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#1 Mister Asterix

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Posted 14 November 2001 - 08:40 PM

Okay, I've decided I want to dig up some information and since its a bit time consuming I thought I'd put it out out on the board and ask for some help. Here it is:

How many people has James Bond killed?

I'd like to know both for the movies and for the books. So here is what I'm asking next time you are watching one of the movies or reading the books keep a slip of paper with you and jot down a tally. Make notes of any kills you think questionable. (e.g. did that guy really die and was it Bond who killed that guy.) And make your best estimate in mass slaughter scenes. (e.g. I'd guess there were X hundred people left in the hollow volcano.)

Anyway I figure it might make an interesting twist next time you are re-enjoying Bond to keep score. I'd like to get a total for both each actor and each author. So whether you are watching Roger Moore or reading Kingsley Amis, I would appreciate if you would check in to this thread and post your totals.

So that's the rules, enjoy the game, and let the killing begin!

LATEST SCORE:[size=1]


Movie Sure Kills ?
Kills
Est.
Kills
Range Total Agent Score*
Dr. No 2 6 0 2-8 8 Jim 8
From Russia With Love 7 0-18 0 7-25 18 White Persian 18
Goldfinger 6 1-30 30? 6-36 6 00* 6
Thunderball 12 0-7 0 12-19 14 White Persian 14
You Only Live Twice 20 0-12 0 20-32 21 00* 21
On Her Majesty's Secret Service 6 0-2 0 6-8 6 White Persian 6
Diamonds Are Forever 8 2 0 8-10 8 00* 8
Live And Let Die 4 5 0 4-9 8 00* 8
The Man With The Golden Gun 1 0 0 1 1 Jim 1
1 0-3 0 1 1 00*
The Spy Who Loved Me 10 0-12 25-50 35-72 51 00* 51
Moonraker 11 0-5 0 11-16 14 00* 14
For Your Eyes Only 11 0-4 0 11-15 13 Jim 13
Octopussy 10 0-5 40-100 50-115 78 00* 78
Never Say Never Again** 2 5 0 2-7 2 White Persian 2
A View To A Kill 2 1 0 2-3 2 Jim 2
The Living Daylights 4 1 0 4-5 5 Jim 5
Licence To Kill 8 2 0 8-10 10 Jim 10
Goldeneye 16 0-14 80-500 96-530 237 00* 237
Tomorrow Never Dies 10 7 18 10-40 35 Jim 63.5
29 4-7 12-147 45-183 92 00*
The World Is Not Enough 21 0 0 21 21 00Cheese 20.5
17 3 0 17-23 20 Jim
Bond 20 - - - - - - -
TOTALS 584 (586)

Actor Average Total
Sean Connery 12.5 (11) 75 (77)
George Lazenby 6 6
Roger Moore 23.86 167
Timothy Dalton 7.5 15
Pierce Brosnan 107 321
Average for All 30.74 (29.3)


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Posted 04 December 2001 - 01:44 PM

Trevelyan (23 Nov, 2001 11:09 p.m.):
I always thought as Kamal as the main villian.


True, but he's more interesting if you consider him the series' best written henchman rather than its worst written villain.

After all; what does he actually get from Orlov's plot? And what does he bring to the party? If the knife twins are Orlov's men, rather than Kamal's, they're capable of switching the smuggled jewels for the bomb, without having to have Kamal standing around watching them. Orlov has the bomb (quite where he got it is another matter), Octopussy has the circus cover for Orlov to exploit and Kamal has...an egg?

If all he's in it for are the jewels, is that really any sort of motivation to blow a big smelly hole in West Germany? And pray tell, what does he actually intend to do with the jewels once he's got them? they'd be a little difficult to sell.

If anyone can explain what he's actually doing in the film at all, I'd be grateful. I know this is off message. Sorry.

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Posted 04 December 2001 - 01:38 PM

One thought springs to mind (just the one? It'll die of loneliness).

