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[Athena007]

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[doublenoughtspy]

Actually Athena, MSNBC didn't make that quote.

Their article is here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9546090/

The harpooning quote is from Contra Costa Times.

[zencat]

Seeing CBn mentioned in this light I think stinks.

[mcsearg]

Seeing CBn mentioned in this light I think stinks. 

Agreed.. There has to be a level of civility on our post..They are wathcing us..This is THE site for the James Bond world, and we blew our opportunity to tout ourselves to the press.

[Athena007]

Actually Athena, MSNBC didn't make that quote. Their article is here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9546090/ The harpooning quote is from Contra Costa Times.

Fixed the quotes.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

I think sadly this is just going to have to run its course. Give it another month and some of the bitching will slack off, I think.

[Qwerty]

and we blew our opportunity to tout ourselves to the press.

Ehm...hardly, when you look at past quotes and CBn presence in the Bond world, etc...

This quote unfortunately picked only a very certain topic.

[mcsearg]

and we blew our opportunity to tout ourselves to the press.

Ehm...hardly, when you look at past quotes and CBn presence in the Bond world, etc...

This quote unfortunately picked only a very certain topic.

Agreed, just referring to this one instance.

[Bond Bombshell]

I haven't been able to access the Contra Costa Times article, but did they not realise that the "What Are You Blaming Daniel Craig For Today?" thread was satirical and aimed at anti-Craig sentiment rather than at Craig himself? I feel guilty now for my part in what was only intended as a bit of fun, and a venture away from my usual serious and stuffy posts.

[tdalton]

I agree that it's not good to see things like this out there in news reports, but why don't these news services ever counter that with someone saying something good about Daniel Craig? They make it seem as if all the Bond fans are against Craig when that simply is not the case.

IMO, the press is out to get Daniel Craig because they don't like him, and they're using negative comments from Bond fans to make it look like the new guy just isn't any good.

I do find it sad, however, that now that we have a new Bond, that the discussion is more negative and more aimed at criticizing actors than it was when we were going through the contentious search for a new Bond. I really feel sorry for Daniel Craig, the man has a great number of people who think that he'll be good and even had some that wanted him as Bond from the very beginning, but the only voices that are being heard in the media are those that think he's going to be the end of the franchise. Frankly, I'm tired of the one-sided media reports and think that some of the positive opinions about Craig from the Bond fans should be put out there to counter against the constant stream of negativity that the media is putting out there in regards to Daniel Craig.

Edited by tdalton, 20 October 2005 - 03:58 AM.

[FelixLeiter]

As in any other case, when real decisions are made, there will be supporters and there will be opposition to that decision. The powers that be have chosen to move Bond forward, to a new place which some are not ready for. As I have just read in another post, this one will probably have to run its course. In my opinion, though, I really think Casino Royale is going to be a GREAT movie, and many people are going to change their opinion on Daniel Craig. These may just be the words of a die hard hopeful, but Craig really has my confidence.

Daniel Craig is the closest thing so far I've seen to the James Bond that Ian Fleming created. And Bond's best friend in that world is none other than Felix Leiter. Craig has this Leiter's support all the way. I can't wait for Casino Royale.

Thanks for listening.

Felix Leiter

[Atticus17F]

Someone should point MSNBC and Cosa Nostra Times to the CBn poll. It's a good score for Craig, so far.

[jaguar007]

Perhaps we should start a thread about "Craig..possibly the best thing to happen to the Bond series since Connery!" and let the media pick that one up (of course they won't, they just want to pick up the negative stuff).

[tdalton]

Someone should point MSNBC and Cosa Nostra Times to the CBn poll. It's a good score for Craig, so far.  

That's a good idea, but I doubt that it would do anything. The media, IMO, as a collective whole want Craig to fail, and use the negativity in the Bond fan community to propogate that position to the point where the general public almost accepts it as fact that Daniel Craig is the wrong man for the job without knowing anything about him or about the film that he is set to star in.

[Loomis]

Yeah, why aren't they taking any notice of the plenty of pro-Craig posts on this site?

CBn seems to me to have more Craig supporters than any other Bond site.

[Atticus17F]

[quote name='tdalton' date='20 October 2005 - 06:04'][quote name='Atticus17F' date='20 October 2005 - 01:54']Someone should point MSNBC and Cosa Nostra Times to the CBn poll. It's a good score for Craig, so far.

[Sam Fisher]

I was quoted but yet at the same time I remain hidden from the public eye. Not bad (Daniel Craig is not MY James Bond)

I'm not backing down however, nor will I be like the rest of you and follow blindly. Get over yourselvs. It's just words. You should be made of tougher material than to let this get all your goats.

