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[Xenobia]

CB...I'd love to know your source for that quote.

IMHO, Michael Madsen is out promoting his film. At some point, on a really bad day, Pierce may have said to Michael, " it, Michael, I am done," and Madsen took that to be the final word.

I suspect though, if Brosnan is given what he wants, he won't say no.

-- Xenobia

[Qwerty]

It's all speculation, some souces being more respected than others. But when it all comes down to it, most of the time it has been: "Brosnan reports this...", "They don't know where to go...", etc..

I would hope and think, given the offer, Brosnan would do another.

[MrDraco]

This year has been for Bond, EON, Glidrose etc..ususally they take turns and this time i guess well the pressure hit, we have a rogue Brosnan using Gurrilla style tactics with the media, We have the slient stuff from EON...a Young James Bond coming to power in the books (which i'm not all that for), A Madsen who claims Brosnan is out, (turns in to Jack Ryan) which is is a good source considering they're neighbors and friends...oh i forgot, two British script writers are missing and one Austrlian actor...Eons said nothing...
(Tosses down Intelligence report and looks at Cabot and Fellow Cat)
"Everything you'd need to destory a franchise."

[MrDraco]

Just had a random thought, wouldn't it be funny if right now , Pirerce, Wade, Purvis, Wilson, Barbara, and the others are sitting at Pinewoods studios making this up from the set of Tomorrow Never Dies (the scene where Eliot Carver gets briefed on how the world is)

[Bond Bug]

Let's assume Madsen is Pierce's friend.

Would Pierce want want his friend to announce to the world that he is retiring from Bond? Doubt it.

But if Pierce wanted to make EON to get the message that he was pissed off with them taking so long to decide whether to give him 25 million plus profits for Bond 21 or not, it would make perfect sense.

I believe Brosnan is still holding off for a mega pay day.

[Moomoo]

I guess I was right all along. Well the source was from within MGM and I stated it enough times! Madsen says an Australian will play Bond. My, wonder who that will be. LOL.

The whole thing is leading up to Jackman being announced as Bond post Helsing. And Bond 21 is for summer 2006.

Eon, over to you....

Moomoo

[Qwerty]

I guess I was right all along.

Nothing gives 100% concrete evidence that this is true, and that it's done with.

[Moomoo]

True, nothing is 100% concrete but why would Madsen say this stuff if he wasn't sure?

Everything about Madsen's comments are consistent with:

Brosnan asking for too much money and being told no.
Brosnan being, and I quote, 'bought out' of the role - which means a golden parachute deal by which MGM fund smaller budget Dreamtime films in exchange for Brosnan giving up Bond.
An Australian in the role - Hugh Jackman is the only Australian candidate.

As for Tarantino and Bond - MGM could bankroll a big budget Bond film with Jackman in the lead and 'crazy Quentin' as the director. It has fascinating potential. If Kill Bill Volumes 1 and 2 make enough profit, I guess MGM would consider it. The appeal of Bond and the cult appeal of Tarantino might be too tempting for MGM to ignore. I'm sure they can persuade Eon to go with it if the producers make a big enough cut from the profits. I don't believe MGM would want to make a low budget Bond film - less return. Big budget should equal big profits. Tarantino on a big budget Casino Royale, and well, anything is possible.

I'd rather some English screenwriter(s) helped Tarantino on the screenplay. He is too immersed in American pop culture to be the only screenwriter for the job. Let's face it, QT is about as far removed from Ian Fleming as you can get.

As for Pierce, well, I have no sympathy for him if he's priced himself out of the role. Sorry to sound uncaring but the reality is he most likely asked for too much cash and MGM said no. Bit of a sad way to go, but hey, that's Hollywood for you.

Moomoo

[Qwerty]

True, nothing is 100% concrete but why would Madsen say this stuff if he wasn't sure?

But then this brings up the point, if you say Brosnan is out for sure, why would it not have been mentioned yet, either by Brosnan himself, or the producers?

Nothing is for sure yet, so people can only say what they believe, think, or think they know.

[Moomoo]

I have given the reasons. MGM want Everything Or Nothing to sell enough units before Jackman is announced. Everything or Nothing has Brosnan as Bond. No point having the ex-Bond as the star of the new Bond game. Wouldn't be good business sense. Once the game is dropping down the charts, MGM/Eon can press forward with an annoucement.

Plus, the best time to announce Jackman is just after Van Helsing opens (and hopefully is a success). Maybe next month or early June we will get official confirmation.

