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[Vodka Martino]

Ladies and gentlemen, I read half of the first paragraph of the 'Casino Royale' script review before I had to stop. Not because I didn't like it, but because I didn't want to spoil the whole experience of seeing the film when it's released. I used to manage a film bookstore which sold movie scripts. I would sit there and read script after script. I remember reading the screenplay to 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' three months before the film was released. A few months later, when I saw the actual film, there were no surprises and it became a bit of a letdown. Those of you who have read the CR script review, well...you're a braver breed than I. I just hope it doesn't ruin the experience for you come November.

Vodka Martino

[Loomis]

This sounds absolutely fantastic. In fact, this is more then I could have asked for if it turns out to be true, because this is what a Bond movie should be. I hope this film will do Fleming proud. BTW, a previous poster noted that the mongoose/cobra fight thing was very Fleming-esque and I agree 100% that's exactly what I thought of when I read it too. Awesome!



Take 'er easy
-matt

BTW, the script says this fight is set in Lahore. Isn't it in India? Doesn't it fit with our Indian pal Gulshan Glover who said months ago he would play a villain in C.R.?????? Could it finally be true??? He perhaps has been actualy approached, after all....

Nah, Lahore's Pakistan.

[whitesox]

This sounds absolutely fantastic. In fact, this is more then I could have asked for if it turns out to be true, because this is what a Bond movie should be. I hope this film will do Fleming proud. BTW, a previous poster noted that the mongoose/cobra fight thing was very Fleming-esque and I agree 100% that's exactly what I thought of when I read it too. Awesome!



Take 'er easy
-matt

BTW, the script says this fight is set in Lahore. Isn't it in India? Doesn't it fit with our Indian pal Gulshan Glover who said months ago he would play a villain in C.R.?????? Could it finally be true??? He perhaps has been actualy approached, after all....

Nah, Lahore's Pakistan.

oops... shame on me

[Hawkeye]

Is anyone else surprised that this news hasn't appeared on MI6's front page yet?

[Niwram]

Is anyone else surprised that this news hasn't appeared on MI6's front page yet?

No...

[J.B.]

Hey Gang, I am NOT going to read it. So, I want your opinion on this. With all the fuss being made with needing a new Bond etc. Could Brosnan have done this script? This is not anti Craig but just a question of interest? Could an older Bond have handled this? Again, I will not read this b/c I want to see it first hand. Thanks for your input.

[Loomis]

I agree with KC - it does seem like TLD's complex plot.

Bond getting his Double O from killing someone in a bathroom?

Pierce's first line as Bond was in a bathroom too.

"charming, sophisticated" not exactly.

But some of the greatest action scenes of all time have been set in "bathrooms". Like the one in TRUE LIES. And.... erm, well, the one in TRUE LIES is ace.

What's the problem with seeing Bond in such a location? I mean, it's hardly as though they're going to show him cottaging, spending a penny, or doing a number two, is it?

Could Brosnan have done this script?

Yes.

In 1987.

I don't think it would work with an actor any older than Craig (even though Craig looks considerably older than he is). Even someone like Owen would seem too over the hill. It's very much an origin story (hope that's not too much of a spoiler).

[Loomis]

I'm not quite sure how well this is going to go over. I thought a while ago that CASINO ROYALE would hardly inspire hatred and that it would generally be liked by the populace. But now... while I love what I'm hearing I'm not quite sure what the average moviegoer will make of it.

Well, some will like it, some won't. A lot of people will complain that it's a total and utter betrayal of Bond (but then, I imagine there were many such complaints when MOONRAKER was released, and that did more than okay at the box office), but a lot of people will be thrilled by Eon's boldness in giving the series an almighty kick up the pants.

It looks as though this will be probably - probably - the most controversial Bond film of all time, and controversy sells. I also imagine it'll be at least as good a film as GOLDENEYE (Campbell will be determined to outdo himself), and GOLDENEYE, while there's plenty wrong with it, is quality stuff overall. And quality also sells. If You Make It A Good, Entertaining Film (With A Few Terrific Action Scenes), They Will Come.

Bottom line: CASINO ROYALE will be a smash.

[K1Bond007]

Hey Gang, I am NOT going to read it. So, I want your opinion on this. With all the fuss being made with needing a new Bond etc. Could Brosnan have done this script? This is not anti Craig but just a question of interest? Could an older Bond have handled this? Again, I will not read this b/c I want to see it first hand. Thanks for your input.

Even if you ignore the whole reboot deal, I'd still say no. Brosnan lacks the "toughness" that Craig has and that this script apparently necessitates. That's my opinion anyway.

[Harmsway]

Hey Gang, I am NOT going to read it. So, I want your opinion on this. With all the fuss being made with needing a new Bond etc. Could Brosnan have done this script? This is not anti Craig but just a question of interest? Could an older Bond have handled this? Again, I will not read this b/c I want to see it first hand. Thanks for your input.

