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[JimmyBond]

theres a useful 4 letter word, and this dude is full of it

The site is quite respectable actually. They've done reviews on numerous scripts that films have yet to be released. I have no reason not to believe that this is the genuine article.

[timust3]

On the subject of Bond being in the SAS instead of the Royal Navy I did a little research on Wikipedia.org and Ian Fleming's James Bond obituary from YOLT.

According to Fleming, Bond was given the rank of lieutenat in the R.N.V.R in order to serve the confidental nature of his duties. Since the SAS is a secret organization the rank of lieutenat could have been the public cover for his involvement. It's interesting to note that the SAS was formed in 1941, the same year Bond entered the Ministry of Defence.

"By now it was 1941 and, by claiming an age of nineteen and with the help of an old Vickers colleague of his father, he entered a branch of what was subsequently to become the Ministry of Defence. To serve the confidential nature of his duties, he was accorded the rank of lieutenant in the Special Branch of the R.N.V.R., and it is a measure of the satisfaction his services gave to his superiors that he ended the war with the rank of Commander." - excerpt from Bond's Obituary from "You Only Live Twice"

Granted since Casino Royale has been modernized, Bond wouldn't have been in the SAS in the 1940s during World War II. So who knows. But this may be where Purvis & Wade / Haggis got the idea to make Bond from the SAS. Who knows, the guy at Latino review might not know the difference between the SAS and Royal Navy. I'm not sure how much of a Bond buff he is.

Edited by timust3, 11 February 2006 - 12:29 AM.

[Stratus]

After reading the review one more time, aside from the quibbles over the SAS thing, I am a bit more happy with everything, not as mixed as before. On hindsight it is cool that he is ex-SAS, it is one of the most respected and also ultra secretive organization in the world. But Bond's massive ego/arrogance is a bit offputting, it wouldn't make sense that someone like that be ex-SAS. SAS work in teams/groups and are about cohesion.

I can actually visualize Craig pulling all those scenes off. I wish they just cast a male M instead of recasting Judi Dench. I am having a hard time imagining her work in this context. For some reason I could imagine Connery in this role

EDIT: I just noticed the math genius part; it is REALLY FLAWED. If any of you chaps do card counting that is stupid, the only card game worth a damn in terms of using math is Black Jack. A math genius would NOT even bother playing a game of poker. I think they should leave out the math genius part OUT.

I hope someone like Stax gives a second opinion and another person for a third. Plurality always help. I am not putting much stock on Moriarty for now since he hasn't offered any compelling arguments.

On a off note anyone read that last part about the KASHMIR spec script? Maybe EON should get D.B. Weiss to write Bond 22 instead of bloody Purvis and Wade.

Edited by Stratus, 11 February 2006 - 12:42 AM.

[Donovan]

Wow, two weeks into filming and the script has already leaked. The whole thing will probably be on the Internet, or at least via bit torrent, by March.

I hope it's good. I just love to get completely lost in a Bond film. Hasn't really happened to my satisfaction in a while.

[triviachamp]

Wow, two weeks into filming and the script has already leaked.

Doesn't this happen often before filming?

[Fro]

I disagree completely... math is essential to playing good poker!

In modern strategy, the big judgement you make is calculating the odds of getting a card that'll likely win a hand. You take that and judge that against the size of the pot and how much money you'll have to put into the pot to have a chance to win it (for instance, if you could win a $5 million pot by only putting in $5000, you'd want to take a shot at it, even if the odds were 10 to 1 of you winning it).

Certainly a math genius would have an advantage at crunching the numbers quickly. That would probably make him a better player, and at the least he could make faster decisions which would lead to more effective bluffing. A true genius could probably crunch the odds of the opposing players of having certain cards (combined their knowledge from player tells) and gain even more of a little advantage. Even gaining a fraction of a percentage in a Poker game pays off quite well over hundreds of hands in a game.

Most great players play this way, ever since Doyle Brunson came out with his "Super System" book 30 years ago.

