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[Seannery]

I agree with Mr.* that you exaggerate the "badness" of Craig's look, Loomis. He's not an ancient troll. I find it hard to believe you really want Craig to be Bond when you agree and sometimes go beyond his worst Bond critics. What's up with that Loomis? If I thought as harshly of anyone i'd never want to see them as Bond. Do you really want Craig as Bond? I just find your duality here confusing. As you know he's not my favorite but I feel he has potential. And i'm not a big of a fan to have a very serious Bond(though an occasional foray that way is fine) as you BUT I don't believe Craig would be one note super serious Bond either. I agree he could be somewhat risky but not to the degree you have stated and beyond Brosnan(and Jackman) all other candidates would have a certain risk. Would Craig have more risk than certain others? Maybe but i'm not sure but i'm sure the risk wouldn't be as extreme as you sometimes state. I feel you have some points Loomis but your take seems kind of extreme--especially from such an usually level headed fellow.

[Mister Asterix]

Yes, but the problem is that Eon doesn't exactly have a history of giving us wonderful, unconventional James Bonds. Okay, we nearly had Sam Neill, James Brolin and, apparently, Michael Gambon, but the point of course is that Eon always seems to have pulled back from the brink before casting any of the "risky" candidates we're told came so close to the Bond role.

OTOH, wasn't Liam Neeson saying a while back that he was offered Bond in GOLDENEYE? (Rumour has it that Ralph Fiennes was in the frame for the same job.) And it seems that Eon wanted Owen for CASINO ROYALE. So perhaps Broccoli and Wilson have for quite a few years now desperately wanted to cast a "serious" actor as 007. Could Craig be the one?

[mra]But I

[Loomis]

He's not an ancient troll.  

I disagree. I think he is. Sorry, but there we are.

Do you really want Craig as Bond?  I just find your duality here confusing.  

Yes, I want Craig as Bond, although not nearly as much as I want Owen. But even though I was very impressed by Craig in LAYER CAKE and respect him as an actor, I think the main reason that I want him to be Bond is.... well, bluntly, because I'd like to witness some real and incredible risk-taking on the part of Sony and Eon. I want to see if they have the cojones to cast Craig. I want to see how successfully they'd market him as Bond, especially after the flawlessly handsome Brosnan.

I guess I may actually want to see the reaction to Craig as Bond more than I want to see Craig as Bond. Casting Ewan Stewart would make for a similarly interesting spectator sport.

[zencat]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='15 September 2005 - 11:33'][quote name='Loomis' date='15 September 2005 - 13:27']Yes, but the problem is that Eon doesn't exactly have a history of giving us wonderful, unconventional James Bonds. Okay, we nearly had Sam Neill, James Brolin and, apparently, Michael Gambon, but the point of course is that Eon always seems to have pulled back from the brink before casting any of the "risky" candidates we're told came so close to the Bond role.

OTOH, wasn't Liam Neeson saying a while back that he was offered Bond in GOLDENEYE? (Rumour has it that Ralph Fiennes was in the frame for the same job.) And it seems that Eon wanted Owen for CASINO ROYALE. So perhaps Broccoli and Wilson have for quite a few years now desperately wanted to cast a "serious" actor as 007. Could Craig be the one?

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[mra]But I

[Loomis]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='15 September 2005 - 18:33'][quote name='Loomis' date='15 September 2005 - 13:27']Yes, but the problem is that Eon doesn't exactly have a history of giving us wonderful, unconventional James Bonds. Okay, we nearly had Sam Neill, James Brolin and, apparently, Michael Gambon, but the point of course is that Eon always seems to have pulled back from the brink before casting any of the "risky" candidates we're told came so close to the Bond role.

OTOH, wasn't Liam Neeson saying a while back that he was offered Bond in GOLDENEYE? (Rumour has it that Ralph Fiennes was in the frame for the same job.) And it seems that Eon wanted Owen for CASINO ROYALE. So perhaps Broccoli and Wilson have for quite a few years now desperately wanted to cast a "serious" actor as 007. Could Craig be the one?

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[mra]But I

[Spoon]

zencat, what do you think/suspect the role of the Jinx movie is in all this?

