the case. The press also seemed to use the general public's lack of knowledge about filmmaking as a way of attacking the production. I have no doubt that some cars were fitted with different engines and automatic gearboxes because that happens a lot in Bond films; they always make adjustments to fit camera rigs or gadgets or prepare them for stuntwork that way. Yet this was described as Craig could not drive a stickshift car. Also the amount of stuntwork that a Bond film contains has always and will always produce injuries. This happens in every action film. It is also common to get experts to act as consultants, such as teaching Craig to play cards. They did the same with Mel Gibson in Maverick. The fancy dealing techniques he said was more difficult than learning to quick draw. I too was against Craig when I first found out about his selection. However, the producers want to take Bond in a different direction from the recent films and Craig seems to fit the bill for the 'Rougher' style Bond. He is not the only actor who could play the rougher Bond but there are many factors that have to taken into condsideration when casting. Of course not everyone is going to accept this new Bond. Personally, I have come not only to accept Craig as Bond but to really look forward to how this film plays out. I think, or perhaps just hope, this may be a good film, but that is a long way from knowing.

I totally agree with you. Yes, at first Craig seemed to be an odd choice and i too was a little puzzled as to why they did not pick seemingly more worthy contenders like Clive Owen, who i thought would be perfect for the part. But then i realised that the reason they chose DC was because he is the best actor out of all the other potentials.
Yeah so what, he may be blonde but after seing the trailer i know he will be able to pull it off and easily take up the mantle and 'fit the bill' for the 'rougher' and 'grittier' re-make. I hope the craig nay-sayers choke on their popcorn.

[kneelbeforezod]

Hey, the tabs have the right to express their opinions about Craig the same as all of you do here. For all of you carping about waiting to see Craig in Casino before you can legitimately trash it, how about doing the same thing before saying it's the best Bond ever. Practice what you all preach

Thanks for that. Most people here are practising what they preach.

Suggesting people wait until they've seen Craig in Casino Royale before they trash him is NOT the same as saying it's the best Bond ever. Find me one person that's saying it will be the best Bond ever.

[PPK_19]

Suggesting people wait until they've seen Craig in Casino Royale before they trash him is NOT the same as saying it's the best Bond ever. Find me one person that's saying it will be the best Bond ever.

Well said

[Mr_Wint]

For all of you carping about waiting to see Craig in Casino before you can legitimately trash it, how about doing the same thing before saying it's the best Bond ever. Practice what you all preach

This is a smack in the face to some forum members here, who already rate CR in their top 5 and have Craig as the best Bond Ever... I guess it's hard for new fans to be neutral these days.

[Stephen Spotswood]

Actually the trailor looks real good to me, and from certain angles DC looks a bit like Clive Owen. The movie looks very gritty, but I wonder if I'll be disappointed, because like LTK, the producers may back down some. Some of the earlier scenes in the trailor look like they could've come from the first Dr. Mabuse movies by Fritz Lang.

[Bondesque]

Nobody can judge CR at this point. Intelligent fans will wait until the film is out and then pass out thier opinions. Very intelligent fans will wait a couple weeks after seeing CR and then form an opinion once the "newness" of it is gone and then rate where it stands in the series.

A few things I can tell at this point:

1. Craig is far better then Brosnan in the action sequences.
2. Eva Green doesn't say "Yo Momma" and then use her Bond equal fighting skills to take out a bad guy three times her size.
3. It will still bother me that Dench is playing M even though I try to "let it go."
4. Whoever it is in the swimsuit climbing out of the sea is smokin hot!

[blueman]

I kinda had the feeling M:I:3 wouldn't be the huge hit everybody seemed to be predicting, but I gotta say I'm shocked to be so right (it may well struggle to reach the $200 mil mark). In the wake of it's over-hyped publicity campaign, with a tried and true and very historically bankable mega star in the lead, and an unrealistic and fantastical plot...I'm feeling pretty good about CR at the box office. And--to the topic at hand--all this sniping by the tabloids is just painting Craig as an underdog. After the same old same old spy movie M:I:3 fizzled this summer, CR may just come along and be viewed as fresh and original, with an exciting new star doing a didn't-see-that-coming take on an old favorite. The "controversy" over the Craig casting will only sell more tickets, IMO, and if there's one thing US audiences love with a vengeance it's an underdog who comes out on top. Be ironic if CR, which has so far been the media's kicking toy, does better box office than M:I:3, which the media seemed to love.

I've also always thought the M:I movie franchise was really a one shot novelty deal, the two sequels being just Cruise vanity vehicles...

[MarcAngeDraco]

the acting was like watching paint dry

There was something in the trailer upon which you could judge acting?...

With 61 shots (as analyzed by Dr. Shatterhand) in a roughly one minute long trailer, I highly doubt any paint had a chance to dry...

[DLibrasnow]

This is a smack in the face to some forum members here, who already rate CR in their top 5 and have Craig as the best Bond Ever... I guess it's hard for new fans to be neutral these days.

