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[DamnCoffee]

I wonder how this scene plays out. i'm really interested to see how Bond captures Silva to bring him back to England. It could be one of the 'unknown action sequences'. We haven't heard that much about it. Only a few shots in the trailer.

[MkB]

We do seeing Bond being manhandled before he's sit down to meet Silva. I just always assumed he gets taken capture once he and Severine land on the Island. Of course something could happen in between, but I haven't heard anything yet.

Right, but I do not necessary mean Bond has done something physical to the server room. It has not be destroyed, clearly, the wires are rather cleanish, the shelves are not upside down etc. But Bond could have posed a threat to the organization forcing Silva to clear out the servers from his island and hide them or relocate them somewhere else.

[Pussfeller]

Or this is a new site that hasn't been fully outfitted yet.

[Vauxhall]

I wonder how this scene plays out. i'm really interested to see how Bond captures Silva to bring him back to England. It could be one of the 'unknown action sequences'. We haven't heard that much about it. Only a few shots in the trailer.

I'm expecting Bond to set off a tracking device of some sort and then MI6 reinforcements to arrive. Worth bearing in mind that Silva probably plans to get captured as part of his scheme.

[Matt_13]

I wonder how this scene plays out. i'm really interested to see how Bond captures Silva to bring him back to England. It could be one of the 'unknown action sequences'. We haven't heard that much about it. Only a few shots in the trailer.

I haven't heard of any unknown action sequences. I was under the impression we knew just about all there was to know regarding the action. Istanbul, London, Macau, Scotland, Shanghai...thought that covered it.

Also something funny I just noticed. The name of the user who uploaded the MI6 agents to youtube is "vials," an anagram for Silva.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Also something funny I just noticed. The name of the user who uploaded the MI6 agents to youtube is "vials," an anagram for Silva.

Never noticed that at all haha

[JimmyBond]

I wonder how this scene plays out. i'm really interested to see how Bond captures Silva to bring him back to England. It could be one of the 'unknown action sequences'. We haven't heard that much about it. Only a few shots in the trailer.

I haven't heard of any unknown action sequences. I was under the impression we knew just about all there was to know regarding the action. Istanbul, London, Macau, Scotland, Shanghai...thought that covered it.

Perhaps it's not a full blown action sequence, but a small fist fight could fall under the radar of the publicity machine.

[Matt_13]

Possibly. From the looks of things, the action sequences will be huge this time around, and we've only seen a very small fragment of them. Hopefully there's one more stunt that we haven't seen yet.

[JimmyBond]

I wonder how action packed the assualt on Skyfall Lodge will be. We've only seen glimpses of it in the trailers, and I'm sure there's more to it than just Bond fireing a machine gun for a while.

[The Shark]

I wonder how action packed the assualt on Skyfall Lodge will be. We've only seen glimpses of it in the trailers, and I'm sure there's more to it than just Bond fireing a machine gun for a while.

Well, there's shots of henchman falling through ice, Silva attempting to strangle Bond underwater, Bond firing a shotgun, Bond running with oil cans (from the DBS) into the kitchen etc.

[DamnCoffee]

Well I've heard the London chase sequence takes part in the middle of the film. So Bond and M must get to Scotland not long after that. Let's just say the movie is 2 and a half hours (Whch has been rumoured), so the Lodge scenes could go on for a good 50 minutes.

M wakes in DB5 in Scotland during Scene 137 and the London Rooftop Scene is 172. So that's a good 34 scenes in Scotland. (Probably less) . The Lodge Attack is Scene 47 onwards. I'm just guessing here, but I'm thinking the Lodge attack probably will be around 20 - 25 minutes.

[x007AceOfSpades]

2 and a half hours sound just about right to me.

[AMC Hornet]

AFAIC, the longer the better.

TB, OHMSS, LTK, CR - all classics, taking the time to tell a proper story.

After a four-year wait since the blipvert that was QoS, I wouldn't mind if they made SF a two-parter like HPATDH.

What, too many acronyms?

[thecasinoroyale]

AMC, WTF?!

LOL.


Well...I do agree, Bond isn't in it for Academy Awards, and I think we know the billions of fans of the franchise also love a good story and I too would back a decent length for a meaty script with plenty of time to devlop characters and pace the action, as you say like 'LTK' and even 'OHMSS'.

IMO.

[Dustin]

AFAIC, the longer the better.

TB, OHMSS, LTK, CR - all classics, taking the time to tell a proper story.

After a four-year wait since the blipvert that was QoS, I wouldn't mind if they made SF a two-parter like HPATDH.

What, too many acronyms?

Well, truth be told I'm not sold on the take-your-time approach for films any more. It's become popular for adaptations to demand the greatest possible congruence between book and film. But both are different media and should not be convertible because they never were meant to be. Telling a story in film is fundamentally different to telling it in words. Words demand more room - and at the same time they allow for more: more character, more description, more volume. All that's meant to be told - for the greater part - in images in films. Images that are taken in by the audience in a fraction of a second.

There is a reason why Western culture arrived at an average of 90 minutes (give or take ten, or a little more) running time for the average film. It's not to match slots in pay-per-view TV or late-night-movie channels. It's because this is roughly the time the format calls for to do a proper job when telling a proper story. That doesn't mean you can't exceed this limit, but to do so calls also for the proper content: an epic storyline, sprawling landscapes and teeming cities peopled with exotic folk, or both for example. Otherwise a film can quickly feel overlong for not providing the necessary contents. I wouldn't cut a second from LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, but I could actually do with less QOS. And CR is already tempting me. I'm not a closet-Craig's-not-Bond-nutcase but to me the story could been told with a little less concern for the sensibilities of the explosion-per-minute audience. I grant that it is a modern classic now, but that's not due simply to running time.