Even if you ignore the whole reboot deal, I'd still say no. Brosnan lacks the "toughness" that Craig has and that this script apparently necessitates. That's my opinion anyway.

This is definitely a more "Craig-ified" script. It seems to fit him like a glove. I can't see Brosnan's Bond doing it.

[triviachamp]

Bond's stint in the Navy was just a cover for his intelligence work. He didn't actually serve at sea.

Edited by triviachamp, 11 February 2006 - 06:36 PM.

[Roebuck]

I'm not quite sure how well this is going to go over. I thought a while ago that CASINO ROYALE would hardly inspire hatred and that it would generally be liked by the populace. But now... while I love what I'm hearing I'm not quite sure what the average moviegoer will make of it.

IMHO? The current mood seems to be for spy dramas to have a semblance of reality (Bourne Identity/Constant Gardner/Syriana/24) rather than the far out fantasy that characterised the majority of post OHMSS Bond movies. There's probably never been a better time for 007 to join the post-Clancy world of espionage. If the majority of cinema going Bond fans is in the twenty-five plus demographic, as has been suggested, then the more mature content of Casino Royale shouldn't do it too much harm at the box-office.

[Harmsway]

I'm not quite sure how well this is going to go over. I thought a while ago that CASINO ROYALE would hardly inspire hatred and that it would generally be liked by the populace. But now... while I love what I'm hearing I'm not quite sure what the average moviegoer will make of it.

IMHO? The current mood seems to be for spy dramas to have a semblance of reality (Bourne Identity/Constant Gardner/Syriana/24) rather than the far out fantasy that characterised the majority of post OHMSS Bond movies. There's probably never been a better time for 007 to join the post-Clancy world of espionage. If the majority of cinema going Bond fans is in the twenty-five plus demographic, as has been suggested, then the more mature content of Casino Royale shouldn't do it too much harm at the box-office.

True, but I wonder how the "punch-in-the-stomach" ending will go over.

[marktmurphy]

Could Brosnan have done this script?

Yes.

In 1987.

I don't think it would work with an actor any older than Craig (even though Craig looks considerably older than he is). Even someone like Owen would seem too over the hill. It's very much an origin story (hope that's not too much of a spoiler).

I don't even know about that- look at this 1987 Diet Coke ad of him being Bond and hanging off a train:
http://www.4shared.c...oke-PB1987.html

He just doesn't look tough- at all. Was this man ever in the SAS? I think not.

[Agent 76]

BTW, a previous poster noted that the mongoose/cobra fight thing was very Fleming-esque and I agree 100% that's exactly what I thought of when I read it too. Awesome!



Take 'er easy
-matt

[Loomis]

He just doesn't look tough- at all. Was this man ever in the SAS? I think not.

It's called acting, dear boy.

Would be one possible response to that.... but not really one I could make with much conviction. Perhaps you're right, insofar as this script sounds like a dark, brutal piece of work (although I do remember thinking both TWINE and DAD looked like dark, brutal pieces of work in their early stages of production, and look how they turned out) for a dark, brutal Bond.

At any rate, as many have said, it does seem an absolutely perfect screenplay for Craig. Can't picture any of the other so-called candidates carrying it off (Cavill? McMahon? Heck, no), but perhaps it was rewritten and "toughened up" after Craig said yes to Bond. Which I guess may have been long before last October.

[Jim]

BTW, a previous poster noted that the mongoose/cobra fight thing was very Fleming-esque and I agree 100% that's exactly what I thought of when I read it too. Awesome!



Take 'er easy
-matt

"No animals involved in this film were hurt. Apart from the cobra and the mongoose, obviously. I mean, durr."

[Stratus]

Yea speaking of a which I can't even imagine how Cavill would have pulled a convincing ex-SAS to begin with. Let alone BEING A FINALIST for Bond. On the other hand I could imagine rumoured actors like Bale or Owen (after hitting the gym a bit) pulling it off, but both cases they were out of the picture. So I am glad in the context of what is written Craig landed the role.

[Jack Spang]

I also wrote to this chap on Latino Review and asked him to clarify if Vesper does actually kill herself. Maybe when Bond says the final line he is talking about someone else, though this would seem unlikely since it is supposedly the very last piece of dialogue in the film. I also asked him if the Aston Martin would have gadgets. I hope not but it seems like it will. Haven

[Loomis]

What I am worried about is that the version will have been changed in the last hour for the worst. Eon are notorious for this.

Perhaps it's a good thing that this information is now out there and (judging by things like the response to the poll on this thread and even some rare optimism from the notoriously mocking crowd at AICN) getting an overwhelmingly positive response. Makes it less likely that Eon will end up getting cold feet.