How can anyone rate CASINO ROYALE in their top 5 when they haven't even seen it yet. Sure a lot of what we are hearing sounds good and there is a good supporting cast, but the execution may be terrible. For example the parahawks sequence in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH sounds great, but the sequence as it was filmed was lackluster and appallingly bad.

Nobody can judge CR at this point. Intelligent fans will wait until the film is out and then pass out thier opinions. Very intelligent fans will wait a couple weeks after seeing CR and then form an opinion once the "newness" of it is gone and then rate where it stands in the series.

Precisely.

[JimmyBond]

This is a smack in the face to some forum members here, who already rate CR in their top 5 and have Craig as the best Bond Ever... I guess it's hard for new fans to be neutral these days.

Show me one person who rates CR in their top five or say Craig is the best Bond ever.

[DamnCoffee]

This is a smack in the face to some forum members here, who already rate CR in their top 5 and have Craig as the best Bond Ever... I guess it's hard for new fans to be neutral these days.

Show me one person who rates CR in their top five or say Craig is the best Bond ever.

OK - ME

[MarcAngeDraco]

Nobody can judge CR at this point. Intelligent fans will wait until the film is out and then pass out thier opinions. Very intelligent fans will wait a couple weeks after seeing CR and then form an opinion once the "newness" of it is gone and then rate where it stands in the series.

I will be very willing to share my opinions on the film after I first see it. But those opinions are likely to change upon subsequent viewings and a bit of time to reflect on the film. They sometimes change further after I see the film on a smaller screen. And, of course, the true test is how well the film holds up to multiple viewings over the course of years.

Some have dropped from their first impressions, while others have risen dramatically. In short, my personal ratings of the films are always changing slightly with each additional viewing.

[blueman]

Actually, it sounds like the article is factually correct: some fans do hate Craig and the teaser...did they do their Q&A at CnB?

[Dr. Noah]

It's a crackup. Most people don't even know he's Bond yet.

You want to see unpopular? Watch the reaction when a writer announces that he works for a UK tabloid.

Edited by Dr. Noah, 15 May 2006 - 04:20 PM.

[medrecess]

Imagine what will they write about when CR is a monster hit.

That is the only way now left for Daniel

If he regrets his unnecessary bashing which i am sure he would,he must be thinkin why the hell did i go ahead with this thing in the first place.

On the other hand,Pierce is one of the most good looking men ever IMO
so any actor would have been criticized.

Perhaps Craig really realized how big bond is and what all good and bad (in his case) comes with it.

IMO Craig is more elegant than Owen or Hugh.

Edited by medrecess, 15 May 2006 - 05:47 PM.

[Jim]

And now it's Monday and people have other things to think about.

[luciusgore]

Imagine what will they write about when CR is a monster hit.

That is the only way now left for Daniel

If he regrets his unnecessary bashing which i am sure he would,he must be thinkin why the hell did i go ahead with this thing in the first place.

On the other hand,Pierce is one of the most good looking men ever IMO
so any actor would have been criticized.

Perhaps Craig really realized how big bond is and what all good and bad (in his case) comes with it.

IMO Craig is more elegant than Owen or Hugh.

You're very much in the minority opinion. MOST people don't like the selection, across the board. First time ever a protest movement has been born over a Bond actor. The trailer does not seem to have won any converts either.

[Jim]

You're very much in the minority opinion. MOST people don't like the selection, across the board. First time ever a protest movement has been born over a Bond actor. The trailer does not seem to have won any converts either.

Well, it seems to be the first time these "most" people have had easy access to a protest movement (and, frankly, two mad Slovakian spinsters creating a petition, whilst undoubtledly a "movement", does appear to be the sort one flushes).

Most people may not like the selection; but then most people made the Toyota Corolla the World's bestselling car and Titanic its most successful film, so their taste is questionable.

[medrecess]

Imagine what will they write about when CR is a monster hit.

That is the only way now left for Daniel

If he regrets his unnecessary bashing which i am sure he would,he must be thinkin why the hell did i go ahead with this thing in the first place.

On the other hand,Pierce is one of the most good looking men ever IMO
so any actor would have been criticized.

Perhaps Craig really realized how big bond is and what all good and bad (in his case) comes with it.

IMO Craig is more elegant than Owen or Hugh.

You're very much in the minority opinion. MOST people don't like the selection, across the board. First time ever a protest movement has been born over a Bond actor. The trailer does not seem to have won any converts either.

Just answer these 2 simple questions -
Tell me did you like the trailer or not ?
Now after Craig became Bond ,will you see CR?

[Punisher]

This is a smack in the face to some forum members here, who already rate CR in their top 5 and have Craig as the best Bond Ever... I guess it's hard for new fans to be neutral these days.

Show me one person who rates CR in their top five or say Craig is the best Bond ever.

Dr. Noah. He's defending Craig and Royale tooth and nail.

Imagine what will they write about when CR is a monster hit.

