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[Blofeld's Cat]

Only for more days before this movie is unleased onto the world. Can't wait

I was wondering what the pre-release buzz is on the movie, and when is it supposed to be set? After Predator 2, I presume, but where does it fit into the Alien franchise timeline?

[Genrewriter]

As far as the Alien films go, this would count as a prequel.

[Blofeld's Cat]

So the Alien was known to the "company" before the events of Alien??

[Genrewriter]

Looks like it, actually I believe it's implied in the original that the company knew about it when they sent the Nostromo to the planet.

[Blofeld's Cat]

And this why the "company" spent billions to set up a colony on the planet, to feed the beasties. Mother[censored]ers!

Interesting that Lance Henriksen's character is named Charles Bishop Weyland.

[Genrewriter]

Yep, I like how it all ties in with the rest of the series.

[mattbowyer]

Theres a really good interview just put up at darkhorizons.com with the director which answers a lot of questions.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Theres a really good interview just put up at darkhorizons.com with the director which answers a lot of questions.

Thanks Matt. I'll check it out.

[Grubozaboyschikov]

I don't know much about the movie ('cause I want it to be a totall surprise for me), but I know for certain that there've been rumours about the F/X guys being late for the deadline. So the premiere may be postponed.

As for a possible plot, I've heard a nice idea about how the movie should be ended, to blend the PREDATOR saga perfectly with the ALIEN one. A spaceship with PREDATORS (infected with ALIENS) starts from the Earth, but on the way to their home a disaster occurs and it crashes right into the planet which (hundreds years later) will be visited by Nostromo. You remember the crashed spaceship in ALIEN? And a monster which a bit resembles a Predator?

I only wish this idea were mine:)

[Grubozaboyschikov]

One more curious fact.

There was a cheap horror movie called BIO-FORCE 1, about some biological monster killing off a Ranger team one by one in a forest. When it was released Russian videopirates saw a certain resemblance of the monster to Predator and began selling this movie under the title PREDATOR 3: BIO-FORCE. I think some people are still sure they've seen a real sequel:)

[Harmsway]

AVP isn't going to be a good movie, but I'll see it. It'll be my guilty pleasure of the summer, and I'll enjoy it only because it's got the Aliens and Predators on screen together. Otherwise, I'm expecting to suck when compared to Predator and all 4 of the Alien films.

[SPECTRE ASSASSIN]

I'm looking forward to this film. Unlike last year's "Freddy vs. Jason" showdown, which ended in a draw, "AVP" supposebly has a winner here. Go Predator! Hopefully director Paul Thomas Anderson doesn't screw this film up, like he did for "Resident Evil".

[Harmsway]

I'm looking forward to this film. Unlike last year's "Freddy vs. Jason" showdown, which ended in a draw, "AVP" supposebly has a winner here. Go Predator! Hopefully director Paul Thomas Anderson doesn't screw this film up, like he did for "Resident Evil".

Oh, believe me he will. At least that's what all the reviews from early screenings have said (in fact, they've said it's Paul Anderson's worst film). It's just gonna be a popcorn film and not much else.

[Max Zorin]

Paul Anderson's WORST film?

God help us.

[Roebuck]

It's just gonna be a popcorn film and not much else.

I get the impression that what you get out of this film will depend on whether you think of it as Alien 5 or Predator 3. The Predator movies were never more than loud, dumb sci-fi actioners. The reputation of the first film got a bit of a boost after McTiernan directed Die Hard, but it's still just a creature feature. Taken on that level, AVP should deliver.

[Loomis]

I get the impression that what you get out of this film will depend on whether you think of it as Alien 5 or Predator 3.

Or as the latest entry in a seven-film franchise comprised of the ALIEN and PREDATOR movies. Should we retrospectively consider the ALIENs and PREDATORs as a single series?

[Harmsway]

I get the impression that what you get out of this film will depend on whether you think of it as Alien 5 or Predator 3.

Or as the latest entry in a seven-film franchise comprised of the ALIEN and PREDATOR movies. Should we retrospectively consider the ALIENs and PREDATORs as a single series?

I would hope not. I don't like putting the rather brilliant Alien and Aliens next to a popcorn film like Predator (don't get me wrong, I like Predator, but it's not the masterpiece that Alien and Aliens are). But maybe that's a flawed idea, seeing as Alien and Aliens already sit next to the awful Alien Resurrection in their own series.

[Roebuck]

I get the impression that what you get out of this film will depend on whether you think of it as Alien 5 or Predator 3.

Or as the latest entry in a seven-film franchise comprised of the ALIEN and PREDATOR movies. Should we retrospectively consider the ALIENs and PREDATORs as a single series?

I didn't mean to be that literal. What I was getting at is that the Alien franchise has two iconic movies to it's credit, whilst the Predator films are B-movie fluff. So my own reading of AVP is that it will be more like a Predator film that happens to feature the Xenomorphs.

[Loomis]

Well, I suppose very few people consider the FRIDAY THE 13THs and the NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREETs to be a single series in the wake of FREDDY VS JASON.

