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[00-FAN008]

Bond vs Moon Buggy Guys (DAF)
Bond vs Wint and Kidd (DAF)
Bond vs Blofeld Clones (DAF)

I agree with those three. Really, anything in DAF can be considered amongst the worst in the series.

Other bad fights:

Bond vs. Graves (end of DAD)
Bond vs. Renard (end of TWINE)
Bond vs. Stamper (end of TND)
Two girls vs. martial arts students (TMWTGG)
Bond vs. Mr. Big (end of LALD)
Bond vs. Zorin on the Golden Gate Bridge

The ones that are not in bold I can agree with. They were all pretty corny and unmemorable.
I did enjoy the fight scene with Renard, however. The idea of fighting in a submarine gave the sequence a claustrophobic feel, which was good, and the way it kept tilting was a neat effect. I'd say it was a neat example of how Bond used the surroundings to his advantage.
I can't remember the fight with Stamper all that well, but if I can recall, Bond blew him up with a mine before plunging into the waters below. Although maybe not all that memorable, it's anything but corny.
The fight with Bond vs Zorin was pretty short, and didn't reach it's full potential, but the fact that they were on top of the Golden Gate Bridge did a good job of heightening the suspense.

[Flash1087]

My top pick is hands down Bond vs. Stamper at the end of TND. I loved this movie until right about then. Stamper is another generic "I FEEL NO PAIN!" smashy-smashy villian, and frankly, he's a failure. The fight sucked. Actually, Carver's death kind of sucked too.

I'm placing another vote in the Bond vs. Kananga and Bond vs. Kananga's Henchmen hat, and for simplicity's sake, I'll also say "Bond vs. Everyone In DAF Except Peter Franks".

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

I liked the Bond/Stamper fight myself...

Pierce yanking the knife out of his chest and cutting his vest off to drop into the water...always thought that was cool.


The fights in LALD and DAF indeed leave a lot to be desired..

[Genrewriter]

I can't believe nobody has mentioned Bond vs. Nick Nack yet. It's just a huge misstep that makes both characters look stupid.

[Streetworker]

[quote name='tdalton' date='27 October 2005 - 02:44']
[quote name='00-FAN008' date='26 October 2005 - 22:07']
I agree with those three. Really, anything in DAF can be considered amongst the worst in the series.

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And yet DAF has, in the elevator fight between Bond and Franks, one of the very best fights in the series' history.

And, personally, I've always rather enjoyed the fight between Bond and Wint & Kidd, if only because it's quintessential Connery-Bond throughout the scene.

[Double-Oh Agent]

Compliments Of Sharky, I agree with you. I like the Stamper fight--not enough to put in my top 10--but still. Getting the knife as well as dropping the missile on Stamper's foot were good moments.

I too like the Wint and Kidd fight. Setting a guy on fire and tossing the other one overboard attached to a ticking time bomb, what's not to love?

As for the Nick Nack fight, I'm a little surprised it wasn't mentioned earlier either, but I suppose it wasn't because it was either 1) done humorously or 2) it's totally obvious that Nick Nack is no match for Bond and so the lack of danger makes it hardly worth mentioning. Personally, I don't mind it, but that's just me. Regardless, I suppose Mary Goodnight is still trying to get all the broken glass out of the bed and carpet from that fight.

[Kingdom Come]

The only 'worst fight' in Die Another Day has to be the sword fight. As all the other ones were the best in the series history. Other 'worst fights'. . .

1/ The train sequence in From Russia With Love - T. Young has to be the worst director in cinema history.
2/ The Gypsy fight in From Russia With Love - heaven help us.
3/ Bond and Octopussy being attacked at the Monsoon palace - Octopussy.
4/ The newspaper fight in Tomorrow Never Dies.
5/ The lift fight in Diamonds Are Forever.
6/ All the fights in OHMSS - all ruined by Peter Hunt's editing.
7/ Bond, Tibbet & henchmen's fight in Zorin's factory - A View To A Kill.
8/ Bond and Zorin fight on the Golden Gate - A View To A Kill.

[A Kristatos]

Compliments Of Sharky, I agree with you. I like the Stamper fight--not enough to put in my top 10--but still. Getting the knife as well as dropping the missile on Stamper's foot were good moments.

I too like the Wint and Kidd fight. Setting a guy on fire and tossing the other one overboard attached to a ticking time bomb, what's not to love?

As for the Nick Nack fight, I'm a little surprised it wasn't mentioned earlier either, but I suppose it wasn't because it was either 1) done humorously or 2) it's totally obvious that Nick Nack is no match for Bond and so the lack of danger makes it hardly worth mentioning. Personally, I don't mind it, but that's just me. Regardless, I suppose Mary Goodnight is still trying to get all the broken glass out of the bed and carpet from that fight.