[K1Bond007]

[quote name='Loomis' date='15 September 2005 - 13:44'][quote name='Mister Asterix' date='15 September 2005 - 18:33'][quote name='Loomis' date='15 September 2005 - 13:27']Yes, but the problem is that Eon doesn't exactly have a history of giving us wonderful, unconventional James Bonds. Okay, we nearly had Sam Neill, James Brolin and, apparently, Michael Gambon, but the point of course is that Eon always seems to have pulled back from the brink before casting any of the "risky" candidates we're told came so close to the Bond role.

OTOH, wasn't Liam Neeson saying a while back that he was offered Bond in GOLDENEYE? (Rumour has it that Ralph Fiennes was in the frame for the same job.) And it seems that Eon wanted Owen for CASINO ROYALE. So perhaps Broccoli and Wilson have for quite a few years now desperately wanted to cast a "serious" actor as 007. Could Craig be the one?

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[mra]But I

Edited by K1Bond007, 15 September 2005 - 06:52 PM.

[zencat]

zencat, what do you think/suspect the role of the Jinx movie is in all this?

Just a guess, but it think it nuked the relationship between MGM and Eon.

[Mister Asterix]

Well, in that case I guess all bets are off. But I find it hard to believe that Mickey G and Babs would chuck out of the window what is surely one of the most basic rules in the "don't screw it up" book, i.e. the rule that Bond must be extremely good-looking and not in any way have odd facial features or any kind of curious appearance. These people are professionals and must tailor their product to 40 years of proven demand. They're not going to cast someone who looks like Craig as Bond just because they can.

[mra]Pardon me if I

[sean c.]

we do not know if there are going to be any more screentests this month-this is also a rumour,so who ever at EON or Sony said there are going to be some more screentests? There are also no confirmations of any actors that have done some additional screentests.So in my opinion the tumble is already fallen and it seems to be that cool guy from ER. I do not know why they have not let it out to the public. But anyway, haven`t they said that there won`t be any official news untill the middle of this month. that whole brosnan and craig-rumour is brought in now,to make the surprise bigger. I think it is not accidental that visnjic for the first time had to end his holiday earlier than planned in order to be the first on the set of ER.Seems like the ER producer proved right,they are hurrying up with goran for the shooting of the next season episodes.

[Captain Indigo]

you don't want a pretty boy as James Bond

[Seannery]

we do not know if there are going to be any more screentests this month-this is also a rumour,so who ever at EON or Sony said there are going to be some more screentests? There are also no confirmations of any actors that have done some additional screentests.So in my opinion the tumble is already fallen and it seems to be that cool guy from ER. I do not know why they have not let it out to the public. But anyway, haven`t they said that there won`t be any official news untill the middle of this month. that whole brosnan and craig-rumour is brought in now,to make the surprise bigger. I think it is not accidental that visnjic for the first time had to end his holiday earlier than planned in order to be the first on the set of ER.Seems like the ER producer proved right,they are hurrying up with goran for the shooting of the next season episodes.

Dude you are just wishing and hopeful that your fellow Croation gets 007--it's understandable but please stop with saying you know when you have no proof and no way to prove anything. Don't you know it just comes out as empty words? The Craig rumor and more screen tests has been sourced by Cbn while what you say has zero back up. And with new screen tests its obvious Goran hasn't been picked--no one has.

[Seannery]

[quote name='Loomis' date='15 September 2005 - 19:40'][quote name='Seannery' date='15 September 2005 - 18:31']He's not an ancient troll.

[Mister Asterix]

we do not know if there are going to be any more screentests this month-this is also a rumour,so who ever at EON or Sony said there are going to be some more screentests? There are also no confirmations of any actors that have done some additional screentests.So in my opinion the tumble is already fallen and it seems to be that cool guy from ER. I do not know why they have not let it out to the public. But anyway, haven`t they said that there won`t be any official news untill the middle of this month. that whole brosnan and craig-rumour is brought in now,to make the surprise bigger. I think it is not accidental that visnjic for the first time had to end his holiday earlier than planned in order to be the first on the set of ER.Seems like the ER producer proved right,they are hurrying up with goran for the shooting of the next season episodes.