Moomoo

[Qwerty]

I respect your thoughts and opinions, which are very in depth, but I believe Brosnan will be back in the next Bond film, whenever it will come, which will hopefully be sometime soon.

[Moomoo]

"I respect your thoughts and opinions, which are very in depth, but I believe Brosnan will be back in the next Bond film, whenever it will come, which will hopefully be sometime soon."


I'm afraid that is very unlikely.

Brosnan has publicly slated the franchise. I know some people think it was brave of Brosnan to say the things he did, but it wasn't if he wanted to play Bond again. That's the point. Brosnan thinks he was clever in saying it's up to the producers to call him. In one way it was, because if Brosnan is out Eon can't say Brosnan was tired of the role and wanted new challenges. Of course Madsen has now got in on the act and mudded the waters by stating Brosnan is "tired" of Bond. Well, he is a friend of Brosnan so he's hardly going to say Pierce asked for too much money!

Eon and MGM must be well and truly fed up with Madsen and Brosnan coming out with all this stuff. I think Madsen has now kissed goodbye any chance he had to reappear in Bond 21. As I wrote in a previous post, Madsen would not say these things if he didn't believe they were genuine. Saying Brosnan is out is major news. He can't turn around and say, "oops... er... I was wrong." Madsen has stated clearly - "now that Pierce is out of the Bond picture."

I cannot predict the future but it's fair to say there is momentum moving to that day when Eon announces to the world that Brosnan is out. Madsen's comments are proof of this.

Moomoo

[Qwerty]

I'm afraid that is very unlikely.

Brosnan has publicly slated the franchise. I know some people think it was brave of Brosnan to say the things he did, but it wasn't if he wanted to play Bond again. That's the point. Brosnan thinks he was clever in saying it's up to the producers to call him.

That I firmly do not agree with, at all.

He's not slating the franchise, and I don't think he was trying to be clvera about it at all. What he has said so far, and how I am interpreting it, is that he said what is going on, and what the public knows, but he has not turned against the franchise.

If you believe Brosnan is gone for good, that's fine, but I won't believe it until the final word is said.

[Moomoo]

I'm afraid it's naive to think Brosnan would say the franchise is in paralysis out of genuine concern. It was resentment at being denied his large fee that fuelled his comments. You only have to have a limited understanding of human nature to figure that out.

Moomoo

[Qwerty]

Next time, when I need someone else to tell me I have 'a limited understanding', I'll ask for it Moomoo.

Until then, you believe what you think, which I did not condemn as foolish or naive, I just merely disagreed with. I'll believe what I think.

[SPECTRE ASSASSIN]

I can't believe this !. Excuse my language. I've read the article, and Pierce Brosnan doesn't want to do his last one? I don't blame him. I blame Barbara Broccoli and Mikey Wilson, who don't know what to do with the series! I felt like the producers are betraying Brosnan. Pierce has lifted the series from the ground up ever since GOLDENEYE, and now they do this to him. I am not saying all this is true, but this is betrayal to me!

The same thing happened in 1980 when Roger Moore refused to do another Bond after learning Cubby was testing other actors. Same thing now? Is that why Brosnan is quitting? I just heard earlier from a news story that Brosnan was signed to a new Bond deal. Is that bullcrap or what?

Just sign Brosnan for one more, Barbara and Michael! He lifted your daddy's series from the pits!

[Moomoo]

Sorry, didn't mean to insult or patronise you. I just think people should not take every comment Brosnan has made about Eon's paralysis at face value. If you question why he is saying the things he is saying, you'll find some deeper motivation at work.

You may wish to ignore the following, but trust me, it is true - Brosnan would not make these comments if he'd just signed up for Bond 21. That is the truth whether you want to believe it or not. So his comments are designed for another purpose, and that purpose is to discredit the franchise. I know people will chose to ignore this fact, but it's the truth. If you think there is great loyalty in the movie business you are mistaken. It's dog eat dog.

Moomoo

[SPECTRE ASSASSIN]

I'm not offended MooMoo! The movie business is a bitch!

[Qwerty]

I'm not offended MooMoo! The movie business is a bitch!

Spectre_Assassin, I don't believe Moomoo was talking to you, but to me with that post.

It's fine Moomoo, and it's quite obvious that you are determined in your thought that Brosnan is done, which is fine. All I'm really saying is that I think it's fair to see what happens when the real word comes, and not what others are saying.

[SPECTRE ASSASSIN]

Well sorrry Qwerty! You don't have to go all ape wild on SPECTRE ASSASSIN!

