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[DaveBond21]

I think Judi Dench's M in the Brosnan era was Sir Miles with a different appearance.

Actually, that's another thing. Judi Dench herself said at the Casino Royale premiere that she is playing the same person she did in the Brosnan movies.

[The Richmond Spy]

I think Judi Dench's M in the Brosnan era was Sir Miles with a different appearance.

Actually, that's another thing. Judi Dench herself said she is playing the same person she did in the Brosnan movies.

No way can both of those Judi-M's be the same M! Time to start a new thread and a new poll! If anyone votes that they are the same M, then they are nothing more than an evil 007 codename theorist!

[Mister E]

I think Judi Dench's M in the Brosnan era was Sir Miles with a different appearance.

Actually, that's another thing. Judi Dench herself said she is playing the same person she did in the Brosnan movies.

No way can both of those Judi-M's be the same M! Time to start a new thread and a new poll! If anyone votes that they are the same M, then they are nothing more than an evil 007 codename theorist!

Sorry but it was the same Dench M but it's just that she never heard of that mannequin Bond from 95-02.

[DaveBond21]

No way can both of those Judi-M's be the same M

I know, but Dench herself said that she is playing the same person. In a parallel universe, I guess?!!

[Skudor]

The poll should really have other options: is Brown:

Hargreaves as M
Messervy as M
Someone else as M

[DaveBond21]

The poll should really have other options: is Brown:

Hargreaves as M
Messervy as M
Someone else as M

True. I voted that Brown is playing a different person to Lee, but I don't mind if it's Hargreaves or a different person.

[Mr. Blofeld]

The people have spoken; Brown is playing Hargreaves, after all.

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

The line "Your predecessor kept some cognac" from GE should settle the whole thing.

[MajorB]

The line "Your predecessor kept some cognac" from GE should settle the whole thing.

Sorry, I'm not following this--settle what? All the line does is establish that Dench's M recently replaced a previous M, which we already knew. It doesn't prove whether that was Sir Miles or someone else.

Personally, I always assumed that Brown was meant to be the same M as Lee, since, as stated, there was nothing to indicate otherwise. If he was meant to be a different guy, they presumably would have done something to make that clear--f'rinstance, by not having him smoke a pipe and by giving himi different office accoutrements.

But as there's no canon-based evidence one way or the other (and I don't consider the CD-ROM as canon--the fact that Eon allowed that statement doesn't mean they considered themselves bound by it, any more than they would consider themselves irrevocably committed to every detail of the online dossier), we can choose whatever version suits us. The Hargreaves idea is fun, and I could see myself taking it up just for that reason. (Plus it does make the Bernard Lee portrait in TWINE a little easier to explain.) But my hunch is that, to the extent they thought about it, the filmmakers viewed it as casting a new actor in the same role.

[Blonde Bond]

I think Judi Dench's M in the Brosnan era was Sir Miles with a different appearance.

Yeah. Madame Miles Messervy. Wife to Sir Miles Messervy

[Double-Oh Agent]

There's no doubt in my mind--it's Adm. Miles Messervy.

Add to that the fact that Raymond Benson's The Facts Of Death has Adm. Hargreaves as a guest at Miles Messervy's dinner party only further strengthens my belief.

To say that Robert Brown's M is Adm. Hargreaves from The Spy Who Loved Me is like saying that Shane Rimmer's NASA technician in You Only Live Twice is the same character named Tom who works for Willard Whyte in Diamonds Are Forever and who ends up captaining a U.S. submarine in The Spy Who Loved Me. It's just not possible or realistic. You can't have one line of thinking without including the other. All Brown's M and Hargreaves are is an actor who's playing two different roles a la Charles Gray as Dikko Henderson in You Only Live Twice and Ernst Stavro Blofeld in Diamonds Are Forever.

Bond has had only two MI6 bosses--Miles Messervy and Barbara Mawdsley.