Edited by Sam Fisher, 20 October 2005 - 06:26 AM.

[tdalton]

Yeah, why aren't they taking any notice of the plenty of pro-Craig posts on this site?

CBn seems to me to have more Craig supporters than any other Bond site.

Excellent point. Whenever Bond fans are quoted about Daniel Craig, it's always a negative comment. If they were to ask me what I thought of Craig, I could give them a very longwinded answer as to why he's the ideal 007 at this point in time.

[Alex Zamudio]

The same thing happened to George Lazenby, and what a shame because OHMSS is a great film, and many missed out because of prejudice by bad press...

[tdalton]

The same thing happened to George Lazenby, and what a shame because OHMSS is a great film, and many missed out because of prejudice by bad press...

That's my biggest fear regarding Daniel Craig and CR. I doubt that the public will ever give Craig a chance because a lot of what they see in the media about him carries a negative spin. I'm not saying the spin on him has to be positive, but rather it should be neutral. I think that the general public will already have their minds made up for them by the media when they go to see CR and won't give Craig a chance, just as Lazenby wasn't given a chance.

Plus, there are parallels between Craig and Lazenby that just can't be ignored, and they're also cause for concern. Lazenby was following a very popular Bond (Connery) just as Craig is following a very popular Bond (Brosnan). Also, Lazenby's film (OHMSS) was very closely based on the novel, just as we expect Craig's to be (CR). Also, the media wasn't very receptive of Lazenby at the time, just as they're not being with Craig. While this could point to CR being a fantastic movie just as OHMSS was, I don't want to see Craig to the way of George Lazenby and be a one (or two) and done Bond.

[Loomis]

Yeah, why aren't they taking any notice of the plenty of pro-Craig posts on this site?

CBn seems to me to have more Craig supporters than any other Bond site.

Excellent point. Whenever Bond fans are quoted about Daniel Craig, it's always a negative comment. If they were to ask me what I thought of Craig, I could give them a very longwinded answer as to why he's the ideal 007 at this point in time.

Exactly. Or ask me, or Jim, or marktmurphy, or Mister Asterix, or spynovelfan, or zencat.... plenty of pro-Craig people here. But I guess what the journalists want is "Ugh! Craig's looks are all wrong for Bond! He isn't fit to polish Brosnan's shoes! The new film will be a disaster!".

[Sam Fisher]

Pro Craig: "We love Daniel Craig and will walk to the ends of the earth for him. he's the bestest James Bond ever and we hope his reign on Bond never ends or else."

Anti Craig: "Are you all Crazy?"

Pro Craig: "No, we're the TRUE fans, the REAL fans. We support whatever Eon/Sony plans even if it might be the utter destruction of the franchise but we don't care because we love Daniel Craig. He's so hot."

Anti Craig:

Pro Craig: "You're all just jealous because we stay up all night worshipping Daniel Craig. You just wish you could join us."

Anti Craig: "Whatever."

Pro Craig: "We don't like you talking bad about Daniel Craig, it's unfair, your right winged remarks hurt so bad we're out of wetnaps."

Anti Craig: (Laughs out loud)

Pro Craig: "That's it you've forced us to show our hands. PRO CRAIG POWERS ACTIVATE!!!!! Amass the pity me party, and lets sing Daniel Craig's praises forever, YAY!!!!!!!"

[Jim]

Pro Craig: "We love Daniel Craig and will walk to the ends of the earth for him. he's the bestest James Bond ever and we hope his reign on Bond never ends or else."

Anti Craig: "Are you all Crazy?"

Pro Craig: "No, we're the TRUE fans, the REAL fans. We  support whatever Eon/Sony plans even if it might be the utter destruction of the franchise but we don't care because we love Daniel Craig. He's so hot."

Anti Craig: 

Pro Craig: "You're all just jealous because we stay up all night worshipping Daniel Craig. You just wish you could join us."

Anti Craig: "Whatever."

Pro Craig: "We don't like you talking bad about Daniel Craig, it's unfair, your right winged remarks hurt so bad we're out of wetnaps."

Anti Craig: (Laughs out loud)

Pro Craig: "That's it you've forced us to show our hands. PRO CRAIG POWERS ACTIVATE!!!!! Amass the pity me party, and lets sing Daniel Craig's praises forever,  YAY!!!!!!!"

I must have missed these posts.

Thanks for making us all look so good.

[Loomis]

Looks like the pro-Craig people have it a lot better than the anti-Craig people, because at least they're excited about the new Bond film. I'm glad I'm not a Bond fan who's not looking forward to CASINO ROYALE.

[Jim]

Looks like the pro-Craig people have it a lot better than the anti-Craig people, because at least they're excited about the new Bond film. I'm glad I'm not a Bond fan who's not looking forward to CASINO ROYALE.