[Qwerty]

OKay, exactly why do you get the feeling that I was going 'ape wild'?

All I was doing was explaining that Moomoo had said something that I disagreed with, and he disagrees with the idea I have.

That's all.

[Dmitri Mishkin]

This is a very dubious source, in essence a tabloid paper, as pointed out by John007 and others.

The newspaper of record in Toronto is the Toronto Star, hardly the Sun. Also, the article states that Kill Bill Vol I is being released. It's the 2nd volume of Kill Bill that is being promoted, as we all know. Imaginative fluff, but nothing here really genuine.

Next, please.

Edited by Dmitri Mishkin, 06 April 2004 - 10:44 PM.

[daman3755]

Now I'm sure, this is the end of the James Bond franchise.
First we have Young James Bond books now australian actor.

The End

So if Hugh Jackman were to take over, then the series would be over with? I highly doubt it. He's a very bankable actor and isn't quite young. If memory serves me correctly, isn't he about to turn 35? Lest you all forget, Connery began making HIS first run when he was in his early '30s. What other Australian actor could replace him...and no, not that guy who does that mop commercials (with the wallaby in the kitchen)! I'm sitting on this one, who knows. Frankly, my focus is on that new Batman movie Chris Nolan is making, and get this - Bruce Wayne is British, not English. Saw the first images with Bale dressed up as Wayne and dangit he looks like he's in the new Bond movie. If Jackman has been signed (which is possible - he's got a clean slate for the moment and he'd most likely jump at the chance to play Bond) then fine, but if it's a jo blo then NO.

...just as long as Bond 21 is FAR off from "Die Another Day" I'll be a happy boy.

[neversaynever]

[quote name='daman3755' date='6 April 2004 - 22:44']I'm sitting on this one, who knows.

Edited by neversaynever, 06 April 2004 - 10:57 PM.

[daman3755]

Pardon me, I forgot the usage of the word "English." I meant American...why did I say English? Sorry, had a brain . I meant Bruce Wayne is no longer American. (Now THERE'S a movie I'm worried about majorly.)

[Moomoo]

If MGM are really desperate, they could always do a deal with Warner and make a Bond/Batman team-up movie. Heh.

(I am joking - I think) Eek.

Moomoo

[Prav_007]

Wasn't Madsen in that horrible, wasta-money, flick with desperate actor that acts in pretty lame movies called My Bosses Daughter?

If he was, I wouldn't believe Micheal.

[JimmyBond]

CASINO ROYALE, directed by Quentin Tarantino and starring Pierce Brosnan and (presumably as Felix Leiter) Michael Madsen?

Well, that certainly isn't the worst Bond-related idea we've read about this week. Heck, it beats "Young James Bond" hands down.

Quite the contrary Loomis, if we ever want the Bond series to get back on track, this is the only way to go. For years the producers have been saying the next film will shake up the formula. And for years all we've been getting is a little mix up of the formula with the same stale ingredients.

I say get Tarantino in there as writer/director. Get Brosnan on board for his final film, and sign Madsen up as Leiter (wouldnt be the first time an actor played a different character in a Bond film).

This is the way to go, this is the way to save the series.

[Moomoo]

Yeah, this Tarantino angle has MAJOR POTENTIAL. I don't think PB will be back (and I'm not saying that because some of you think I hate him), I just think MGM have let him go. So Hugh Jackman will be the guy in this new Bond film.

I know some people have commented about Tarantino, and not everyone likes his style, but let's face it, he is probably the one true mainstream movie director in Hollywood who is also a maverick. He does what he wants but aims it at a mainstream audience. He is just the guy for Bond 21. I think it would be so exciting to see a Quentin Tarantino Bond film. The guy really wants to make a Bond film. Come on MGM/Eon - this is too good a chance to waste.

I bet they choose some old British of a director instead. Geez.

Moomoo

[JimmyBond]

Yeah, this Tarantino angle has MAJOR POTENTIAL. I don't think PB will be back (and I'm not saying that because some of you think I hate him), I just think MGM have let him go. So Hugh Jackman will be the guy in this new Bond film.

I don't know Moomoo, part of this campaign from Tarantino does involve Brosnan. He has after all been talking with the guy. Though I won't be broken up if Brosnan isnt back. To me it's about the film, not the actor. I really believe Tarantino can make the film everyone wants, to think that he'd just make a blood bath is narrow minded, the guy knows the Bond series has some parameters to follow.

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