I'm sure that in the books, Bond's licence is more specific i.e. he has a licence to kill X, not (as it has turned out) carte blance.

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Posted 03 December 2001 - 10:51 PM

I've updated the totals on page one again and with just two more movies the totals have almost tripled to:

454

And that's with only fourteen of the nineteen movies counted. Averaging it out for nineteen movie Bond is on Pace for 616. There have been wars with less dead than those left in Bond's wake.

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Posted 03 December 2001 - 09:22 PM

Well if he only hit him over the head, then no he's not dead. Unless he had a really weak skull.

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Posted 03 December 2001 - 01:53 PM

Blue Eyes (03 Dec, 2001 10:10 a.m.):

Mister Asterix (03 Dec, 2001 04:11 a.m.):
Feathered motorcyclist. I'm saying he killed himself.


I disagree. I think Bond had a lot to do with his death. Okay he was a stupid person, but take out Bond and he doesn't die. So I say it's a kill.


Yeah, I went back and forth on that one. But I came to the conclusion that all Bond did was swurve to avoid being killed himself. I didn't think it was a case of Bond turning the man weapon back against him. But with some more arguement I could be convinced to change my mind.


Blue Eyes (03 Dec, 2001 10:10 a.m.):

Red Overalled Guard hit with the Speargun. (Was that a speargun? it kind of looked like a big blue nailgun.) What ever it was I think this chap suvived.


A spear through the torso? I think it's the guy you're talking about. Well I think he's dead. Come on, it's a spear? It's not as if Stromberg cares enough to have a good medical crew! :)


No, this wasn't one of the two Red Guys who took the spear through the belly; it was the fellow that Bond hit with the actual butt-end of the empty speargun after killing those other two Reds. I almost didn't list this one at all.

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Posted 03 December 2001 - 10:10 AM

Mister Asterix (03 Dec, 2001 04:11 a.m.):
Feathered motorcyclist. I'm saying he killed himself.


I disagree. I think Bond had a lot to do with his death. Okay he was a stupid person, but take out Bond and he doesn't die. So I say it's a kill.

Red Overalled Guard hit with the Speargun. (Was that a speargun? it kind of looked like a big blue nailgun.) What ever it was I think this chap suvived.


A spear through the torso? I think it's the guy you're talking about. Well I think he's dead. Come on, it's a spear? It's not as if Stromberg cares enough to have a good medical crew! :)

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Posted 03 December 2001 - 04:11 AM

Agent 00* report code: TSWLM

Bond's Body Count for the movie
The Spy Who Loved Me:

51


Questionable Kills:


Ivan and Boris. XXX's two men at the Pyramids. I have to think they were just knocked out.

Feathered motorcyclist. I'm saying he killed himself.

The three men in the car with Jaws that crashes into through roof of the house after Bond squirts mud on the windshield. I have to say yes on these three. Jaws was the only one to walk away from that crash.

Scuba Guy hit by the Lotus. I've got to think that he survived. You can see his hand still moving after he was hit.

Red Overalled Guard hit with the Speargun. (Was that a speargun? it kind of looked like a big blue nailgun.) What ever it was I think this chap suvived.

Red Guard kicked down the stairs. I don't think this guy died but that was an awful lot of stairs.

The Red Guy in the monorail. (Do all villains of this era have monorails?) and the Red Guard outside of the monorail. I vote for knocked out on these two.

Three guys in jeep like thing inside the Liparus during the big battle that Bond throws a grenade near. To me it looks like the guy in back dies and the two in front survive.

Estimated Kills:


Battle For The Liparus
I'm guessing that there were 3-10 red guys shot by Bond with the machine gun during the battle. Estimate: 6

{b]The Detonator[/b]
I counted at least 30 Red Men plus an Officer in the control room. I'm going to estimate 31 because though I know they all didn't die I don't think you could see them all on screen. (I don't have a widescreen version)

Sure Kills:


Sergei is shot by Bond's ski pole rocket during the teaser.