Spot on.

[Bondian]

I think the CBn team are doing an incredible job keeping all the negativity tightly monitored.

It would look bad to close threads, and at the same time, it wouldn't help to discharge members for bashing. (unless they really step out of line)

Ironically, as they say "any publicity, is good publicity!". And, doesn't it prove that negative things get better publicity by these news people than positive.

Basically, these news people are quoting from CBn etc just to try to backup their own negativity.

[Athena007]

Sam Fisher, you are missing the whole point here. It's not just about the two incidences that were picked up by publications. I think a lot of the nastiness and negativity has calmed down a bunch since the new Bond announcement. But I just wanted to make everyone aware of something here.

You don't like Craig, great. But don't abusing other CBn members by calling them "crazy idiots" for liking Craig or calling Craig haters "dumbass American teenagers". This is unacceptable and I've been seeing this nasty attitude coming from both sides here on CBn. Would you say this to someone if they were talking to you face to face? Just because this is the internet does not give anyone the right to be abusive just because you can't see who you're talking to and are just "ranting" into cyberspace. The internet is real and so are the people on it, so be respectful. And Sam Fisher... I'm talking to you too.

I'm not particularly all hunky dorry over Craig as the new Bond. But all this "Craig is the worst Bond" crap is ridiculous. How can he be the worst Bond when he's not even had the opportunity to be James Bond on screen. No one here as seen him as 007 yet. So those who are not being Craig judgmental and being a supporter aren't necessarily saying, "Whatever Eon wants, we are drones." No... they're saying Ok thank gawd they finally chose a 007, I may or may not be happy about it but yay a new movie is actually happening... we'll see how Craig performs. It's called being reasonable, respectful while voicing an opinion. Perhaps you should try it sometime.

[tdalton]

Sam Fisher, you are missing the whole point here. It's not just about the two incidences that were picked up by publications. I think a lot of the nastiness and negativity has calmed down a bunch since the new Bond announcement. But I just wanted to make everyone aware of something here.

You don't like Craig, great. But don't abusing other CBn members by calling them "crazy idiots" for liking Craig or calling Craig haters "dumbass American teenagers". This is unacceptable and I've been seeing this nasty attitude coming from both sides here on CBn. Would you say this to someone if they were talking to you face to face? Just because this is the internet does not give anyone the right to be abusive just because you can't see who you're talking to and are just "ranting" into cyberspace. The internet is real and so are the people on it, so be respectful. And Sam Fisher... I'm talking to you too.

I'm not particularly all hunky dorry over Craig as the new Bond. But all this "Craig is the worst Bond" crap is ridiculous. How can he be the worst Bond when he's not even had the opportunity to be James Bond on screen. No one here as seen him as 007 yet. So those who are not being Craig judgmental and being a supporter aren't necessarily saying, "Whatever Eon wants, we are drones." No... they're saying Ok thank gawd they finally chose a 007, I may or may not be happy about it but yay a new movie is actually happening... we'll see how Craig performs. It's called being reasonable, respectful while voicing an opinion. Perhaps you should try it sometime.

Thank you for that. I'm glad that someone finally said it.

[Skudor]

Sadly the media have decided that the interesting story here is how controversial (or unusual) a choice Daniel Craig is, and they'll go wherever they can to get the quotes to support this. And to pick on the 'What are you blaming...' thread is just silly - it's a highly amusing thread that is clearly satirical. It's just a pity that journalists as a rule are too lazy to try to find real stories.

[Bryce (003)]

It's sad that they picked up this and ran with it. But, in our defense, and my PO, virtually EVERY Bond Fan site has these same polls/threads on their forums.

Part of the best thing that we have to offer as a site is the right to a difference of opinion, but this last week, we've had a ton of new members join and - although I'll say it's about 50/50 - a lot have vocalized the disappointment with Craig landing the role. Myself, I was on the fence, but having intensively reviewed his work this last few days (lots of rentals) and ultimately putting my faith in Michael and Barbara, I'm 95% certain he's the man for the task with the new direction they want to take the series.

I remember being VERY skeptical of Dalton until I saw the edge and entertainment that TLD was. Again, just my personal opinion. We're all hungry for a new Bond film and in this case, a new Bond comes with it.

Good or bad PR, the fact that we seem to have become the "Go to" source in the eyes of the media is a bit flattering, but yes. They (the media) always go for the negative or controversial angle. That's what they do, but in looking at our boards, the negativity is spreading to more and more threads and that's just not fair. Frankly I feel we should just combine all these scattered threads into pro or anti and leave it at that.

Then again, I've always considered Microsoft and all it's various mediums to be a SPECTRE like organization.