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[Spoon]

Stax, you have been running to all the various Bond boards, starting Craig threads all over the place, and insulting anyone who disagrees with you about how great the guy is.

Given that, how am I supposed to take your journalism seriously? If you report something positive about Craig, or negative about other candidates, am I supposed to take that as fact, or as wishful thinking and/or trying to influence the process on your part? Are you an objective journalist, or a Daniel Craig advocate?

I have some idea how zencat feels about the direction the series should take, but he doesn't start up a bunch of threads here advocating that point of view, nor does he put down people who feel differently. That's a part of why, when he reports something, I know I can believe it.

[Seannery]

Stax though Craig isn't one of my favorite candidates--I concur with you. Even if Craig is a short term Bond ala Dalton(certainly possible) he wouldn't come close to damaging Bond. And he does have potential to be a really good Bond--he's not a sure thing BUT I could see him working well.

[Forever007]

This is an open forum for anyone to express their views. Everyone has that right and should feel free to do so as they desire, but NOT to insult others by putting them down. It's one thing to be objective or to strongly defend a point of view. It's another to do so by putting down people who may not share that view.

[zencat]

[quote name='Spoon' date='29 September 2005 - 11:30']Stax, you have been running to all the various Bond boards, starting Craig threads all over the place, and insulting anyone who disagrees with you about how great the guy is.

Given that, how am I supposed to take your journalism seriously?

[Spoon]

Fair enough, zen. I still will have questions in my mind to be honest whether his fandom affects his journalism (like that "Craig is in stunt training" item - it doesn't even really make sense!), but I don't want to silence him by any means since his point of view is well expressed and I can take or leave the journalism as I please.

[Stax]

Well, since you're going to other sites' boards and posting then why can't I? I was a Bond fan first and a news gatherer second. Boards are meant for people to express opinions and, if they'd like, to debate. Someone posts their opinion, I post mine. I'm not saying anything hurtful about someone or their opinion. You're the one calling my integrity into question when I'm just expressing a counter-opinion about some actor. If you're so mindful of others' feelings and not saying anything hurtful about someone, demand that CBn remove all the "Daniel Craig is ugly" posts. That should cut this board in half.

[zencat]

[quote name='Spoon' date='29 September 2005 - 11:41']Fair enough, zen.

[Seannery]

Can't we all get along!

[zencat]

Just imagine if Craig does get the part. Ho, brother! We will have a full year of this.

[Seannery]

Just imagine if Craig does get the part. Ho, brother! We will have a full year of this.

Zencat whoever gets the role will get a lot of incidental heat through the fury of debate that will ensue!

[Forever007]

If Craig got the part then this forum will EXPLODE with debate. No other candidate for Bond #6 would draw anywhere near the debate Craig would.

[Loomis]

Far too many fans are reactionary--deciding if someone would be a good or bad Bond based on photos they find on the web. Ridiculous.

Hmmm.... well, many of the fans who've voiced disquiet (or worse) over Craig have seen LAYER CAKE and other things he's been in. Personally, I really, really want Craig to be the new Bond, and I'll be disappointed if anyone else is announced (well, unless it's Owen). The way certain CBners (who are not given to wild and crazy talk) are talking, it would seem that they're convinced he's either landed the role or is pretty much a dead cert.

However, even I am not totally sold on Craig as "the perfect candidate". Yes, I support him, but I still have serious reservations. And I don't think the comparisons with Keaton as Batman and Jackman as Wolverine are all that exact. Batman and Wolverine didn't have enormously successful 40-year histories of being played by people who looked nothing like Keaton and Jackman. Like it or not, Craig would be a risk. Slice it any way you like, but he is not a conventional Bond, and pointing that out hardly makes one an ultraconservative whining fanboy.