[zencat]

theres a useful 4 letter word, and this dude is full of it

The site is quite respectable actually. They've done reviews on numerous scripts that films have yet to be released. I have no reason not to believe that this is the genuine article.

Latino Review is very credible. The script IS genuine.

[Stratus]

I disagree completely... math is essential to playing good poker!

In modern strategy, the big judgement you make is calculating the odds of getting a card that'll likely win a hand. You take that and judge that against the size of the pot and how much money you'll have to put into the pot to have a chance to win it (for instance, if you could win a $5 million pot by only putting in $5000, you'd want to take a shot at it, even if the odds were 10 to 1 of you winning it).

Certainly a math genius would have an advantage at crunching the numbers quickly. That would probably make him a better player, and at the least he could make faster decisions which would lead to more effective bluffing. A true genius could probably crunch the odds of the opposing players of having certain cards (combined their knowledge from player tells) and gain even more of a little advantage. Even gaining a fraction of a percentage in a Poker game pays off quite well over hundreds of hands in a game.

Most great players play this way, ever since Doyle Brunson came out with his "Super System" book 30 years ago.

Ergo counting techniques. But your odds of winning with this technique is significantly high for something like Black Jack. That is also why they use several decks of cards instead of one nowadays because of counting. The math certainly helps but in this context of Poker it will hardly make a massive dent on his chances. I say leave out that little part of exposition.

[Jack Spang]

I like what they've done alot. I just don't think they do justice having a quick four minute scene with him killing the two guys which gives him his Double O. Anyway, one of the guys Bond had to kill was a Japanese diplomat in a building with a snipers rifle in New York. This is more Fleming. Don't know if I like it being set in a bathroom in a cricket ground. It does reflect the rough dirtiness of his business however. I just don't understand why they couldn't be faithful to this. Anyway, it is just a minor thng. On the whole the script sounds wonderful aside for all the action and globe trotting. However, if most of the action is in Act 1 and we get much more into the character movement for the rest of the film it'll be fine.

[DLibrasnow]

On the subject of Bond being in the SAS instead of the Royal Navy I did a little research on Wikipedia.org and Ian Fleming's James Bond obituary from YOLT.

But wouldn't the SBS (Special Boat Squadron) make more sense for someone from the Royal Navy?!

[Donovan]

Wow, two weeks into filming and the script has already leaked.

Doesn't this happen often before filming?

I honestly haven't noticed if it happens before filming. I can't think of an instance where it has, especially where Bond is concerned.

[timust3]

On the subject of Bond being in the SAS instead of the Royal Navy I did a little research on Wikipedia.org and Ian Fleming's James Bond obituary from YOLT.

But wouldn't the SBS (Special Boat Squadron) make more sense for someone from the Royal Navy?!

Very true. They might have chosen the SAS since it is more well known. Seeing as those this info is handled in the pre-credit sequence through photos, it may wind up being a minor detail. We'll have to wait and see if Bond's background is discussed in dialogue w/ other characters. It'll be interesting to see how they handle it.

[Harmsway]

I just wanted to let you guys know - I e-mailed El Mayimbe (who did the script review) asking whether or not "The bitch is dead" is the end of the film (whether or not there are scenes after it, or whether it was there at all, etc.).

The answer: IT IS IN FACT THE LAST LINE OF THE FILM AND CLOSES CASINO ROYALE. What a gutsy end.

[Andrew]

I just wanted to let you guys know - I e-mailed El Mayimbe (who did the script review) asking whether or not "The bitch is dead" is the end of the film (whether or not there are scenes after it, or whether it was there at all, etc.).

The answer: IT IS IN FACT THE LAST LINE OF THE FILM AND CLOSES CASINO ROYALE. What a gutsy end.

Yay! Thanks for your initiative!

This just keeps getting better it seems...

Edited by Andrew, 11 February 2006 - 03:12 AM.

[TerminalLon3some]

This sounds absolutely fantastic. In fact, this is more then I could have asked for if it turns out to be true, because this is what a Bond movie should be. I hope this film will do Fleming proud. BTW, a previous poster noted that the mongoose/cobra fight thing was very Fleming-esque and I agree 100% that's exactly what I thought of when I read it too. Awesome!



