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[Skudor]

It won't be Jolie. She's too mature - Vesper needs to be sweet and make us feel comfortable before twisting the knife in our backs. Oh, and she should be British (unless the script has turned her into an American).

[Shrublands]

I meant the LAYER CAKE-reason... Although it was a pity that in the film they never really came together.

They have made up for it since.

Layer Cake is only a small slice of the reason they won

[Alessandra]

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Hmm, so much dislike of Angelina Jolie turns our ladies into Bond-haters? You wouldn

[Shrublands]

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[Alessandra]

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[Shrublands]

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[tonymascia1]

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[Alessandra]

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[Shrublands]

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[pieffra]

I like angelina, but I don't see her as a Bond girl.

[Alessandra]

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[mkkbb]

Nooo, I hope not. I don't really find her that attractive (and I didn't find Halle BErry too attractive either). Plus we've had 2 American Bond girls in a row so far, don't make it 3.

She is also more well known than Craig so it would be a bad choice as it would make the focus more on her than Bond. And she isn't really the Vesper Lynd type.

[SeanValen00V]

Isn't the movie Casino Royale and not the dreaded Tomb Raider movies. Seriously, EON won't and shouldn't consider this actress. Her popularity is in full blossom(hmm just like Halle) but we need an European actress to step into Vesper's high heels. If you want an actress of Jolie's calibur that is well known just go with Monica Bellucci.

Monica would of been back in Bond's TND, yet she was never chosen, we got Denise Richards an Halle Berry.

Don't give EON that much credit, they've got a hella lot to prove for fans.

If their Bond isn't popular in the press, I wouldn't best against them making the co stars as big as Bond.

Remember the DAD posters, Halle Berry equal billing as Brosnan, what the hell!

Angelina Jolie unlike Halle Berry would make people go and watch the film in the US. I see Sony/EON comprimise to lock in a audience.


I fear in dumping Brosnan, there gonna look for other people to up the box office, thus comprimise the real issue, can Craig sell a Bond film........

[SeanValen00V]

It won't be Jolie.  She's too mature - Vesper needs to be sweet and make us feel comfortable before twisting the knife in our backs.  Oh, and she should be British (unless the script has turned her into an American).

And why is Judi dench beening sought to come back? Craig looks like he's in his 40s, Dench is older, might as well go maturer route.

Some weird casting choices already seem in CR.

[Loomis]

She would overshadow the film and be a distraction in the same way Berry was a distraction in DAD. That would be very wrong for this important tone-setting film. Vesper needs to be a very talented, very beautiful unknown actress. Another Isabella S, IMO.

Exactly, although I think we need another Famke J for Vesper, not another Izabella S.

[SecretAgentFan]

Yes! But the Famke of Goldeneye. Not the Famke of X-Men or Nip/Tuck.

[Alessandra]

She would overshadow the film and be a distraction in the same way Berry was a distraction in DAD. That would be very wrong for this important tone-setting film. Vesper needs to be a very talented, very beautiful unknown actress. Another Isabella S, IMO.

Exactly, although I think we need another Famke J for Vesper, not another Izabella S.

I really liked Izabella.. although my favourite in recent times was Carey Lowell... beautiful, sexy and extremely classy. Probably too "old" now to play Vesper. So... Keira Knightley I say. If she can carry out a massive acting job like Elizabeth Bennet in Pride and Prejudice, and be the violent druggie in her new movie, she can be Vesper as well. I think...
Anyway, and seriously. ANYTHING BUT Jolie.

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[Shrublands]

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[Alessandra]

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[MarJil]

Anjelina is usually pretty fun to watch, but she just doesn't fit for Vesper Lynd. Vesper is more of a "lady," if you will, not an kicking femme fatale, but more subtle and lady-like, and who doesn't get involved in the physical side of the action. Diane Kruger would be good, or better still Kate Beckinsale. Someone like that.