[Alessandra]

If Craig got the part then this forum will EXPLODE with debate.  No other candidate for Bond #6 would draw anywhere near the debate Craig would.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!??! Do you guys really intend to GO ON with discussions on Craig even AFTER his appointment??!!? (IF he is appointed that is)
SPARE US PLEASE!!!! I don't like him at all, but once he's chosen.. WHAT ON EARTH IS THE POINT OF KEEPING DISCUSSING??!?! absolutely nothing... one thing is to talk in theory and express views on who should and should not be chosen, another is to discuss after a decision has ALREADY been made.
ENOUGH of ALL this Daniel Craig stuff. I'm serious, ENOUGH!! as if he was the only actor left on earth. PLEASE! STOP IT! I repeat, I don't like him and have expressed my views, but too much is too much.
this forum is giving him so much publicity that he he could dream about having the same amount in his ENTIRE career (BTW if you ask around in italy, france, spain NOBODY and I mean NOBODY has the FAINTEST idea who this guy is).
I'll say it in Italian: basta!!! enough! if he will be the appointed Bond then FULL STOP, cash in the blow as we say in Italian and just accept it!!
I won't go to see the new Bond if he's in, and will wait for the dvd.. or not even, for Sky Cinema to broadcast it here! lol
but PLEASE NO MORE CRAIG discussion. SERIOUSLY: ENOUGH!!

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

Just imagine if Craig does get the part. Ho, brother! We will have a full year of this.

No, maybe then all the people who bitch will follow through on their boycott plan. It'll clean out the riff-raff.

[Moore Not Less]

Bond fans will probably be proven dead wrong about Craig just as Bat-fans were about Michael Keaton and X-fans about Hugh Jackman. Lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth over nothing. Have more faith in the durability of your favorite franchise, will ya? Craig won't kill it.

Well, Daniel Craig will have to prove me wrong if he is hired by Eon to portray Bond in Casino Royale. Personally, I don't think that he is suitable for the role. He would be more suitable as a Bond villain. Having said that, if Craig becomes 007 I will certainly give him the benefit of my doubts until I have seen the film. He could prove me wrong, but if he doesn't I agree that he won't kill the Bond series.

Edited by Moore Not Less, 29 September 2005 - 07:59 PM.

[Loomis]

I really don't get this Craig-in-stunt-training-for-Bond theory. Why so early? And what "stunts" would he be required to do, other than throw a few fake punches and various low-level things like that? They're not going to have him do anything dangerous under any circumstances. That's obviously the stunt performers' role. And how would they even know for sure at this point what kind of fight scenes the Bond actor will be required to do?

Besides, wouldn't Craig already know how to throw and take fake punches, being a very experienced actor?

Fitness training for Bond - now that I could understand. But it seems Craig keeps himself in decent shape anyway.

[Moore Not Less]

I really don't get this Craig-in-stunt-training-for-Bond theory. Why so early? And what "stunts" would he be required to do, other than throw a few fake punches and various low-level things like that? They're not going to have him do anything dangerous under any circumstances. That's obviously the stunt performers' role. And how would they even know for sure at this point what kind of fight scenes the Bond actor will be required to do?

Besides, wouldn't Craig already know how to throw and take fake punches, being a very experienced actor?

Fitness training for Bond - now that I could understand. But it seems Craig keeps himself in decent shape anyway.

Well, I would have thought that Daniel Craig could indeed throw and take fake punches. Perhaps, some at Eon are not totally convinced of this so they wan't to look at him at close quarters. Try him out in a few situations to see if he has the necessary abilities that they are looking for.

Reminds me a bit of how George Lazenby was tested for his ability in fight scenes for OHMSS.

[Agent Provocateur]

I really don't get this Craig-in-stunt-training-for-Bond theory. Why so early? And what "stunts" would he be required to do, other than throw a few fake punches and various low-level things like that? They're not going to have him do anything dangerous under any circumstances. That's obviously the stunt performers' role. And how would they even know for sure at this point what kind of fight scenes the Bond actor will be required to do?