Take 'er easy
-matt

[K1Bond007]

On the subject of Bond being in the SAS instead of the Royal Navy I did a little research on Wikipedia.org and Ian Fleming's James Bond obituary from YOLT.

But wouldn't the SBS (Special Boat Squadron) make more sense for someone from the Royal Navy?!

No. Anyone can try and join the SAS. All you need is 3 years of service in any branch of the British military.

[Quartermaster007]

Bond is an arrogant prick in this script and full of ego

Rather liked that bit.

Starting to sound very promising, indeed.

[Publius]

The powers that be may finally be showing some testicular fortitude. I like what I'm hearing so far: arrogant and gritty Bond, torture scene, perfect final line, and (just my hunch) the first distinct possibility in a long while of a "James Bond will return in..." to finish off the movie. They've shown enough cojones so far, don't see why they wouldn't go the distance. Lord knows I'd give the film a standing ovation just for the "bitch is dead"/"End of CR...but JB will return in..." combo.

[Gobi-1]

Love what I read but hope that there is still some humor in the script. I think they can milk some character humor out of Bond's ego and being a snob with regards to fashion and style.

[Harmsway]

The powers that be may finally be showing some testicular fortitude. I like what I'm hearing so far: arrogant and gritty Bond, torture scene, perfect final line, and (just my hunch) the first distinct possibility in a long while of a "James Bond will return in..." to finish off the movie. They've shown enough cojones so far, don't see why they wouldn't go the distance. Lord knows I'd give the film a standing ovation just for the "bitch is dead"/"End of CR...but JB will return in..." combo.

I'd love to see the who title sequence with the whole "Bond will return in..." bit that I've missed for so long, but odds are it's not going to happen. I don't think EON wants to write themselves into a corner with BOND 22 with CASINO ROYALE being as risky as it is.

I'm not quite sure how well this is going to go over. I thought a while ago that CASINO ROYALE would hardly inspire hatred and that it would generally be liked by the populace. But now... while I love what I'm hearing I'm not quite sure what the average moviegoer will make of it.

Love what I read but hope that there is still some humor in the script. I think they can milk some character humor out of Bond's ego and being a snob with regards to fashion and style.

Oh, I think there's some humor in the script. By all means, CASINO ROYALE strikes me as still having a sense of fun about it. I also remember Campbell's insistence that CASINO ROYALE get back to the "wit" of James Bond, rather than the poor puns.

If Marktmurphy's source is to believed (and this review has confirmed some of what that source had to say - namely the idea of some kind of under-the-skin implant), there's certainly going to be a nice little line with "That last hand almost killed me."

[DanMan]

All sounds very cool. The thing that struck me the most was the mongoose/cobra fight. Sounds very Fleming.

[Jack Spang]

I just wanted to let you guys know - I e-mailed El Mayimbe (who did the script review) asking whether or not "The bitch is dead" is the end of the film (whether or not there are scenes after it, or whether it was there at all, etc.).

The answer: IT IS IN FACT THE LAST LINE OF THE FILM AND CLOSES CASINO ROYALE. What a gutsy end.

Yay! Thanks for your initiative!

This just keeps getting better it seems...

Thank you! This is the best news! I was wondering if the suicide would be in it (and right at the end) and it seems like it is. I would be most disappointed if it isn't. I wonder if the Aston Martin DBS will have gadgets in it? Is everyone certain this review is true? I hope so but I don't want to get my hopes up then be very disappointed.

I don't mind humour but just not to much and definitely not one liners. It should be intelligent and subtle. I love it that Bond is an arrogant prick and it cracks me up the way he breaks into M’s house. What a rogue. I love it! The Cobra Mongoose fight also sounds bloody brilliant.

Edited by Jack Spang, 11 February 2006 - 07:09 AM.

[Blofeld's Cat]

So the movie follows closely to the book with one line.

Why doesn't Bond get his Double-O licence by killing the same two bods described in the book?

