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[Matt_13]

 

I don't think the box office is a good success indicator. When you see the top 10 of the list, most of them are recent movies released in 3D, because the price of a 3D movie ticket (or IMAX) is mostoften more expansive thant an other (it is the case in France). Moreover because of the inflation, one billion in 60's is not comparable with a billion today, as said RMc.

 

The better way to know what is a successful movie is the number a tickets sold.

 

Excellent point, I'd forgotten the IMAX premium for SF. If we could get hold of accurate ticket sales figures, that'd be the best comparison.

 

I guess the most accurate way would be to compare the average number of tickets sold per cinema/theater? That might take into account greater accessibility to the silver screen?

 

In the Skyfall Box Office thread, I'm pretty sure these issues have been addressed. If I remember correctly, I believe Skyfall sold more tickets than Thunderball, making it without doubt the most successful Bond of all time.

 

Very happy the rumor mill has started up again.

[Shrublands]

I don't think the box office is a good success indicator. When you see the top 10 of the list, most of them are recent movies released in 3D, because the price of a 3D movie ticket (or IMAX) is mostoften more expansive thant an other (it is the case in France). Moreover because of the inflation, one billion in 60's is not comparable with a billion today, as said RMc.

 

The better way to know what is a successful movie is the number a tickets sold.

 

Actually, Skyfall's box office tops the 60s Bond films even when they are adjusted for inflation.

[S K Y F A L L]

I wonder if as many children seen Bond as they do now...and does population growth or the number of theaters ever get taken into account as well in terms of box office? 

[graric]

I wonder if as many children seen Bond as they do now...and does population growth or the number of theaters ever get taken into account as well in terms of box office? 

If we took that into account we would have to take into account the growth of television/ Internet/ Home Videos etc to also take into account why film's are no longer the dominant entertainment form they were in the 60's: more people does not necessarily equal more people going to films (not only were there less media forms to distract them with, but people went to watch the films they enjoyed in cinema multiple times because they didn't know if they ever had another opportunity to watch the films...there was never the option of just 'waiting for the DVD.')

There are so many variables and cultural shifts that it isn't really possible to compare the two different eras in cinema: but just viewing Skyfall in it's own terms, it is the first time in decades that a Bond film has been the second highest grossing film of the year (which according to Wikipedia last happened in 1964, when Goldfinger was the second highest grossing film of the year...in 1965 Thunderball was Third-highest grossing.) Skyfall then is clearly on a simillar level to these previous Bond films, in terms of contemporary cinema...It's the first genuinely huge hit Bond has had in awhile, making it feel like a cinematic event rather than just another film. 

[Hockey Mask]

I had a feeling this was going to happen.  Now that we're going to be stuck with Skyfall 2, I at least hope that Logan is able to deliver a better script than Purvis and Wade.

I'm not even really sure how to take this.  Is this supposed to be a knock against Skyfall?  Skyfall was huge at the box office so "Skyfall 2" was inevitable no matter who was the director.  Of course they were going to try and replicate the success.  Until it fails, this is the new Bond formula.  Don't like it? Better grab your DVDs.

[seawolfnyy]

 

I love what Mendes brought to and did for the franchise. He made Bond appealing to the masses and turned it into a phenomenon. I welcome his return. However, if it means another long delay, then let him commit to his stage efforts and bring him back when the time is right and now just to cash in on Skyfall's success. The thing is, it took Bond 50 years to break the $1 billion mark. It's possible that Skyfall stuck lightning in a bottle and even bringing back most of its crew won't replicate it's success.

 

You might be interested to know:

 

Bond broke $1 billion way back in the 60s, with Thunderball (and depending on your source, Goldfinger). This is, of course, adjusting for inflation, which is the best way to compare the box office performance of each actor's era, I think. If we do that, then Craig is definitely the most popular Bond after Connery

I did know that. However, it only breaks $1 billion due to inflation adjustment. By those rules, Gone With the Wind is the highest grossing film of all-time at over $3.3 billion. I agree that ticket sales are more indicative, however, my point is more like Casino Royale made Bond popular again and made many forget Pierce in lieu of Craig, but it still made barely half of what Skyfall did.

[Odd Jobbies]

Interesting to see Nicolas Winding Refn's name mentioned in the article. I've been throwing his name around on here for a while, but didn't think it at all a mainstream idea, so it's very promising to see the MSM embracing the notion.

 

It's great news that Mendes could be doing 24/25 back to back and without the 50th anniversary pressures to crowbar a few inconsistent homages into the the script i think his next could surpass the high quality of Skyfall.

 

But the thought that at some point in the future there could be a Nicolas Winding Refn Bond movie is very tantalising.

Edited by Odd Jobbies, 01 June 2013 - 12:20 PM.

[Royal Dalton]

Thomas Newman will be pleased. David Arnold, not so much.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Thomas Newman will be pleased. David Arnold, not so much.

 

[Mr. A Martin]

Mendes back for 24 & 25? ugh! which molar did Q put the cyanide in!

[S K Y F A L L]

I wonder, if Mendes and Logan already have a story underway if they are considering actors yet or am I getting a head of myself? When is Mendes done with playing Phantom of The Opera? 

 

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I voted; Good News cause Mendes can write the wrongs of SF. I want to try and stay positive about it. Most things that bugged me about SF were easy fixes. 

Edited by S K Y F A L L, 02 June 2013 - 01:49 AM.

[sharpshooter]

I love Skyfall, but waiting around years and years for Mendes would be silly IMO. By the time they would have waited a film could've been made. And if Mendes is ready by then, good. 