[WC]

Jolie would be absolutely dreadful for CR. In every way! It's bad enough that Craig isn't the most attractive Bond, but putting him up against Jolie who recently won FHM's #1 sexiest woman (not that I would've put her there myself) is insane! EON have a hard enough task marketing Craig to an audience - now compared with Jolie, he would look positively ugly. Who are they going to have on the posters as the main attraction? Jolie? Or Craig? Because I can just see Jolie would end up the centre of attention, even more so than Halle Berry. Bond would be shifted to the side somewhere with Jolie most prominent.

Craig needs to be surrounded by an actress who won't overshadow him. Make him look good, even. Give him an old bag to star alongside, and that will make him look absolutely dashing. Perhaps he could have Dame Judi as Sylvia Dench?

Seriously though, he needs an unknown. This would become the new Angelina Jolie movie, not the new Bond movie. We really don't need comparisons with Tomb Raider either. I can't see myself watching this with Jolie either, because I just know it would be even worse in that respect than DAD, which I hated.

[Emma]

Now, if she was in it, I can tell you know, she'll be the reason most people I know would watch the film, I have a feeling they will cast a big familar actress thus to sell off to US audiences, they won't come to see Craig as Bond, but the Bond girl, is this Sony/EON's way to pump up the box office I think. They did it with Halle Berry in DAD, but she wasn't needed in that.

I would be disappointed a bit, Bond girls, the best ones have been unknowns, discovered, I love Jolie, but if someone like her is cast, it pretty much means Sony know the brosnanless factor might need a star woman in the role.

Jolie would be less expensive then hiring Brosnan.I have a feeling that craig's appoinment as Bond mean finding bigger names as supporting actresses and actors.


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I have to agree...sounds like damage control. If this is true, she is being cast in order to make up for the negative reaction to Craig being cast. Financially it would be a good decision. Jolie being in Bond would conjure up memories of "Mr. & Mrs. Smith. Which was a huge sucess.


Somewhat surprised to see such an overwhelming negative reaction to her here. I thought she was very popular. Personally I don't like her very much. I've been really turned off by her weirdness and discussing her sex life in public.

[tdalton]

Somewhat surprised to see such an overwhelming negative reaction to her here. I thought she was very popular. Personally I don't like her very much. I've been really turned off by her weirdness and discussing her sex life in public.

I wouldn't mind her being in a Bond movie at some point, but her being cast as Vesper would make the actions that the character eventually takes somewhat predictable just by Jolie's presence. I think that they should get someone who is unknown (Olivia Lee) or only semi-known (Diane Kruger) for the role, as they bring little to no baggage to the role and could believably pull off the wide range of the character.

[Emma]

Somewhat surprised to see such an overwhelming negative reaction to her here. I thought she was very popular. Personally I don't like her very much. I've been really turned off by her weirdness and discussing her sex life in public.

I wouldn't mind her being in a Bond movie at some point, but her being cast as Vesper would make the actions that the character eventually takes somewhat predictable just by Jolie's presence. I think that they should get someone who is unknown (Olivia Lee) or only semi-known (Diane Kruger) for the role, as they bring little to no baggage to the role and could believably pull off the wide range of the character.

Actually I'm curious. Many have posted that Jolie isn't suitable for the role of Vesper and I wonder why. I haven't read CR, but I have read (or at least started to read) some of the Fleming books and found that the heroines in the movies are vastly different from the ones in the books. Tracy in the film OHMSS is more formidable than Tracy in the book. And the difference between Domino in the book and Domino in the movie Thunderball is as different as night and day.

If Vesper in the movie is different from Vesper in the book, it will just be following the same route as all the other Bond films. So I don't get the objection.

[WC]

Somewhat surprised to see such an overwhelming negative reaction to her here. I thought she was very popular. Personally I don't like her very much. I've been really turned off by her weirdness and discussing her sex life in public.

I wouldn't mind her being in a Bond movie at some point, but her being cast as Vesper would make the actions that the character eventually takes somewhat predictable just by Jolie's presence. I think that they should get someone who is unknown (Olivia Lee) or only semi-known (Diane Kruger) for the role, as they bring little to no baggage to the role and could believably pull off the wide range of the character.