Oh yeah. And don't forget the "area" where Bond attached the bomb to Mr. Wint!

The Nick Nack fight always cracks me up. Bond did not even need to put much of an effort to "dispose" of Nick Nack, so like you said, it was played mostly for laughs, and therefore not a terrible fight. The dialogue always kills me too:

Bond upon seeing Nick Nack: "Yooouuuuu!"

Nick Nack: (Inaudible screaming and yelling), and then something to the effect of "You big bully!!!"

Bond: "SHUT UP!"

Just the way Bond says this is hysterical!

Edited by A Kristatos, 27 October 2005 - 01:49 PM.

[Judo chop]

I have a serious problem with the sequence on the rooftop in TSWLM. Particularly the moment where Roger "dives" at the thug from a height of about 1 stair above, and ends up stratling the guy's midsection like a Koala bear. His pathetic follow-up kicks don't help either. I wince more for Roger's shins than I do for the bad guy's face. I think the editors realized the futility of making Moore an action stud and tried to turn up the intensity with some quick cutting, but IMO that only makes it worse.

Of course Roger redeems himself at the end swatting away the tie. So much so that I actually have to rank this fight scene as one of my favorites. So, sorry... wrong thread I guess.

[DLibrasnow]

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the fight in Stacey Suttons house in AVTAK...

\Why does Bond fire a shotgun full of rocksalt at the fleeing car - he knows by that point in the sequence that it is full of rocksalt.

[Kara Milovy]

And yet DAF has, in the elevator fight between Bond and Franks, one of the very best fights in the series' history.

Indeed, you will often find that fight on lists of the best fights in movie history.

[tdalton]

And yet DAF has, in the elevator fight between Bond and Franks, one of the very best fights in the series' history.

Indeed, you will often find that fight on lists of the best fights in movie history.

Yes, the fight between James Bond and Peter Franks in DAF was one of the best in the series. I think in a previous post in this thread I said that I included just about everything from DAF as being the worst in the series in its given category, but I want to point out that the Bond vs. Franks fight ranks as one of the BEST fights in the franchise's history.

[Qwerty]

I recall the author's of The Bond Files calling it one of (possibly the) best in the entire series. Think it was mentioned in the TV Guide as well that promoted the release of Die Another Day.

[darkpath]

I've always found Bond vs. Oddjob to be quite dire.

DAF: The oil rig battle- possibly the worst part of the whole series, Tiffany falling oover the side from the shock of firing the machine gun (I hate this bit so much! Aaargh!)

I confess that when I was a little boy, I didn't understand how ludicrous that scene was; but then I got older and got to try an old Thompson and an Ingram. Perhaps if I were standing on wet ice, I might fall over; but otherwise, I just don't see how, no matter how inexpert one is. I could certainly see her firing almost all her rounds into the air from muzzle climb; but actually falling off is truly pushing things.

[Binyamin]

The only 'worst fight' in Die Another Day has to be the sword fight. As all the other ones were the best in the series history. Other 'worst fights'. . .

1/ The train sequence in From Russia With Love - T. Young has to be the worst director in cinema history.
2/ The Gypsy fight in From Russia With Love - heaven help us.
3/ Bond and Octopussy being attacked at the Monsoon palace - Octopussy.
4/ The newspaper fight in Tomorrow Never Dies.
5/ The lift fight in Diamonds Are Forever.
6/ All the fights in OHMSS - all ruined by Peter Hunt's editing.
7/ Bond, Tibbet & henchmen's fight in Zorin's factory - A View To A Kill.
8/ Bond and Zorin fight on the Golden Gate - A View To A Kill.

Surely you can't be serious? The sword fight in Die Another Day is one of the few redeeming qualities about that movie. Fighting all the way through the fencing club while members dive out of the way? Classic. And Graves actually seems like a real match for Bond, it doesn't hurt that Pierce actually gets bloodied up a little....


Your Number 1 Worse, the train fight in From Russia With Love, is also one of my all-time favorites. Close-quarters brutality. The newspaper fight in Tomorrow Never Dies is just plain fun Brosnan-era smooth action, especially when he closes the door on the guards and hits the code with his pistol. So cool.

And the OHMSS fights are classic, some of the most realistic hand-to-hand brutal fighting in the series. And have you forgotten Bond's sliding on ice with a machine gun in the final assault? That scene makes the movie.

Edited by Binyamin, 27 June 2006 - 05:32 PM.

[Andrew]

The only 'worst fight' in Die Another Day has to be the sword fight. As all the other ones were the best in the series history. Other 'worst fights'. . .