Besides, wouldn't Craig already know how to throw and take fake punches, being a very experienced actor?

Fitness training for Bond - now that I could understand. But it seems Craig keeps himself in decent shape anyway.

I was thinking the same exact thing this morning, Loomis. I figure the whole stunt-training-for-Bond thing is another red herring. If they would have went with fitness training it would have been more believable.

[Bon-san]

[Mods Note: Post deleted.]

OK, that's seven posts with the same text. I think the mods will see it soon enough, right?

Welcome to CBn.

Edited by Qwerty, 29 September 2005 - 08:49 PM.

[Stax]

Uhh, it's perfectly reasonable to do stunt training this early on. Mann rehearsed the club shootout scene in Collateral with Tom Cruise months ahead of shooting and they worked on it every day. McGregor and Christiansen did fencing training months ahead of the Star Wars prequels. There are safety concerns, and also the fact that the actors have to look proficient in what they're doing. That take time and time is something that precious few actors have when they're filming movies back-to-back (as Craig would be if he does Casino Royale). As for them not knowing what stunts they'd even be doing? Not so. They plan sequences months ahead of time.

Edited by Stax, 29 September 2005 - 08:47 PM.

[Loomis]

Uhh, it's perfectly reasonable to do stunt training this early on. Mann rehearsed the club shootout scene in Collateral with Tom Cruise months ahead of shooting and they worked on it every day. McGregor and Christiansen did fencing training months ahead of the Star Wars prequels. There are safety concerns, and also the fact that the actors have to look proficient in what they're doing. That take time and time is something that precious few actors have when they're filming movies back-to-back (as Craig would be if he does Casino Royale). As for them not knowing what stunts they'd even be doing? Not so. They plan sequences months ahead of time.

Really? Thanks, Stax, didn't know any of that.

According to the IMDb (not always the most reliable of sources, though), Craig is also involved in a film called HAVE YOU HEARD?, which is currently filming. Any idea how this may affect his chances of being Bond?

[dinovelvet]

According to the IMDb (not always the most reliable of sources, though), Craig is also involved in a film called HAVE YOU HEARD?, which is currently filming. Any idea how this may affect his chances of being Bond?

Oh I think that one finished filming a while ago, I remember seeing photos of Sandra Bullock on the set, this was several months back. If you notice, it says "filming" and then "last updated on Feb 10th", so its obviously over and done with.

Edited by dinovelvet, 29 September 2005 - 09:28 PM.

[Stax]

The IMDB is not always reliable for films in progress. "Have You Heard?" (pka Every Word is True) has already filmed and is awaiting release. It's a rival Capote project. Craig segued from Spielberg's Munich to The Visiting (pka Invasion), which is now filming in Baltimore and Va. He could then segue to CR in early 2006 if cast.

Craig confirms that he finished his role as killer Perry Smith in the Capote flick earlier this year:

http://www.movieweb....ews.php?id=7807

[Loomis]

Cheers, dinovelvet and Stax. BTW, there's some interesting talk over at MI6 on the reasons why Owen won't be Bond. I'm gathering that he may well have been interested in the role, but that The Powers That Be run an extraordinarily tight ship when it comes to things like salaries and allowing Bond actors to do certain types of films while under contract for 007.

If this is true, then I'd be surprised if Craig would have any truck with it. Compared to the other so-called Bond finalists, the guy's a megastar (certainly, he's practically in Owen's league, if not in it already).

For this and other reasons, I'll be absolutely amazed (but, as I say, delighted) if he's the new Bond.

[Marquis]

Bond fans will probably be proven dead wrong about Craig just as Bat-fans were about Michael Keaton and X-fans about Hugh Jackman. Lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth over nothing. Have more faith in the durability of your favorite franchise, will ya? Craig won't kill it.