Actually I'm curious. Many have posted that Jolie isn't suitable for the role of Vesper and I wonder why. I haven't read CR, but I have read (or at least started to read) some of the Fleming books and found that the heroines in the movies are vastly different from the ones in the books. Tracy in the film OHMSS is more formidable than Tracy in the book. And the difference between Domino in the book and Domino in the movie Thunderball is as different as night and day.

If Vesper in the movie is different from Vesper in the book, it will just be following the same route as all the other Bond films. So I don't get the objection.

I think the objection is more the overdominance of Jolie than being too vastly different from the novel (although CR is being made as "a faithful adaption", whatever that means here).

Jolie would just be Halle Berry to the extreme. Craig should be alowed to stand alone without any help from an old Tomb Raider co-star. Getting Jolie into Bond is like some pandering to the whim of teenagers or something - the Tomb Raider crowd - not being true to the spirit of Bond.

[Emma]

I think the objection is more the overdominance of Jolie than being too vastly different from the novel (although CR is being made as "a faithful adaption", whatever that means here).

Jolie would just be Halle Berry to the extreme. Craig should be alowed to stand alone without any help from an old Tomb Raider co-star. Getting Jolie into Bond is like some pandering to the whim of teenagers or something - the Tomb Raider crowd - not being true to the spirit of Bond.

But if we are to believe M. Wilson's word that Eon is trying to grab the attention of a younger male video game playing crowd. Then wouldn't it make perfect sense for them to cast an actress who played a video game heroine, in the movie?

[Donovan]

They're not going to cast someone who makes between $10 and $20 mil per film. Plus, she looks like a stripper. I think they want someone who projects class and strength, with a touch of vulnerability...and I don't mean "Lara Croft" strength where she kicks CGI monsters' butts.

Vesper is one of the most important "Bond girls" in the literary world. The memory of her haunted Bond throughout the Fleming novels. I honestly couldn't say who would make a good Vesper. I mean, out of all the leading actresses cast as Fleming Bond girls, only Ursula Andress, Honor Blackman, Mie Hama and Jane Seymour really fit the descriptions Fleming provided (and Britt Ekland, when Goodnight became a blonde for TMWTGG).

[WC]

I think the objection is more the overdominance of Jolie than being too vastly different from the novel (although CR is being made as "a faithful adaption", whatever that means here).

Jolie would just be Halle Berry to the extreme. Craig should be alowed to stand alone without any help from an old Tomb Raider co-star. Getting Jolie into Bond is like some pandering to the whim of teenagers or something - the Tomb Raider crowd - not being true to the spirit of Bond.

But if we are to believe M. Wilson's word that Eon is trying to grab the attention of a younger male video game playing crowd. Then wouldn't it make perfect sense for them to cast an actress who played a video game heroine, in the movie?

But are EON trying to make Bond or Tomb Raider 3?

It would've made more sense to cast a more crowd-friendly actor as Bond. Having Jolie is merely adding insult to injury.

I want someone more like Fiona Volpe (Lucianna Paluzzi) as Vesper. Definitely should be an unknown who could really embody Vesper - not someone with whom we'll be continually trying to get past seeing as an actress in the role.

[Qwerty]

Ehhh, what a title: "Angelina Jolie to sleep with new James Bond?"

http://www.newindpre...festyle&Topic=0

[Qwerty]

Angelina Jolie in the running for Bond girl?

About a month ago, we pointed to a rumor in England's The Sun that mentioned Angelina Jolie as a possible Casino Royale Bond girl. Back then, we suggested that a huge grain of salt was in order, particularly considering the source. Now, however, the rumor is back, and this time the source is the quite reliable Guardian. According to their report, Jolie has actually read the script, but is balking because "the character she is being asked to play is too lightweight." - Cinematical

http://commanderbond...item&item=27009

http://film.guardian...1642335,00.html