1/ The train sequence in From Russia With Love - T. Young has to be the worst director in cinema history.
2/ The Gypsy fight in From Russia With Love - heaven help us.
3/ Bond and Octopussy being attacked at the Monsoon palace - Octopussy.
4/ The newspaper fight in Tomorrow Never Dies.
5/ The lift fight in Diamonds Are Forever.
6/ All the fights in OHMSS - all ruined by Peter Hunt's editing.
7/ Bond, Tibbet & henchmen's fight in Zorin's factory - A View To A Kill.
8/ Bond and Zorin fight on the Golden Gate - A View To A Kill.

Your 1,2,5 and 6 are my favorites of the series.

[The Richmond Spy]

The only 'worst fight' in Die Another Day has to be the sword fight. As all the other ones were the best in the series history. Other 'worst fights'. . .

1/ The train sequence in From Russia With Love - T. Young has to be the worst director in cinema history.
2/ The Gypsy fight in From Russia With Love - heaven help us.
3/ Bond and Octopussy being attacked at the Monsoon palace - Octopussy.
4/ The newspaper fight in Tomorrow Never Dies.
5/ The lift fight in Diamonds Are Forever.
6/ All the fights in OHMSS - all ruined by Peter Hunt's editing.
7/ Bond, Tibbet & henchmen's fight in Zorin's factory - A View To A Kill.
8/ Bond and Zorin fight on the Golden Gate - A View To A Kill.

Your 1,2,5 and 6 are my favorites of the series.

Yeah, I think the only one I agree with is #7 although I'm rather neutral toward #2 as well. When I think of a bad fight, the first one that comes to mind is Bond/Mr. Kil in DAD. IMO the most disappointing fight is Bond/Whitaker at the end of TLD.

[Matt_13]

Bond v Graves is the worst fight I have ever scene, EVER!

[The Dove]

Hmm here are my thoughts (and these are by no means ranked in any particular order) :

1.Bond vs. Carver (TND): After initially smacking Bond on the head with his gun, Carver didn't put up much of a fight before being ground up into burger meat!

2. Bond vs Stromberg (TSWLM): Other than firing that exploding harpoon at 007, Stromberg does NOTHING other than sit at his dining table and let Bond shoot him like 5 times!!

3. Bond vs. Bambi and Thumper (DAF): what was this?? Foreplay? Its the 1971 equivilant of Bond vs Xenia in Goldeneye!!

4. Bond and Kara vs the Russian jail guards (TLD): The worst bit of this whole fight, while Bond is in danger of having his face punctuated, is that Kara, who for the longest time is just standing there doing nothing, finally picks up a bucket and bonks the woozy guard on the head, knocking him out again... with a FREAKIN' bucket!!

5. Bond vs. Renard (TWINE): Doesn't need much of an explanation.. terrible ending fight sequence..

6. Bond vs. Graves (DAD): Even worse than #5 on my list, at this point in the movie the crappy CGI had overshadowed the good parts of the film, and having the rediculous Graves-being sucked into the plane engine, didn't help!! Hell, John Amos's death via plane engine in Die Hard 2 was better!

7. Bond vs. Klebb (FRWL): On the whole it wasn't too bad, but after the terrific fight sequence with Grant on the train, this was a bit anti-climatic for me. After all, Bond does pin Klebb to the wall with a chair and she looks almost comical struggling to kick him when he clearly has the upper hand.

8. Bond vs. Nick Nack (TMWTGG): looked more comical than dangerous to me. Also, there is the obvious flaw of Bond smashing all the wine bottles which spill no wine!!

9. Bond and Tibbit vs. Zorin's warehouse guards: I agree with what others have said about this fight.. Sadly, both Roger and Patrick Macnee looked their age in this fight (perhaps thats why the guards were purposly cast as fat and out of shape!).

10. Bond vs. Hans (YOLT): While this is my favorite Bond film of all time, this particular fight seemed underdone to me (hell the character of Hans was underdone anyway!). An obvious switch to the stunt doubles when Bond ducks, Hans swings and misses and Bond pitches him into the pihranna pool!!

[Kingdom Come]

TND - Wai Lin fight is weak and looks like it was added late in the shoot.

[Andrew]

2. Bond vs Stromberg (TSWLM): Other than firing that exploding harpoon at 007, Stromberg does NOTHING other than sit at his dining table and let Bond shoot him like 5 times!!

It's not a fight and it's not supposed to be. It's Bond killing in cold blood and I love it.

[Double-0-Seven]

How about Bond vs. the sumo wrestler in TMWTGG (wins with a wedgie!), or Bond vs. the karate school in TMWTGG (saved by the schoolgirls)?

I agree with those ones. They actually make me laugh each time I see the film.

[dunmall]

The only 'worst fight' in Die Another Day has to be the sword fight. As all the other ones were the best in the series history. Other 'worst fights'. . .