Sandor 'What a helpful chap'

Naomi

Scuba guy hit by missle from the Lotus

Two Red Guards on Stromberg's tanker with single shot from the (?)Speargun

Two guard on the gangplank in the room where the sub crews were being held.

One definite hit during the battle in the Liparus.

Stomberg

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That makes my total for The Spy Who Loved Me: fifty-one.

Notes: My source was my tape of the film off of TBS's 7 days of 007

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Posted 02 December 2001 - 04:45 PM

Agent 00* reporting:

Bond's Body Count for the movie
GoldenEye:

237


Questionable Kills:


Officer In the heads. 'Forgot to knock' It looks like Bond just knocks him out but I don't thjink Bond would leave him alive and if he was only unconcious or tied up then he would have died in the explosion.

Sailor on the Manticore that Bond throw's down the steps. Have to say yes on this one.

When the tank runs over the pile up of Russian jeeps and police cars. It is not clear that all escaped but I think the film-makers wanted us to know that they did with shots of everybody climbing out of their vehicles. I'm saying 0 here but it could be up to 5.

Second cop in police car that tank runs over. I have to count this one.

Up to 4 policemen killed by the wings of the pegasus statue. I'm going to say 3 here.

I'm going to have to give the death of the train's conductor to Trevalyan.

Guard in elevator at the dish in Cuba while Bond and Natalya are escaping. I have to say yes, because even if he were only knocked out the dish collapse would have killed him.

Estimated Kills:


Weapons Facility:
Seen:
aprox. 30 soldiers (maybe more if my tape were widescreen)
2 Motorcycle guys
1 Pilot
Unseen:
This is the tough part I'm going guess that one-third of the soldiers were seen, so we'll say 60 more (but this could be in the hundreds). Plus say 30 workers and bureaucrats and workers and 10 others (These numbers could also be in the hundreds).
The Calculation:
I'm going to estimate that 60% of those on the runway died and 90% of those within the facility.
Estimate: (60% of 33 is 20 plus 90% of 100 is 90 ): 110

Pen Grenade Under Cuban Dish:
There are 9 sure dead here. I'm going to estimate 15 more for a total of 24. But the question is did Bond kill these people or did Boris who triggered the Grenade. I'm going to give these to Bond because these people were killed not by the actual grenade but by the explosion of the fuel stores that Bond knocked the grenade in to, I would think purposely.

Cuban Dish Collapse
This maybe my wildest guess of the series, but it is clearly Bond who causes the Dish to collapse. I'm going to guess that there were about 120 people working at the facility many had died already before the collapse. But did any evacuate from the previous explosion. Where would they go? There is no sign of them afterward. Estimate 80.


Sure Kills:


Escaping from his cell before going in to the Archives Bond kills 7 Russian soldiers with a machine gun.
In the Archive Bond shoots 3 more.
When the Tank runs over the police car while driving down the steet it clearly kills one of the police officers smashing him with the treads. Very nasty.
Ourumov
Helicopter Pilot in Cuba
Xenia 'She always did enjoy a good squeeze'
Trevalyan
Boris

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My total for GoldenEye is two-hundred-and-thirty-seven. This movie more than doubles Bond's total kills. After the count is done I wouldn't be surprised if half of Bond's kills are in GoldenEye alone.

I will update the total numbers on this Monday.

Notes: My source was the American VHS version of Goldeneye

Agent 00* out. And again exhausted.

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Posted 27 November 2001 - 03:06 PM

Blue Eyes (27 Nov, 2001 10:08 a.m.):
And just to show my appreciation I've just plugged your little project on the main page. Check out http://www.commander...n=Story&SID=632

Hopefully this will attract a few more visitors to your cause!


Thanks Eyes. I'd love to get some more people involved and get the rest of these movies counted and to get more opinions on the ones counted already. And don't forget I'd like to get a tally for the books too, but I suspect that will be a very long term project.

I've updated the scores. For 12 movies, 007 has a killing total of:

166

Average that out over 19 movies to about 283 kills.