[GeirDM]

Don't know if this is known here on CBn but in an interview with the Norwegian newspaper VG, Norwegian director Morten Tyldum (Hodejegerne - Headhunters) claimed Sam Mendes was already hired as director on 24. The newspaper said that EON hadn't confirmed that and his reply was : No of course they haven't. According to the article, Broccoli and Wilson wanted to know if Tyldum would be available as a director the next few years, and more importantly he had received (an early treatment of) a script for Bond24.

 

Source: http://www.vg.no/fil...?artid=10103890

[Dustin]

Interesting how this is now reported as already being a done deal. If so it probably involved little actual negotiations, the main line being 'whatever - get back!'

[JohnnyWalker]

Don't know if this is known here on CBn but in an interview with the Norwegian newspaper VG, Norwegian director Morten Tyldum (Hodejegerne - Headhunters) claimed Sam Mendes was already hired as director on 24. The newspaper said that EON hadn't confirmed that and his reply was : No of course they haven't. According to the article, Broccoli and Wilson wanted to know if Tyldum would be available as a director the next few years, and more importantly he had received (an early treatment of) a script for Bond24.

 

Source: http://www.vg.no/fil...?artid=10103890

This reminds reminds me of John Woo saying he'd love to direct Expendables 3 before they announce a little know Australian director instead. I'd love this Headhunters was a nuts little Coen/Hitchcock thriller.

[Vauxhall]

The way Mike Fleming and Baz are talking, I’d say this is a done deal, Mike was the first to know about Mendes back before Skyfall and Baz’s track record is very strong.

I'd missed Baz chiming in on Mendes. Certainly are very strong names giving credence to this!

[007jamesbond]

I hope we can get some kind of press release on who the director is in the next few months......I sure they could start some shooting without the director.....Alex Witt or whoever is in the role could do some of the actions first and the Mendes could come in later.....

 

I don't think Daniel have any new movie beside Bond 24 so he is free.....but is the script finish or not? 

[Leon]

Good news! Skyfall was by far the best directed and shot Bond movie for a long time and especially with the ending on the new HQ vintage offices I really want to see them retained and have an eloquent transition back to a classic formula Bond spy thriller. Plenty of action of course, but mostly built to and saved for the third act. The only aspect of Skyfall that bugged me was the fact it had to put on that extra show for the anniversary. Without that nonsense and with the very solid foundation that was Skyfall to move forward from I think an even more special Bond film could happen, both with the modern polish and effects people like and with a very competent ability to bring alive the great classic feel and character interaction of the original Connery pictures (I feel).

We could see Bond's apartment again - having had his last one sold off in Skyfall he'd have a new place and a perfectly natural reason for it to appear in the film. But I digress.

I sincerely hope Mendes gets the job - I've actually rather missed a bit more of that coherence of directing between Bond films. It doesn't have to be much, but just one more from Mendes would be great for the series.

[Walecs]

Bad news because that means no David Arnold.

 

I'd rather have Marc Forster instead. (I can't believe I really said it).

Edited by Walecs, 03 June 2013 - 05:00 PM.

[SecretAgentFan]

I´m sure some would prefer Michael Forster as well.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Glad because no David Arnold means none of barrage of sounds he brings. Newman's score was fantastic.

[Sir Godfrey]

Do you mean Marc Forster ?

[RMc2]

Glad because no David Arnold means none of barrage of sounds he brings. Newman's score was fantastic.

 

Newman's score was excellent; but I'd take David Arnold's barrage any day. He's the best Bond composer since John Barry.

[x007AceOfSpades]

 

Glad because no David Arnold means none of barrage of sounds he brings. Newman's score was fantastic.

 

He's the best Bond composer since John Barry.

 

 

[Sir Godfrey]

Is an association Arnold/ Newman possible like Zimmer/Newton Howard in Batman ? I find they are very complementary. Skyfall's score is fantastic, it just misses some repetitive melodies through the album : Arnold (and John Barry) could do that.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I always felt Newton Howard was like the third wheel for TDK. I don't think Arnold and Newman would ever work. Newman brings a very beautiful, action-y sound, whereas Arnold brings something I heard in last years summer film(s).

[sharpshooter]

If Craig is only doing two more films regardless to fulfil his contract and then that's it, I'd be ok with waiting a little longer for Mendes.

[RMc2]

Newman brings a very beautiful, action-y sound, whereas Arnold brings something I heard in last years summer film(s).

 

*ahem*

 

Newman:

 

Powell:

 

Debney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgN__jAd6fk

 

Zimmer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVzNc4ZuCZo

 

 

Newman again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDrfqYQUVRA

 

Powell again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4iZVETfdUQ

 

Arnold:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SFsnVOnZQk

 

 

Yep, Newman's work is totally unlike anything I've ever heard in a summer action thriller. 

Edited by RMc, 03 June 2013 - 03:09 PM.

[SecretAgentFan]

You are right and wrong. Yes, Newman´s score also used familiar styles. But the tracks Ace alluded to you chose to ignore.

[RMc2]

You are right and wrong. Yes, Newman´s score also used familiar styles. But the tracks Ace alluded to you chose to ignore.

 

Likewise that stands for Ace's assessment of Arnold's music. For the record, watching SF for the first time and listening to the OST afterwards, almost every track I felt like I'd heard somewhere before in the past decade. Especially the action cues.

 

Musical taste is subjective; I'm just being the kettle to your pot, Ace