[Ouroboros]

Hmm, still keeping my poker face (Ha!) on in regards to both the reboot and the casting of Craig. I am cautiously optimistic about the film, although there are a few things that I'm not so happy about.

One thing I like is that it looks like there is a nice emphasis on action. As someone mentioned earlier the Cobra/Mongoose fight sounds good, like it will add some exotic flair. In addition winning the Aston is a very nice touch.

What I'm not too keen on is how much they're grounding the film. CNN.com breaking a story about a British assassin? Again, as many have said, I hope they're not taking their cues from the Bourne series too much. I love the Bond novels just as much, if not more, than the next guy, but the film Bond has always had a certain larger-than-life quality that I hope they maintain. There's nothing concrete to say they aren't keeping it, but there are some general indications it is going away.

[Jack Spang]

So the movie follows closely to the book with one line.

Why doesn't Bond get his Double-O licence by killing the same two bods described in the book?

Yes, I've been wondering the same thing. I really don't know why they felt it necessary to change this. It was the Japanese diplomat and wasn't the other a chap in Stockholm? Plus, why he is suddenly coming from the SAS instead of the Royal Navy too is beyond me. What on earth is the point in changing this?

I hope the Loket castle is in it. Very Fleming. They must retain some of the typcial Fleming fantsasy elements. In addition, I hope like hell they cut right down on the action for the last two thirds of the film. Three major action sequences in the first 4O odd minutes! That's alot. Aside for the pre title sequence, I wonder how long they will last for. Hopefully not to long.

Edited by Jack Spang, 11 February 2006 - 07:15 AM.

[JimmyBond]

In addition, I hope like hell they cut right down on the action for the last two thirds of the film. Three major action sequences in the first 4O odd minutes! That's alot.

Since the author of the review was so kind in answering the question regarding the final line of the script. I e-mailed a question off as well. I asked your very question actually: "How well is the action balanced out against the story." We'll see if I get my answer

[K1Bond007]

So the movie follows closely to the book with one line.

Why doesn't Bond get his Double-O licence by killing the same two bods described in the book?

One of the guys he kills for his Double-O betrayed a couple of agents. I think the film is just going off that by saying Dryden (I think that was his name) sold secrets to some guy in Pakistan. Instead of just killing Dryden though Bond takes it a step further and kills his contact. It's probably better this way otherwise you'd have to come up with a completely unrelated mission all in the span of the PTS. As Bond states in CR, it's not hard to get a double-O (once you're trained, no doubt). All you gotta do is be willing to kill someone.

Parts of act 2 and 3 follow the book. This is what the writers have been saying.

[00-FAN008]

All the script needs is a layer of skin and badda-bing-badda-boom...

[marktmurphy]

After reading the review one more time, aside from the quibbles over the SAS thing, I am a bit more happy with everything, not as mixed as before. On hindsight it is cool that he is ex-SAS, it is one of the most respected and also ultra secretive organization in the world. But Bond's massive ego/arrogance is a bit offputting, it wouldn't make sense that someone like that be ex-SAS. SAS work in teams/groups and are about cohesion.

But form what I've seen of the SAS (there was a documentary a while back speaking to ex-members) they're essentially like an even harder version of a rugby team: very confident (well, you would be knowing you're pretty tasty in every fight coming), ladsy and fulls of balls. And for some reason, often moustache-sporting. Aside from the 'tache, Bond seems pretty spot on for an ex-SAS soldier.

[whitesox]

This sounds absolutely fantastic. In fact, this is more then I could have asked for if it turns out to be true, because this is what a Bond movie should be. I hope this film will do Fleming proud. BTW, a previous poster noted that the mongoose/cobra fight thing was very Fleming-esque and I agree 100% that's exactly what I thought of when I read it too. Awesome!



Take 'er easy
-matt

BTW, the script says this fight is set in Lahore. Isn't it in India? Doesn't it fit with our Indian pal Gulshan Glover who said months ago he would play a villain in C.R.?????? Could it finally be true??? He perhaps has been actualy approached, after all....