[mra]No one at Eon even said there were any screentests at all. Perhaps all of the screentests are rumoured.

But I can assure you there are more screentests. Does that mean that that Henry Cavill and Alex O

[Loomis]

[quote name='Seannery' date='15 September 2005 - 19:16'][quote name='Loomis' date='15 September 2005 - 19:40'][quote name='Seannery' date='15 September 2005 - 18:31']He's not an ancient troll.

[Slaezenger]

Ok - so I know I've covered all of this in the other Daniel Craig thread - but I am actually surprised by the negative reaction to the way that Daniel Craig looks.  Even his supporters consider that he would be the 'ugly' Bond.

Starting with Ian Flemings approved portait of James Bond and going from there.
So - would he really be 'the ugly Bond'? 

...Come on mate, you already know the answer to your own question? The "Fleming approved sketch" looks more like Basil Rathbone than any actor who has played Bond, let alone Craig, who might make an excellent Le Chiffre, but not 007.

[Shrublands]

Apparently this web-site has a good reputation for its inside "scoops", now this turns up today;-

http://ldjw-films.8k.com/custom3.html

Make of it what you will

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[Loomis]

Apparently this web-site has a good reputation for its inside "scoops", now this turns up today;-

http://ldjw-films.8k.com/custom3.html

Make of it what you will

I find it hard to believe that Craig "impressed the producers more then Clive Owen", or that "Julian McMahon was the first choice". And neither, of course, does it chime with today's Haggis news about a 28-year-old Bond.

As ever, though, who knows what's going on?

[Mister Asterix]

Apparently this web-site has a good reputation for its inside "scoops", now this turns up today;-

http://ldjw-films.8k.com/custom3.html

Make of it what you will

I find it hard to believe that Craig "impressed the producers more then Clive Owen", or that "Julian McMahon was the first choice". And neither, of course, does it chime with today's Haggis news about a 28-year-old Bond.

As ever, though, who knows what's going on?

[mra]I

[Shrublands]

Actually, just been looking into them and they don

[Trident]

I don't buy it. Haggis is writing for a 28 year old. That just about closes the Craig case.


Slowly I'm getting tired of this whole rumour buisiness. Makes one ill to surf the net tree times a day (at least!) to find out whether they finally made their mind up to let us in on the BIG secret.

[tdalton]

It's not going to be Daniel Craig, so I think we can just let this topic drift away because he has probably a negative % chance of getting the role now, unless the world's greatest makeup artist came in somehow made him look like he was 28.

[Seannery]

It's not going to be Daniel Craig, so I think we can just let this topic drift away because he has probably a negative % chance of getting the role now, unless the world's greatest makeup artist came in somehow made him look like he was 28.

Supposedly according to Cbn, Daniel Craig is STILL getting a screen test.

[return of the saint]

I don't buy it. Haggis is writing for a 28 year old. That just about closes the Craig case.

No - Haggis is, possibly, changing an already existing script to suit a 28 year old. As far as we know the original script from which he is working features an experienced Bond. Eon do not have to use Haggis' script if Brosnan comes back or Craig is hired.

[zencat]

I don't buy it. Haggis is writing for a 28 year old. That just about closes the Craig case.

No - Haggis is, possibly, changing an already existing script to suit a 28 year old. As far as we know the original script from which he is working features an experienced Bond. Eon do not have to use Haggis' script if Brosnan comes back or Craig is hired.

Actually, Haggis is polishing a script about a rookie 007. CR has always been about a rookie 007. But that rookie could be 28, or he could be 37 (or a 37-year-old actor playing 31). Remember, Bond was a Commander in the Royal Navy and already had several secret service assignments under his belt when he got his double-oh. Trust me, nothing is closed on Craig.

[tdalton]

It's not going to be Daniel Craig, so I think we can just let this topic drift away because he has probably a negative % chance of getting the role now, unless the world's greatest makeup artist came in somehow made him look like he was 28.

Supposedly according to Cbn, Daniel Craig is STILL getting a screen test.