1/ The train sequence in From Russia With Love - T. Young has to be the worst director in cinema history.
2/ The Gypsy fight in From Russia With Love - heaven help us.
3/ Bond and Octopussy being attacked at the Monsoon palace - Octopussy.
4/ The newspaper fight in Tomorrow Never Dies.
5/ The lift fight in Diamonds Are Forever.
6/ All the fights in OHMSS - all ruined by Peter Hunt's editing.
7/ Bond, Tibbet & henchmen's fight in Zorin's factory - A View To A Kill.
8/ Bond and Zorin fight on the Golden Gate - A View To A Kill.

Your 1,2,5 and 6 are my favorites of the series.

Agreed, 1,2, 5 and 6 are great I also personally like the Golden Gate fight (i hate heights!)

How can the train fight be the worst????????

[The Richmond Spy]

2. Bond vs Stromberg (TSWLM): Other than firing that exploding harpoon at 007, Stromberg does NOTHING other than sit at his dining table and let Bond shoot him like 5 times!!

It's not a fight and it's not supposed to be. It's Bond killing in cold blood and I love it.

A scene I often forget of Rog! He has the tongue-in-cheek Bond label, but that scene is pure edge.

[Qwerty]

Bond v Graves is the worst fight I have ever scene, EVER!

The finale or sword fight?

[DaveBond21]

The train fight between Bond and Grant in FRWL is generally regarded as one of the best fights in MOVIE history and I have heard famous directors like Steven Spielberg mention it as one of their favourite Bond moments.

I actually thought that thread was a joke, because the best fight scene of DAD was the fencing...

[Mr. Somerset]

Bond vs Stamper for me. More Die Hard than 007.

[Licensed to kill]

The Sumo wrestler and the karate fight scenes in TMWTGG are in IMO really bad. However, I can understand why they are there. I see many Bond films as trying to be on the cutting edge of contemporary cinema. The martial arts styled fight scenes were getting really popular at that time, and while the fights were poorly executed, I can at least understand why TMWTGG included them. Two fight scenes which I REALLY HATE are:

1) Worst ever: Swordfight in DAD. Madonna says she's not interested in a cockfight, but no one in the audience believes her. And then Brosnan embarrases himself fighting with Graves in the dreaded swordfight sequence. Unlike the karate/sumo scenes in TMWTGG, there's no justification for this. Indiana Jones made the whole swordfight thing look silly in Raiders of the Lost Ark. I couldn't take any swordfight seriously again (notable exceptions to Star Wars and Kill Bill Vol. 1).

2) I also had to mention the kung fu fight scene with Michelle Yeoh in TND. Never...EVER should a Bond girl upstage James Bond in a fight scene. This should never have happened. Not a bad fight scene, but it's a black eye on Brosnan's tenure.

[MarcAngeDraco]

The only 'worst fight' in Die Another Day has to be the sword fight. As all the other ones were the best in the series history. Other 'worst fights'. . .

1/ The train sequence in From Russia With Love - T. Young has to be the worst director in cinema history.
2/ The Gypsy fight in From Russia With Love - heaven help us.
3/ Bond and Octopussy being attacked at the Monsoon palace - Octopussy.
4/ The newspaper fight in Tomorrow Never Dies.
5/ The lift fight in Diamonds Are Forever.
6/ All the fights in OHMSS - all ruined by Peter Hunt's editing.
7/ Bond, Tibbet & henchmen's fight in Zorin's factory - A View To A Kill.
8/ Bond and Zorin fight on the Golden Gate - A View To A Kill.

You must be joking...

[Mr_Wint]

I liked the Bond/Stamper fight myself...

Pierce yanking the knife out of his chest and cutting his vest off to drop into the water...always thought that was cool.

I dont like the character Stamper nor the actor, but I must admit... The evil laugh from Stamper when Bond stabs the knife in his chest is just priceless! Those two seconds screams "Bond".

I have a serious problem with the sequence on the rooftop in TSWLM. Particularly the moment where Roger "dives" at the thug from a height of about 1 stair above, and ends up stratling the guy's midsection like a Koala bear. His pathetic follow-up kicks don't help either. I wince more for Roger's shins than I do for the bad guy's face. I think the editors realized the futility of making Moore an action stud and tried to turn up the intensity with some quick cutting, but IMO that only makes it worse.

Of course Roger redeems himself at the end swatting away the tie. So much so that I actually have to rank this fight scene as one of my favorites. So, sorry... wrong thread I guess.

I love the way Moore fights in this scene. He's not a karate-expert, just trying to survive. It looks cool for me.

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the fight in Stacey Suttons house in AVTAK...

\Why does Bond fire a shotgun full of rocksalt at the fleeing car - he knows by that point in the sequence that it is full of rocksalt.

Because it's a good fight, especially with Barry's exciting action-theme. The whole scene is one of the highlights in AVTAK. "Rocksalt!" / "And now you tell me!"

The final "star-wars-battle" in DAD is still the worst fight, ever.