Personally, I don't consider ALIENS VS PREDATOR (BTW, why isn't it ALIENS VS PREDATORS? Is there only one Predator in this new movie?) to be either ALIEN 5 or PREDATOR 3, but a stand-alone affair. Then again, I guess there's an argument to be made for the seven-picture series theory.

I think you slightly underrate PREDATOR, Roebuck. Not a masterpiece, but certainly a fair few notches above most movies of its ilk. Just by-the-by, this, but I've always viewed it as a horror movie, not really any different to, say, THE EXORCIST, JAWS or HALLOWEEN (albeit nowhere near as good as those films), and not as a sci-fi/action hybrid.

PREDATOR 2 is utter dreck, though. The first two ALIEN pictures are terrific, the other two interesting failures (and I much prefer RESURRECTION to 3).

[Harmsway]

Well, I suppose very few people consider the FRIDAY THE 13THs and the NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREETs to be a single series in the wake of FREDDY VS JASON.

Personally, I don't consider ALIENS VS PREDATOR (BTW, why isn't it ALIENS VS PREDATORS? Is there only one Predator in this new movie?) to be either ALIEN 5 or PREDATOR 3, but a stand-alone affair. Then again, I guess there's an argument to be made for the seven-picture series theory.

I think you slightly underrate PREDATOR, Roebuck. Not a masterpiece, but certainly a fair few notches above most movies of its ilk. Just by-the-by, this, but I've always viewed it as a horror movie, not really any different to, say, THE EXORCIST, JAWS or HALLOWEEN (albeit nowhere near as good as those films), and not as a sci-fi/action hybrid.

PREDATOR 2 is utter dreck, though. The first two ALIEN pictures are terrific, the other two interesting failures (and I much prefer RESURRECTION to 3).

Well the title is "Alien vs. Predator" not "Aliens vs. Predator". So it's referring to the race of the alien and the race of the predator.

And then I do agree Predator is underrated. I don't think it's technically a horror film - I think it's certainly more towards the action slant. But it's definitely chock full of suspense.

About Alien 3 versus Resurrection. Well I hate Resurrection for one reason: the newborn. The newborn is the single worst idea that they could've come up with for an Alien sequel, and I can't stand it. Alien 3, while considerably less interesting and exciting than Resurrection, wasn't anywhere near as offensively bad. It was just boring.

[Blofeld's Cat]

I get the impression that what you get out of this film will depend on whether you think of it as Alien 5 or Predator 3.

Neither probably, but an "Alien Quinrilogy" does sound weirder than a "Predator Trilogy" though.

[Loomis]

Well the title is "Alien vs. Predator" not "Aliens vs. Predator". So it's referring to the race of the alien and the race of the predator.

You're quite right. Don't know where I got the idea that the film was called ALIENS VS PREDATOR, but that's how I've been referring to it for months.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Anyone seen it yet?

[Qwerty]

Getting some odd (bad mostly) reviews.

[Robinson]

Getting some odd (bad mostly) reviews.

I just saw it a couple of hours ago and have allowed some things to sink in.

It's not the stinker that many claimed it would be nor is it smoking gun that should preclude the stoning and subsequent disembowelment of Director/Screenwriter Paul WS Anderson. On a basic level it's entertaining- once the action starts. In the larger context, there are plenty of missed opportunities that would've elevated this film to something worth seeing again.

I enjoyed this film on a very basic level(as did most in the audience) but I felt a lot more could've been done, given the fan following of both species and their place in sci-fi cinema lore.

Personally, I thought they should've moved the film into relatively the same era as the ALIEN franchise. In fact I wished they could've just adapted the original Dark Horse Comic limited series to the big screen.

That being said, I wonder what would we get if James Cameron were to have developed and directed this project?

[Genrewriter]

A large budget, lots of water and tons of high tech equipment.

[Bond_Bishop]

I think Alien vs. Predator could be great!

Read the novelisation that was amazing. Nearly in the class of Alien 1,2 and 3. Or the both Predator movies.

Want a Alien movie timeline watch this:

Alien Movie Universe Timeline

The AvP movie is set 2004. Predator 2 is set 1997 so yes, AvP is set after Pred 2

Edited by Bond_Bishop, 15 August 2004 - 08:12 PM.

[Harmsway]

I saw AVP today. What an absolutely atrocious film and an insult to both franchises. Ugh. An absolute trainwreck of a movie with worthless characters, a terrible plot line, and horrible action. What they do with the Aliens and Predators is totally inexcusable. Worst film I've seen in a good long while.

[Dunph]

So you didn't like it then?

Is it Quintilogy, Quintrilogy or Quinrilogy?

[Blofeld's Cat]

Personally, I thought they should've moved the film into relatively the same era as the ALIEN franchise. In fact I wished they could've just adapted the original Dark Horse Comic limited series to the big screen.

Last night I saw a half hour show called "Opening Night" on the Star Movies satellite/cable channel and the director said that of all the 10 or so scripts that have being around for the last 10 years had the Predators go to the Aliens environment, but he prefered to have it set on Earth instead.

I thing I found out for the first time from this show was that in Predator 2 (a movie I've seen only once) when the Glover character goes inside the Predator's ship he actually sees a skull of an Alien hanging on a wall along with others. The scene was shown in pictures, but I can't remember seeing it when I saw the movie.