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[return of the saint]

Ok - so I know I've covered all of this in the other Daniel Craig thread - but I am actually surprised by the negative reaction to the way that Daniel Craig looks. Even his supporters consider that he would be the 'ugly' Bond.

You see other than on Bond sites I've never heared anybody say he was ugly - rougish perhaps, maybe ruggid, but hardly ugly. In fact most reviews of his work are overtly complentary to the way he looks.

Between us the Craig supporters have put a few pictures together in the other thread. But I just thought I'd collate them here.

Starting with Ian Flemings approved portait of James Bond and going from there.



ok - so that's the model - what about Craig?











Striking something of a movie Bond pose



And one for the ladies



So - would he really be 'the ugly Bond'? I mean I'm a hetrosexual guy, and I kind of wish I had his look (and luck - if you get my meaning).

[Johnboy007]

His facial appearance in the last one looks Bondian (coming from a non-Craig supporter). Not sure Bond should be that cut though.

I think he would make a wonderful villain or henchman, but i'm not yet sold on the idea of him as Bond.

[return of the saint]

Not yet? But perhaps eventually?

[dinovelvet]

If you can find any stills from The Jacket, he has black hair in that, it may help the cause

[Marketto007]

I don't know, but I don't simpatize with him...

His hair is not cool for a Bond role, and he have the face for a Villain or a Henchmann, well, this is what I think...my toughts"

xxx

[License To Kill]

No, he doesn't...

[trumanlodge89]

i think he would work as bond. he is a departure for broz, which is what many people want.... so why not go for it? just get the guy a better haircut and he should be good to go.

[Moore Not Less]

I think he would make a wonderful villain or henchman, but i'm not yet sold on the idea of him as Bond.

Agreed. Daniel Craig would be better suited as a villain or henchman.

[return of the saint]

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Surely somebody can see the resemblance?

Edited by return of the saint, 03 September 2005 - 08:30 PM.

[Mister Asterix]

[quote name='Shrublands' date='3 September 2005 - 07:30'][quote name='Mister Asterix' date='2 September 2005 - 18:28'][mra]Yup, one of our sources. We literally got this information minutes before I recorded the podcast when I made some calls to find out if there was any breaking news I should include.

[Spoon]

Honestly, I don't even see the resemblance to begin with, but even if there were one, it would be irrelevant anyway. Movie Bond is not Fleming Bond. Movie Bond is more glamorous and instantly charming. Things have to happen quickly in movies; it's difficult to find the time, in a movie like a Bond film, to fully sketch out a character who slowly wins people over with his inner qualities. And movies are more of a "mass appeal" medium than books; they have to entice a higher percentage of the population. So those are the reasons why "movie Bond" and "book Bond" are different.

If a person resembles the commissioned sketch and ALSO has matinee idol looks -- for example, Timothy Dalton or Jason Isaacs -- then great; that's a nice bonus. But if they resemble the sketch yet DON'T look like a matinee idol, then IMO, they're inappropriate for the "movie" Bond. (Let me again reiterate, although it's not my main point, that I simply don't see how Craig resembles the sketch in any event.)

[Martin Mystery]

ok - lets see who looks like whom.


Peter Parker

Tobey McGuire
erm - ok?

Bale looks like Bruce Wayne?


Bruce Wayne


Bruce Wayne?

Don't see it myself.


howabout


Fleming's own commisioned picture of James Bond


Daniel Craig.

Craig looks as much like Fleming's James Bond as any other actor that has played him on the screen.  And her certainly looks as much like the fictional character he would play as any other daring piece of movie casting in recent years has achieved.

I never said Eon were after a hot 'unknown' I said they were after a hot actor.  Which goes along with why they appraoched Owen.  As I said they missed the boat with Owen; Owen has already made it - Craig is just about to (if he is given access to the right material).  I really think they should get this guy whilst his star is still rising.

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about;

The spider-man pic is a fairly resent one - the movies are about Spider-Man's beginning and Toby McGuire actually looks a lot like Peter Parker did in the beginning - drawn by Steve Ditko and John Romita.

Christian Bale actually looks a lot like a young Bruce Wayne. The Bruce Wayne pic you posted is from a comic set in the "Batman: Animated"-world, and Wayne looks totally different in the REAL Batman comics.

Whether or not Craig looks like Bond can be debated.
But - I think he would be GREAT as Bond.

MM

[return of the saint]

Movie Bond is not Fleming Bond.

I think that movie Bond could stand to move a step closer to Fleming's original character - and away from the tailors dummy matinee idol cliche.

The picture was just a bit of fun really - kind of shows that none of the guys that have so far played James Bond really look that much like the man Fleming carried with him in his head. Craig looks just as much like him as the next man to me. Certainly Flemings Bond was not a smooth baby faced model. The cruel curl of the lip is there - as is that bit just below your nose and before you lip (damn I can never remember the line from that phone advert which told you what it was called).

[return of the saint]

actually I know a hell of a lot about that which I'm talking.