Hopefully he'll impress them enough to make Bond a little older in the movie so that he'll fit in with what Haggis is writing. Otherwise, I think we're looking at a choice of either Karl Urban, Alex O'Lachlan, or Henry Cavill.

[return of the saint]

I think we're looking at a choice of either Karl Urban, Alex O'Lachlan, or Henry Cavill.

Each of these names shouts 'Harry Potter meets Bourne' to me. I shudder at the thought.

Edited by return of the saint, 16 September 2005 - 07:47 PM.

[K1Bond007]

Actually, Haggis is polishing a script about a rookie 007. CR has always been about a rookie 007. But that rookie could be 28, or he could be 37 (or a 37-year-old actor playing 31). Remember, Bond was a Commander in the Royal Navy and already had several secret service assignments under his belt when he got his double-oh. Trust me, nothing is closed on Craig.

I'm starting to feel like theres two scripts here. Theres the Sony "we want an older professional Bond" one and the Haggis/EON/Campbell "28 year-old" version - both of which are practically the same with minor differences (essentially the age of Bond and his experience with MI6).

What if EON hired Haggis to professionally polish the young rookie version to appease and perhaps persuade Sony that it could work. Doesn't that seem realistic? So they pick a guy who was recently nominated for an Academy Award, a guy who right now is kicking all sorts of in terms of writing. Right?

[zencat]

Actually, Haggis is polishing a script about a rookie 007. CR has always been about a rookie 007. But that rookie could be 28, or he could be 37 (or a 37-year-old actor playing 31). Remember, Bond was a Commander in the Royal Navy and already had several secret service assignments under his belt when he got his double-oh. Trust me, nothing is closed on Craig.

I'm starting to feel like theres two scripts here. Theres the Sony "we want an older professional Bond" one and the Haggis/EON/Campbell "28 year-old" version - both of which are practically the same with minor differences (essentially the age of Bond and his experience with MI6).

What if EON hired Haggis to professionally polish the young rookie version to appease and perhaps persuade Sony that it could work. Doesn't that seem realistic? So they pick a guy who was recently nominated for an Academy Award, a guy who right now is kicking all sorts of in terms of writing. Right?

Nice theory, K1, but I'm afraid it's not quite right. And this is not an opinion. I know a little about the Haggis situation. Unfortunetly, I don't know so much that I can explain or understand exactly what's going on. But I know enough that I know I can't talk about it -- know what I mean?

[K1Bond007]

Actually, Haggis is polishing a script about a rookie 007. CR has always been about a rookie 007. But that rookie could be 28, or he could be 37 (or a 37-year-old actor playing 31). Remember, Bond was a Commander in the Royal Navy and already had several secret service assignments under his belt when he got his double-oh. Trust me, nothing is closed on Craig.

I'm starting to feel like theres two scripts here. Theres the Sony "we want an older professional Bond" one and the Haggis/EON/Campbell "28 year-old" version - both of which are practically the same with minor differences (essentially the age of Bond and his experience with MI6).

What if EON hired Haggis to professionally polish the young rookie version to appease and perhaps persuade Sony that it could work. Doesn't that seem realistic? So they pick a guy who was recently nominated for an Academy Award, a guy who right now is kicking all sorts of in terms of writing. Right?

Nice theory, K1, but I'm afraid it's not quite right. And this is not an opinion. I know a little about the Haggis deal. Unfortunetly, I don't know so much that I can explain or understand exactly what's going on. But I know enough that I know I can't talk about it -- know what I mean?

No, but you just essentially said "I don't know anything, except that you're wrong!"

How can they go the rookie route and then pick a guy like Craig or similar. He's obviously still in the running and I don't believe the case is shut there either. Oh hell.. I still can't explain Judi Dench so maybe the whole young Bond aspect is played down. I don't know. I don't care anymore.

You know that point when everything boils over and you just totally shut down. I'm at this point, with this movie. Tomorrow I can wake up to find that officially some 10 year-old was cast as Bond and I'm not sure I would react at all. Like one of those guys in the Airplane "what to do when your plane is crashing deal" pamplets - blank faces, calm as Hindu cows.