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[luciusgore]

http://www.sky.com/s...1162596,00.html

[Turn]

Bookies are always such reliable sources. I wonder what the odds on Colin Farrell are these days?

[Agent 76]

Good choice for Bond....if only Bond was black.

But that doesn't mean he's not a good actor , He is a great actor , but if Eon will choose him I support the idea.

[Twine29]

I have just come to except that all information is rumored until proven true...

However, if the claims that he may be handling Bond is true, then I give him my

full support!

But...

But...

But...

...What about Ioan?!

[zencat]

I like Colin and I'm not adverse to the idea of a black James Bond at all. It could be very interesting. At at least he's the right age. I would take Colin over most of the names that have been put forth so far. But I don't take this "news" anymore seriously than any of the other candidate rumors.

[Methos]

If inside reports are actually what has prompted these recent bets, then I think it's a fair indication that the screentesting process might've begun. After all, we do know that Colin Salmon has stood in for Bond, when screentesting Bond's leading ladies. I honestly don't think that EON would do something so radical as alter a 42 year precedent of the character's image. No offence to Salmon, who's done a great job as Robinson, but Colin Salmon is no James Bond.

[Bond is back]

Even if he were the right colour, which he obviously isn't, he still wouldn't be suitable. He's too tall for Bond - being 6'4. Bond is not a (comparative) giant.

It's all getting silly now - too tall, too short, too unattractive, too this, too that. Nobody seems to know who should play Bond! Don't ask me, I only lurk here!

Edited by Bond is back, 02 December 2004 - 05:06 PM.

[Icephoenix]

We've had this discussion before. And a black James Bond? There is no such thing. Bond is not Black. This isn't bigotry, it's just fact. Colin's a great actor, and I like him as Robinson. But no.

[gkgyver]

I dare say that for me, a black Bond is neither "interesting" nor acceptable at all.
In fact, it's one of the few things that could make me avoid Bond 21.

[Jeff007]

What a rediculous idea. It could never work. James Bond will always be a white male. I'm not racist but it just can't be done having Colin as James Bond. I think he's amazing with playing Robinson, but he's no 007.

If they want, an interesting idea would be to promote Charles Robinson to 00 status. This way he could be a double-oh, and go on missions with Bond. Any thoughts? The mysterious 008?

[Adrian Carlisle]

Colin Salmon is great. No Bond's not black, but if it meant Colin Salmon playing him then I say bring it on! If he's chosen he gets my sfull support.

Won't happen though.

...So bring on Ioan!

[Bond is back]

Yeah, just imagine the uproar there would be if Blade fans heard the next film in that franchise was not to be played by a black Wesley Snipes but a white guy. I reckon 99.9% of Blade fans would be demanding the studio hires a black gay to replace Snipes.

It should be no different with Bond. Fleming created James Bond as a white man. Just one of those things that can never change. I like to be fairly tolerant when it comes to Bond, but I think it's pretty much insulting all Bond fans for the media to be seriously suggesting Salmon is a genuine candidate. If he is a genuine candidate then Eon has lost all respect for Fleming's white creation. Fleming would never approve of a coloured man as Bond. Fleming was actually a slight racist anyway - see the representation of blacks in the books - so I know he would never approve!

Edited by Bond is back, 02 December 2004 - 05:23 PM.

[Bond is back]

"black gay to replace Snipes"

LOL Freudian slip that. Er.. I meant 'black guy'!

[Icephoenix]

Try the edit button

[Bond is back]

If they want, an interesting idea would be to promote Charles Robinson to 00 status. This way he could be a double-oh, and go on missions with Bond. Any thoughts? The mysterious 008?

Brilliant idea, Jeff. That could work really well.

[Adrian Carlisle]

Actually I don't think it'd be THAT big of a deal. Sure, when it's first announced people would grumble and get upset, but what if he kicks all manners, forms, and varieties of in the role? After all, Bond is an ever-changing character and after Salmon's tenure we'd be back to a white guy.

I fully appreciate the viewpoint that Fleming's legacy should be respected, but honestly I personally think it's not a huge issue, just because it's Salmon. I mean, let's face it, he'd be great, he really would. If he was chosen, people would get over it after awhile.

[Bond is back]

One other reason why it's a daft idea...

Salmon is already an established character in the Bond world so it would make zero sense for him to reappear in the next film as Bond. Then again, we did have an invisible car in DAD so anything is possible.

[Bond is back]

I fully appreciate the viewpoint that Fleming's legacy should be respected, but honestly I personally think it's not a huge issue, just because it's Salmon. I mean, let's face it, he'd be great, he really would. If he was chosen, people would get over it after awhile

Not playing devil's advocate, but why would he be great? Salmon is a bit-player in the recent films - in fact, you don't even need him in the franchise if one is brutally honest. How much screen time did he have in DAD? About a minute or so. There is nothing I have seen of Salmon in any of the three films he's appeared in to suggest he would be a great Bond. Perhap his work outside Bond would give me a better impression of his Bond potential?