Could this script have been leaked deliberately, as a way of countering (without being seen to be countering) the negative buzz surrounding Craig and CASINO ROYALE? Or merely as a bit of market research, in other words if the response is good the script stays as it is, but if the response is hostile there's still just enough time to adjust things to make it slightly less dark and more "commercial"?

[Jack Spang]

What I am worried about is that the version will have been changed in the last hour for the worst. Eon are notorious for this.

Perhaps it's a good thing that this information is now out there and (judging by things like the response to the poll on this thread and even some rare optimism from the notoriously mocking crowd at AICN) getting an overwhelmingly positive response. Makes it less likely that Eon will end up getting cold feet.

Could this script have been leaked deliberately, as a way of countering (without being seen to be countering) the negative buzz surrounding Craig and CASINO ROYALE? Or merely as a bit of market research, in other words if the response is good the script stays as it is, but if the response is hostile there's still just enough time to adjust things to make it slightly less dark and more "commercial"?

Yes, the thought had occured to me. You'd think it would ahve been leaked atleast a month ago though. Well Eon, if you're reading this, so far the script is fantastic! I just hope there isn't near as much action in the 2nd and 3rd act.

[Bryan Harris]

Could this script have been leaked deliberately, as a way of countering (without being seen to be countering) the negative buzz surrounding Craig and CASINO ROYALE? Or merely as a bit of market research, in other words if the response is good the script stays as it is, but if the response is hostile there's still just enough time to adjust things to make it slightly less dark and more "commercial"?

I think that's plausible. Latino Review seems to have a good relationship with studio publicists; they often get exclusive pictures and early scripts for upcoming films (on a separate note, you might be interested in their script review for The Bourne Ultimatum).

[Loomis]

on a separate note, you might be interested in their script review for The Bourne Ultimatum

Cheers. I read it a while back, though, and thought the screenplay seemed bizarre and disappointing (and as a massive fan of the Bourne franchise who'd love to see it run as long as Bond, I hate the apparent idea of putting the series to bed after just three films).

Still, I'm sure it'll end up being good (especially with Greengrass now confirmed to direct). As the Latino Review writer points out: "It is still too early in the development process and the shooting script is at least 20 drafts away."

But I have to say that the CASINO ROYALE script sounds about 10 times more exciting than the one for THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM, and this is coming from someone who thinks both THE BOURNE IDENTITY and THE BOURNE SUPREMACY blow away virtually every Bond flick ever made.

[Jack Spang]

Yes, thanks for the Bourne link Harris. I wonder if Latin Review will give us a review of Act 2 and 3 of Casino Royale aswell?

Edited by Jack Spang, 11 February 2006 - 10:26 PM.

[Harmsway]

Yes, thanks for the Bourne link Harris. I wonder if Latin Review will give us a review of Act 2 and 3 of Royale aswell?

No, not their policy. They usually start and describe the opening of a flick and then they leave the rest out. I guess they do it as a courtesy to the filmmakers so that they don't spoil too much.

[Publius]

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Edited by Publius, 11 February 2006 - 10:34 PM.

[Emma]

Well it looks like fun, however I will reserved judgement until I see the end product. I read the script for Batman Begins last year prior to the release of the film and was pretty much underwhelmed. However I was pretty much impressed when I did see the film.

One minor quibble I do have is, that Bonds antics seem to be a tad 'laddish', and Daniel Craig strikes me as being way too grounded mature to be doing those sort of stunts. But like I said I will wait until the film debuts to render final judgement.

[Jack Spang]

Yes, thanks for the Bourne link Harris. I wonder if Latin Review will give us a review of Act 2 and 3 of Royale aswell?

No, not their policy. They usually start and describe the opening of a flick and then they leave the rest out. I guess they do it as a courtesy to the filmmakers so that they don't spoil too much.

Well, that's probably a good thing.

I have just re read it again and the more I read it the more I love it. Another great thing is that Bond is doing some actual spy and detective work for a change - tailing, research, breaking and entering...

I have to say, the posters on the CBn. forums seem to be be much more positive and mature than a proportion of posters on other Bond forums. Very refreshing.

Edited by Jack Spang, 11 February 2006 - 11:57 PM.

[james st.john smythe]

if i believed everything i read then newcastle united would haave the best 11 players in the world, and i know they have not. i know for a FACT that the script to any film gets changed all the time. i think this guy is talking TASH. proove me wrong in november!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Roebuck]

True, but I wonder how the "punch-in-the-stomach" ending will go over.

Audiences don't have much emotional investment in the girl so I think they'll take it in their stride, just like when Marie got shot in The Bourne Supremacy. For a satisfying ending the only character who actually has to survive is Bond. Besides, the media are going to make a big deal of both the torture scene and Vesper's death. Neither are going to be a big shock to ticket buying punters