[Mr. Somerset]

Interesting to see this topic emerge once again. I still support the Miles Messervy theory, even though I could be persuaded by an official draft of the Octopussy script establishing him to be Hargreaves.
Either way, I did enjoy and appreciate Brown's turn as M, and strangely enough, favour his performance in Octopussy to, say LTK.

[DaveBond21]

Robert Brown always reminded me of another great British actor, Sir Michael Hordern, who voiced the kids cartoon Paddington Bair and narrated the start and end of animated movie, Watership Down.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Brown is Hargreaves; QED.

[Righty007]

Why can't this thread just be a good thread and die?

[DaveBond21]

Why can't this thread just be a good thread and die?

Because people love it too much.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

I voted for Messervy. I'm sticking to my vote until conclusive evidence that Brown's M is Hargreaves surfaces. Burden of proof is on the Brown's M is Hargreaves side of the argument.

[Mister E]

I like I said before, he is Miles. They only said in FYEO that M was on leave and returned. People are just confused because Benard Lee had the role for so long.

[Mister Asterix]

I voted for Messervy. I'm sticking to my vote until conclusive evidence that Brown's M is Hargreaves surfaces. Burden of proof is on the Brown's M is Hargreaves side of the argument.

I’ve presented solid evidence that Brown’s M is not Hargreaves, and it supports (though does not prove) that Brown’s M is Messervy. Some people don’t want to hear it though.

[dee-bee-five]

It must be autumn if this old chesnut has been brought out again for another roasting. Touchingly reassuring in a funny sort of way.

[DaveBond21]

I voted for Messervy. I'm sticking to my vote until conclusive evidence that Brown's M is Hargreaves surfaces. Burden of proof is on the Brown's M is Hargreaves side of the argument.

I’ve presented solid evidence that Brown’s M is not Hargreaves, and it supports (though does not prove) that Brown’s M is Messervy. Some people don’t want to hear it though.

I know, it's weird.

[DaveBond21]

I think it is about time we resurrected this old argument for the new guys on here.

Do you think Robert Brown played the same character in TSWLM as he did in Octopussy through to LTK, ie Admiral Hargreaves? Do you think he is a different person to Bernard Lee's M, or do you think he is the same person, Miles Messervy?

[Righty007]

This thread is a like an STD - it won't leave. Once you think you're rid of it, you're back to see the urologist the next day.

[Jim]

I think it is about time we resurrected this old argument for the new guys on here.

Do you think Robert Brown played the same character in TSWLM as he did in Octopussy through to LTK, ie Admiral Hargreaves? Do you think he is a different person to Bernard Lee's M, or do you think he is the same person, Miles Messervy?

Oh Lord, must you?

Well, bring on the brilliantly well-informed reckon of our abundance of new people.

[DaveBond21]

This thread is a like an STD - it won't leave. Once you think you're rid of it, you're back to see the urologist the next day.

And you're the one who infected us in the first place, Righty....

[Righty007]

This thread is a like an STD - it won't leave. Once you think you're rid of it, you're back to see the urologist the next day.

And you're the one who infected us in the first place, Righty....

5 years ago, sir.

[dee-bee-five]

It must be autumn if this old chesnut has been brought out again for another roasting. Touchingly reassuring in a funny sort of way.

Autumn's come a little early this year, I see... Nearly a year to the day since I wrote the above post, this tired old nonsense is trotted out for yet another another airing. Christmas can't be far away...

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

It must be autumn if this old chesnut has been brought out again for another roasting. Touchingly reassuring in a funny sort of way.

Autumn's come a little early this year, I see... Nearly a year to the day since I wrote the above post, this tired old nonsense is trotted out for yet another another airing. Christmas can't be far away...

119 days

[DaveBond21]

It must be autumn if this old chesnut has been brought out again for another roasting. Touchingly reassuring in a funny sort of way.

Autumn's come a little early this year, I see... Nearly a year to the day since I wrote the above post, this tired old nonsense is trotted out for yet another another airing. Christmas can't be far away...

It's Spring here, on Tuesday....

[Mr. Blofeld]

Never mind the season; Brown is Hargreaves, a man of all seasons!