And if people want a really tall Bond then why not consider a shorter man as Bond? It cuts both ways.

Edited by Bond is back, 02 December 2004 - 05:37 PM.

[Adrian Carlisle]

If they want, an interesting idea would be to promote Charles Robinson to 00 status.

I always thought Robinson was like right below M and Tanner, and thus Bond's superior?

[Adrian Carlisle]

I fully appreciate the viewpoint that Fleming's legacy should be respected, but honestly I personally think it's not a huge issue, just because it's Salmon. I mean, let's face it, he'd be great, he really would. If he was chosen, people would get over it after awhile

Not playing devil's advocate, but why would he be great? Salmon is a bit-player in the recent films - in fact, you don't even need him in the franchise if one is brutally honest. How much screen time did he have in DAD? About a minute or so. There is nothing I have seen of Salmon in any of the three films he's appeared in to suggest he would be a great Bond. Perhap his work outside Bond would give me a better impression of his Bond potential?

And if people want a really tall Bond then why not consider a shorter man as Bond? It cuts both ways.

Well, he was in Resident Evil, but that was a run of the mill "macho soldier" thing. But I remember just how damn imposing and masculine he was in Prime Suspect 2, and then there's Keen Eddie...

[Bond is back]

Well whatever rank he holds, he can hardly morph from Robinson to Bond in one film. Be plain bonkers. Of course the tabloids don't even consider that. Tsk.

[Scottlee]

Salmon can't be Bond because....

a)He's black. No offence, but James Bond is not black.

b)He's too fresh in the audience's memory as being an M16 staff member who helps Bond. He's good in that role. Let him carry on doing that.

[Bondian]

James Bond:.....Hugh Jackman
Colin Salmon.....M
Michael Kitchen.....Bill Tanner
Miss Moneypenny.....Estelle Warren
John Cleese.....Q

[Adrian Carlisle]

Well whatever rank he holds, he can hardly morph from Robinson to Bond in one film. Be plain bonkers. Of course the tabloids don't even consider that. Tsk.

Again, it wouldn't really be that big of a deal. He's been in three films now for a total of about two minutes of screen time. We Bond fans would notice, and maybe many of us would gripe, but like you said it's one film. You can only gripe for so long. By his second outing, would it REALLY matter? He was Robinson for 2 minutes compared to being Bond for several hours. People would eventually get over it, and the lay viewer wouldn't care, probably.

They'd see TND on TV or something and go "Oh, that guy's Bond now. Cool." and not think anything of it.

Edited by Adrian Carlisle, 02 December 2004 - 05:50 PM.

[Bond is back]

Adrian, what you are suggesting is very dangerous. If Bond could be black, then he could be a woman or a teenager. You may laugh but I am serious. If you change Fleming's creation from a white man to a black man then you're basically saying "anything goes."

And that is a dangerous approach to take.

Bond must never be played by a man other than of white complexion. If people here think they're true Bond fans then the very least they should do is respect what Fleming created - and that was a white man. To suggest a black man as Bond is showing zero respect for Fleming's creation.

[zencat]

The white or black argument aside for a moment, what do people think about the way this rumor has come out? A sudden mysterious flood of high-stakes betting on a very unconventional candidate (so much so the betting house closes betting, suspecting an insider leak). Could a decision have been made? Will Colin Salmon be announced a Bond #6....tomorrow? Dec 3 does hold a place in Bond history

[Bond is back]

Zen, I think it's just another nonsense rumour. Remember when Eric Bana was proclaimed the new Bond? The media were convinced he was. Well, he wasn't. So this latest bit of 'fluff', as I like to put it, is nothing new.

God forbid the media could actually wait till Eon announces something definite before taking leave of their senses and assuming every male actor out there is signed-up as Bond!

[Adrian Carlisle]

To suggest a black man as Bond is showing zero respect for Fleming's creation.

Depends on how you look at it. Bond's changed a lot over the years, and while that doesn't justify a radical change such as his skin color, it raises the question of whether the modern Bond is still Fleming's creation.

Yeah...but he's different. Besides, sometimes having respect for a character extends to recognising a guy who has the ability to play him as he should be played.

And you know what? I'd pick Colin Salmon over Hugh Jackman, Colin Farrell, Orlando Bloom, Dougray Scott...

He'd be a great Bond, pure and simple. And recognising his ability, I think, IS having respect for Fleming's creation. Bond's character is defined by his character, not his skin color.

It might be a dangerous position to take, but the only difference is a little melanin.

[Methos]

If inside reports are actually what has prompted these recent bets, then I think it's a fair indication that the screentesting process might've begun. After all, we do know that Colin Salmon has stood in for Bond, when screentesting Bond's leading ladies.

I already stated what I thought about the flood of bets. Then again, it could be Pierce Brosnan trying to play a nasty joke on the media!! Could ya imagine it?? We don't know where these bets have flooded in from after all.

[Adrian Carlisle]

Hey Methos -

Next it's gonna be "Peter Wingfield for Bond? Bookmakers say so!"

(Actually I think he'd make a swell villain or periphery 00-Agent)