That's all well and good but Jackman and Keaton don't have facial features that look like the back end of a bus. No-ones questioning Craig's acting credentials or his ability to serve Flemings character..but people are quite universal about his appearance. This "orrible looking pikey" simply does not have the required leading man looks to carry a major motion picture let alone the biggest franchise in the history of cinema. He's a character actor and a bloody good one..but he absolutely isn't James Bond!

[Twine29]

I have faith the EON will prevail and give the fans what the deserve. It's a new start and with that they are going in a new direction with actors to play the role(s).

[Alex Zamudio]

Just imagine if Craig does get the part. Ho, brother! We will have a full year of this.

YES! Double the pleasure for me, Craig as Agent 007, and heated debate for eons about his portrayal, I love controversy, Bring him on!!

[Loomis]

Okay, Bond isn't actually mentioned in this new piece of Craig "news", incredibly enough, but one wonders whether he sees himself as too "sledgehammer" or "nutcase" for 007.

http://www.contactmu.....0romcom roles

CRAIG TOO MUCH OF A 'NUTCASE' FOR ROMCOM ROLES

LARA CROFT: TOMB RAIDER heart-throb DANIEL CRAIG is convinced he will never be cast in a romantic comedy because he isn't subtle enough.

But Craig insists those parts don't interest him anyway, despite their popular appeal to cinema audiences.

The sexy British actor believes his forceful personality doesn't suit roles like HUGH GRANT's in FOUR WEDDINGS AND A FUNERAL and NOTTING HILL.

He explains, "Bless Hugh Grant, he's brilliant at what he does, and we fall in love with him because there's an element of a struggle there.

"It's just that I tend to go a bit more 'sledgehammer', and people go, 'He's a ing nutcase.'"

[avl]

Okay, Bond isn't actually mentioned in this new piece of Craig "news", incredibly enough, but one wonders whether he sees himself as too "sledgehammer" or "nutcase" for 007.

well one suspects he won't be telling Solitaire that he is "just being disarming, Darling". But Bond as the Secret Service's "blunt instrument" - check.

[ACE]

BBC News, Thursday, 29 September 2005, 10:53 GMT 11:53 UK

Bond race 'entering final stages'

Daniel Craig took the lead role in 2004 gangster film Layer Cake
The protracted process of choosing a new James Bond is coming to an end, according to Hollywood paper Variety.

Screen tests will end this week and four relatively unknown actors are in the running, Variety has reported.

The contenders are Layer Cake actor Daniel Craig, 22-year-old Henry Cavill, ER star Goran Visnjic and Australian Sam Worthington, Variety said.

The 21st James Bond film, Casino Royale, will be based on Ian Fleming's first novel and released next year.

Producers are thought to be looking for someone younger than the 52-year-old incumbent Pierce Brosnan.

'Reinvent'

Writer Paul Haggis recently told the Hollywood Reporter: "We're trying to reinvent Bond. He's 28 - no Q, no gadgets."

In the 1953 Casino Royale book, the spy was introduced as a more youthful, realistic and cold character than he has since become in the films.

Daniel Craig, 37, is best-known for playing poet Ted Hughes opposite Gwyneth Paltrow in Sylvia and taking the lead role in gangster film Layer Cake.

He is due to appear with Nicole Kidman in alien thriller The Visiting and in Steven Spielberg's drama Munich, about the massacre at the 1972 Olympics.

Contenders

Sam Worthington, 29, got his big break last year when he won an Australian Film Institute award for his role in small-town coming-of-age saga Somersault.

Croatian actor Goran Visnjic, 33, plays Dr Luka Kovac in US TV drama ER and has appeared in films such as Elektra and The Deep End.

And Henry Cavill, from Jersey, has had roles in movies including The Count of Monte Cristo and I Capture the Castle.

Numerous other actors have been linked with Casino Royale including Ewan McGregor, Jude Law, Hugh Jackman, Clive Owen and Dougray Scott.

The spokesperson for James Bond production company Eon was unavailable for comment.