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Posted 27 November 2001 - 01:47 PM

The Living Daylights

The sure kills

1. Whitaker
2. Necros
3. Saboteur bloke in the pre-credits sequence
4. Bloke in tank on bridge when Bond dumps his load on him. The mucky pup. We don't see anyone else in the tank, but there's probably a driver (say) so this is 4 and probably a 5.

The debateable kills

I'm not convinced that Bond kills anybody during the airbase fight. he seems to leave that to the Taliban or whatever they were meant to be. And now the Russians are our chums. Politics, huh?

Neither does he kill anyone with the missiles fired from the Aston Martin (although that's debateable, it's not explicit by any means).

If this is right, there's about an hour and a half of the film between Bond's kills.

And a grand total of 4 (or 5).

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Posted 27 November 2001 - 10:08 AM

And just to show my appreciation I've just plugged your little project on the main page. Check out http://www.commander...n=Story&SID=632

Hopefully this will attract a few more visitors to your cause!

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Posted 27 November 2001 - 10:04 AM

Blue Eyes (27 Nov, 2001 09:56 a.m.):
Guys, I'd just like to say that I'm really enjoying this thread. Keep up the good work.

It certainly gives you that Ghengis Khan sort of feeling.:)

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Posted 17 December 2001 - 05:22 PM

The latest totals are posted and with seventeen of the nineteen movies our man Bond has a total of:

492


494 if you include Never Say Never Again.

If we take the average of the seventeen over and spread it over nineteen, 007 is on track for 550. (Only 549 including Never Say Never Again)

Only Thunderball and Octopussy left to go. (And Casino Royale if anyone is interested). And we'd love a second or third opinions on any of the movies already reported on.

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Posted 27 November 2001 - 10:03 AM

Ooops!

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Posted 17 December 2001 - 09:47 PM

Mister Asterix (17 Dec, 2001 05:22 p.m.):
And Casino Royale if anyone is interested.


The difficulty with Casino Royale is deciding which of the various James Bonds is actually Bond.

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Posted 27 November 2001 - 09:56 AM

Guys, I'd just like to say that I'm really enjoying this thread. Keep up the good work. When you've finished all the films it will be a major post on the main page!

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Posted 27 November 2001 - 03:04 AM

Agent 00* report code: DAF

Bond's Body Count for the movie
Diamonds Are Forever:

8


The Questionable Kills:
The man who gets Bond's pocket trap. I say he was just knocked out

The crane operator on the ocean platform. Also knocked out

The Sure Kills:
The man outside clinic in teaser. (?)
The Man in the mud. (Drowned in mud)
Thug in Clinic. (Bond kills with scalpels)
Blofeld look-a-like #1
Peter Franks
Blofeld look-a-like #2 'Wrong pussy'
Mr. Kidd
Mr. Wint

My total for Diamonds Are Forever is Eight.

Other observations: Sean Connery did not avert his gentlemanly gaze when 'Marie' appears topless during the pre-title sequence.

Notes: My source was my tape of the film off of TBS's 7 days of 007

Agent 00* out. I will update the totals tomorrow.

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Posted 27 November 2001 - 02:37 AM

Agent 00* report code: YOLT

Bond's Body Count for the movie
You Only Live Twice:

21


The Questionable Kills:
Driver who takes Bond from Dikko's to Osato. This one is almost a sure kill.

6 Men on the roof at the docks. I think these men were just knockedut but the camera was at very wide shot so it is hard to say exactly what happened.

4 men in the Astronaut's cell. I find it hard to believe that Bond would leave these men alive but nothing was shown that made it so I could count them. (This may have been because the tape I watched was off of commercial television and it may have been edited.)

1 man outside of Astronaut's cell. Have to say no for the same reasons as above.