That is the only way now left for Daniel

If he regrets his unnecessary bashing which i am sure he would,he must be thinkin why the hell did i go ahead with this thing in the first place.

On the other hand,Pierce is one of the most good looking men ever IMO
so any actor would have been criticized.

Perhaps Craig really realized how big bond is and what all good and bad (in his case) comes with it.

IMO Craig is more elegant than Owen or Hugh.

You're stretching. Casino Royale might be a hit, but it won't be a monster hit.

Owen would have been THE choice, had he either been approached for the part...and had he said yes. No one is sure if he was even asked in the first part.

I can kind of agree on Jackman, Wolverine will be a curse for him but it might have been something worthwhile to see if he could have done something for Bond also.

As for the press article, it sounds like the general public want Robbie Williams instead of Daniel. If I were Mr. Craig I'd be praying that once the film is released that the critics won't tear it apart or otherwise it's back to supporting roles for him.

[luciusgore]

Imagine what will they write about when CR is a monster hit.

That is the only way now left for Daniel

If he regrets his unnecessary bashing which i am sure he would,he must be thinkin why the hell did i go ahead with this thing in the first place.

On the other hand,Pierce is one of the most good looking men ever IMO
so any actor would have been criticized.

Perhaps Craig really realized how big bond is and what all good and bad (in his case) comes with it.

IMO Craig is more elegant than Owen or Hugh.

You're very much in the minority opinion. MOST people don't like the selection, across the board. First time ever a protest movement has been born over a Bond actor. The trailer does not seem to have won any converts either.

Just answer these 2 simple questions -
Tell me did you like the trailer or not ?
Now after Craig became Bond ,will you see CR?

Yes I liked the trailer, and I will see the film. I'm looking forward to it. But then I liked LAYER CAKE and I like Daniel Craig. But I recognize that I'm in the minority, and for the Bond series to survive and thrive, they should have done what it took to get Owen or Jackman. As it is, if CR is even mediocre at a TWINE-level, it will be a colossal flop. Most people are not happy with the casting of Craig.

[Daddy Bond]

First, I for one was very disappointed when they decided to replace Brosnan. I've always enjoyed him as Bond. He's not my favorite Bond of all time, but he is my favorite of the actors I know of that I would want to play him today.

Second, I was very surprised when they decided to sign Craig. Disappointed even. He just didn't match the style and look of what I have come to think of as "James Bond, 007". Craig was certainly not a safe choice. Time will only tell whether this was a worthwhile risk. I think the switch is either going to be great or not such a good idea (not much room for middle ground) because Craig and the Producers have got to show that replacing Brosnan was the right thing to do. An average to poor performance just won't do.

Third, I still wish they'd go back to Brosnan (which they probably will never do) or another more Bond-looking/acting actor.

BUT! Craig has grown on me. Him playing Bond has grown on me. My enthusiasm for CR has grown on me, AND, I don't like constantly putting him down about such things as driving a stickshift, front teeth and blond hair. What matters is, will he pull off a great Bondian performance?

If he does, then great! It will silence many critics. I think he'll do well. I hope he'll do well.

IMO, however, Craig is going to have to show many that replacing Brosnan at this juncture was the right thing to do. Can they pull it off? If not, there may be negative repercussions in the box office.

We'll have to wait and see. That's the best tact. I'm not ready to say he's my favorite Bond of all time right now, and I'm not ready to say he's lousy. To me, it seems too early to make such calls, but the choice of Craig, right at this moment, seems hopeful and interesting...and I'll just have to WAIT and SEE.

The tabloids should just quit acting like immature 12 year olds.

Regards

Regards

[medrecess]

Imagine what will they write about when CR is a monster hit.

That is the only way now left for Daniel

If he regrets his unnecessary bashing which i am sure he would,he must be thinkin why the hell did i go ahead with this thing in the first place.

On the other hand,Pierce is one of the most good looking men ever IMO
so any actor would have been criticized.

Perhaps Craig really realized how big bond is and what all good and bad (in his case) comes with it.

IMO Craig is more elegant than Owen or Hugh.

You're very much in the minority opinion. MOST people don't like the selection, across the board. First time ever a protest movement has been born over a Bond actor. The trailer does not seem to have won any converts either.

Just answer these 2 simple questions -
Tell me did you like the trailer or not ?
Now after Craig became Bond ,will you see CR?

Yes I liked the trailer, and I will see the film. I'm looking forward to it. But then I liked LAYER CAKE and I like Daniel Craig. But I recognize that I'm in the minority, and for the Bond series to survive and thrive, they should have done what it took to get Owen or Jackman. As it is, if CR is even mediocre at a TWINE-level, it will be a colossal flop. Most people are not happy with the casting of Craig.

Many are unhappy for sure but lets hope that they make a good film as its more important IMO but obviously i am not expecting craig to come any closer to Pierce in terms of popularity.
The makers took the risk and they have to face whatever the outcome may be.