I've been a collector of comics (mainly Batman) for longer than I've been a Bond fan (I'm wearing a cool Batman logo circa 1975 T-shirt as I type). Bale looks very little like any version of Bruce wayne you might find. Even in Year One Wayne was not drawn to have a pointed chin and drawn features. Hey I enjoyed the film - but it wasn't a Batman film (as I a pureist) would consider it. Bale was great in the role - and as a character he nearly was Bruce Wayne -in everything but looks.

And yes - In SpiderMan 1 Tobey did look a lot like phase 1 Peter Parker, but the story of the second film was clearly based on SpiderMan No More - which featured the much more 'hip' and self assured Parker that we get today. Tobey MacGuire bears next to no resemblance of the Peter Parker that I has ever read about (mainly those in which Spidy is allowed to eneter the DC universe).

You are right about Craig though.

[Sam Fisher]

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Surely somebody can see the resemblance?

If he had natural black hair and it was maybe a bit thicker then yea, he'd be a good choice. Other than that I look at the Fleming approved model and I'm thinking: DALTON!

It's close, but in the end...pass on Daniel Craig

Also ROTS: You've made some excelent points and I highly regard you on your love for the original, book Bond

Edited by Sam Fisher, 03 September 2005 - 09:33 PM.

[tdalton]

If you can find any stills from The Jacket, he has black hair in that, it may help the cause

I agree. If anyone has caps from The Jacket or could make some, then they should post them, because I think that they would do a lot to help change the minds of some who think that he's simply not good looking enough for the role.

[Bond Bombshell]

One of the concerns I have about Daniel Craig is his height. According to IMDB he is 6', but I think this is inaccurate. I distinctly remember a promotional interview for Layer Cake, which I think was for the Sunday Telegraph magazine, in which the interviewer estimated his height to be 5'9". Now this is a good average for men in the UK, but rather short by Bond standards. I also recall Gwyneth Paltrow being forced to remove her high heels, while acting opposite Craig on the set of Sylvia.

It was also interesting to contrast the relative height of Craig, Brosnan and Owen when they were all guest presenters at the last BAFTAs. The very tall Stephen Fry was compere and he towered over them all, but he absolutely dwarfed Craig!

Craig wouldn't be my first pick for Bond, but I do think that he is a fine actor who has a commanding screen presence, and perhaps this can make up for his lack of inches. I would certainly take him in an instant before any of the alleged final four.

[trumanlodge89]

height really means very little in hollywood. roger moore was the shortest of the bonds, i belive, and with some vertical stripes, he looked taller. camera trickes and the like are also very effective. if the bond girl has to wear flats when in the shot with bond, its fine, because she can wear heels as she walks away. a few inches here or there doesnt really mean much.

Edited by trumanlodge89, 03 September 2005 - 11:52 PM.

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]A short bit of twiddling in Photoshop and I

[tdalton]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='4 September 2005 - 00:13'][mra]A short bit of twiddling in Photoshop and I

[British Chap]

Wow I am impressed. I never thought Craig could do it until I saw that image.

Although, for the topic creator I have a diffrent model I use when I try to find the next Bond.

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Edited by Qwerty, 10 September 2005 - 05:49 AM.

[hrabb04]

If Austin Powers met him, he would punch him in the face and try to take his hair off, complaining how many times Craig had been hit with an ugly stick.

[Martin Mystery]

Everybody can tell you how Clark Kent looks - with Bruce Wayne it's a different story. His looks have varied from artist to artist over the years. We'll have to disagree on Bale - IMO he comes pretty close to what a young Bruce Wayne would look like.

About Spider-Man: Should the producers have hired another actor for Spider-Man II that looked more like the Romita Jr. Spider-Man? Or maybe changed Maguire's appearance somehow? It would have confused the audience methinks.

Well, at least we agree on Craig.

MM

Edited by Martin Mystery, 05 September 2005 - 04:50 PM.

[hrabb04]

Hmm, could the man, whose claim to fame is being in a movie where he gets his brains blown out by Forrest Gump, be Bond? God Help Us.

[sevenil]

Daniel Craig is a fine actor and would nail the part but he wont be Bond.

Owen is never Bond and i dont believe he was considered to be so.

The public got carried away cause of the tuxedo pics from the croupier and the Bmw ads but he never convinced me that he was Bond. A fine actor yes I loved him in Sin City and Closer but not Bond.

Craig and Owen I believe will have bigger fish to fry after recent successes and i believe the Bond role will be Dougray Scotts or Gerry Butlers.

Scotts denials convince me its him though.

And a few stories im hearing from good sources.

Think Flemings description and see Scott its him.

[cvheady007]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='3 September 2005 - 23:13'][mra]A short bit of twiddling in Photoshop and I

[hrabb04]

...or you can forego the photoshop and special effects and actually hire someone who looks like him

[Kronsteen]

I think he looks good and he he could possibly pull it off. I mean, you can always dye his hair and fix things like that. Sean Connery was the best Bond and he had a wig! Why couldn't someone like Craig pull it off?

[hrabb04]

By the same token, you can always put Daniel Radcliffe on stilts, and he can also be Bond!

[Mister Asterix]

By the same token, you can always put Daniel Radcliffe on stilts, and he can also be Bond!

[mra]Oh come on. If your not going to allow hair dye then scratch Roger Moore. And surely Connery