The Sure Kills:
The man who killed Dikko.(Bond knifes him)
The man outside of Osato (shot).
Three thugs at the dock (shot).
4 Helecopter pilots (flame thrower, mines, rocket, air-to-air missile; all from Little Nellie).
The man who kills Aki (shot).
The man with the blade in bamboo staff at the ninja school (stabbed with his own weapon).
The man in the control room that Bond shoots with the cigarette rocket.
The following are all during the raid on the volcano base:
  • Man behind barrels (Bond shoots him with Blofeld's gun).
  • Two men on stairs to control room. (Grenade)
  • Another man on stairs (shot w/Blofeld's Gun).
  • Final man on stairs (throwing star).

Hans 'Bon Appetite'
Two reserve SPECTRE astronauts.

My total for You Only Live Twice is Twenty-One.

Notes: My source was my tape of the film off of TBS's 7 days of 007

Agent 00* out.

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Posted 18 December 2001 - 09:08 AM

White Persian (17 Dec, 2001 09:47 p.m.):

Mister Asterix (17 Dec, 2001 05:22 p.m.):
And Casino Royale if anyone is interested.


The difficulty with Casino Royale is deciding which of the various James Bonds is actually Bond.

I'm sure even the flick's producers and directors would find it difficult to determine which Bond is Bond. :)

My take is that Niven is supposed to be the real Bond. But that may seem too logical for an illogical film.

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Posted 18 December 2001 - 11:58 AM

Blofeld's Cat (18 Dec, 2001 09:08 a.m.):


My take is that Niven is supposed to be the real Bond [in Casino Royale] .


If so, since he had a daughter by Mata Hari (who was executed in about 1918), and had accepted a knighthood (whereas Fleming's Bond knocked one back in TMWTGG), then he appears to belong to an earlier generation than the 007 we know and love.
But you're right, this is arguing way to literally for such an hallucinogenic bit of cinema.

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Posted 18 December 2001 - 09:01 PM

I guess for Casino Royale each James Bond should get his or her own totals. So, for example, you say Sir James Bond had 2 kills, Evelyn Tremble/James Bond had 1 kill, Cooper/James Bond had 1 kill, The Seal/James Bond had 4 kills. And then there would be totals for all the James Bonds.

I am not going to do it.

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Posted 23 November 2001 - 11:09 PM

I always thought as Kamal as the main villian.

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Posted 23 November 2001 - 11:05 PM

How many died in the pre-credits of GoldenEye? 10 More?

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Posted 18 December 2001 - 09:51 PM

Personally I wouldn't include Casino Royale. Unlike NSNA it doesn't really even try to be your run of the mill James Bond film.

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Posted 18 December 2001 - 10:43 PM

Blue Eyes (18 Dec, 2001 09:51 p.m.):
Personally I wouldn't include Casino Royale. Unlike NSNA it doesn't really even try to be your run of the mill James Bond film.


Your probably right. I don't think I'll include it in the total, but if some sat through the movie and counted it out, I would at least put the information in a form where you could compare say Niven to Lazenby, etc.

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Posted 19 December 2001 - 12:07 AM

Can anyone sit through that movie without wanting to put the kettle on? Truely? It's nice to watch it with the sound off I find.... That's my tip of the day "kids"!

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Posted 19 December 2001 - 12:39 AM

Evil Doctor Cheese (19 Dec, 2001 12:07 a.m.):(edited)
..."kids"...


You truly are the most evil of the dairy products.

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Posted 23 November 2001 - 07:36 PM

Jim (23 Nov, 2001 08:02 a.m.):
I could cravenly beg your pardon for getting that one wrong; I suppose that's why the 'plane crashed.

Alternatively, one could argue that Orlov is the villain in Octopussy and James Bond doesn't kill him. Kamal Kahn is a nonentity.


Kamal Khan is credited everywhere as the main villain of Octopussy.

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Posted 19 December 2001 - 11:36 AM

Mister Asterix (19 Dec, 2001 12:39 a.m.):

Evil Doctor Cheese (19 Dec, 2001 12:07 a.m.):(edited)
..."kids"...


You truly are the most evil of the dairy products.

Stilton immediately springs to mind. :)