[AMC Hornet]

Less QoS? How about a few more seconds here and there during the fights & chases so that we can almost follow what's going on, and a little more narrative flow - taking time to explain some of the leaps in logic that we have to take for granted or try to figure out for ourselves once the lights come up and our heads stop spinning?

I have to disagree with your explanation for the trend towards 90-minute movies, Mr. D - I don't think it's so much about being the correct length of time it takes to tell a proper story, as it is about modern - meaning young - audiences having shorter attention spans.

Many say CR was too long. So, let's not dawdle with the next one. Then many more say QoS was too short. Poor BB & MGW, trying to please everyone. Perhaps they will just hit the 2-hour mark this time and brace for an equal number of complaints from both camps.

[Dustin]

Less QoS? How about a few more seconds here and there during the fights & chases so that we can almost follow what's going on, and a little more narrative flow - taking time to explain some of the leaps in logic that we have to take for granted or try to figure out for ourselves once the lights come up and our heads stop spinning?

But the actual story - what story there is - is really quite simple: Bond is obsessed with Vesper's treachery. He follows the trail of the money, stumbles into an ongoing scheme of the money's recipient, teams up with an obvious enemy of this guy and together they sabotage the scam and Bond gets information from the man which leads him finally to Ahmed (was that the name???). If you think of it in TSWLM-terms Greene translates to Fekkesh and Ahmed (provided that was his name) to Stromberg. All the action around it is just icing to hide the fact the third act is mostly missing.

And for two acts QOS is too long for my tastes. I've seen it a number of times now and it really drags a little. Could do with one action fest less, methinks.

I have to disagree with your explanation for the trend towards 90-minute movies, Mr. D - I don't think it's so much about being the correct length of time it takes to tell a proper story, as it is about modern - meaning young - audiences having shorter attention spans.

So take a look at the good old serials of the 30s and 40s. Usually around an hour long. Yet they didn't feel hurried or cut-to-size (although that's probably what happened more often than not). Of course the stories told therein had a different rhythm and an assortment of two-dimensional characters that didn't need more than basic characterisation. But the stories worked still. Same with TV productions, you just have to adapt to the format but a good story doesn't always have to be two hours long to shine. Mind you, it's certainly nice when they do, but the crucial element isn't always plain running time here.

Many say CR was too long. So, let's not dawdle with the next one. Then many more say QoS was too short. Poor BB & MGW, trying to please everyone. Perhaps they will just hit the 2-hour mark this time and brace for an equal number of complaints from both camps.

If they tried to please everyone they'd probably already have given up. I suppose they just try to do the best job they can, with what they feel is the best direction for the series in their view.

Edited by Dustin, 26 August 2012 - 10:14 PM.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I liked CR running length, QOS needed to be no more than 2hours. I hope Skyfall hits the 2 Hour 30 minute mark, and hopefully it's not boring like The Dark Knight Rises.

[tdalton]

Less QoS? How about a few more seconds here and there during the fights & chases so that we can almost follow what's going on, and a little more narrative flow - taking time to explain some of the leaps in logic that we have to take for granted or try to figure out for ourselves once the lights come up and our heads stop spinning?

But the actual story - what story there is - is really quite simple: Bond is obsessed with Vesper's treachery. He follows the trail of the money, stumbles into an ongoing scheme of the money's recipient, teams up with an obvious enemy of this guy and together they sabotage the scam and Bond gets information from the man which leads him finally to Ahmed (was that the name???). If you think of it in TSWLM-terms Greene translates to Fekkesh and Ahmed (provided that was his name) to Stromberg. All the action around it is just icing to hide the fact the third act is mostly missing.

I think there's more to QUANTUM OF SOLACE's story than that. Yes, Bond is upset about Vesper, and maybe in the fight scenes he takes some of that out on those that he's fighting, but I'd hardly say that he's obsessed with it either. I think the obsession angle that exists in the film is that M, Tanner, and whoever else think that Bond is obsessed with avenging Vesper, when he's really more focused on exposing the Quantum organization. I think that if Bond were truly obsessed with finding Yusef, he would have gone directly after him, using the photograph he pocketed from M's file as a means to begin the process of tracking him down. Instead, he stays on the trail of Greene, methodically working his way through the various people standing between him and Greene until he comes face to face with him in Bolivia. I think that if the story was solely about Bond's obsession with finding Yusef, he might have simply renditioned Greene out of Bolivia and interrogated him until he got the information that he wanted. Instead, he takes the time follow Greene around the globe, expose other higher-ups within Quantum for the traitors that they are, and stop Greene's plot to take over the water supply in Bolivia before taking the time to get the information that he wants on a personal level.

[Dustin]

Well, I oversimplified a bit for the sake of my point, true...

[AMC Hornet]

I think that if Bond were truly obsessed with finding Yusef, he would have gone directly after him, using the photograph he pocketed from M's file as a means to begin the process of tracking him down. Instead, he stays on the trail of Greene, methodically working his way through the various people standing between him and Greene until he comes face to face with him in Bolivia. I think that if the story was solely about Bond's obsession with finding Yusef, he might have simply renditioned Greene out of Bolivia and interrogated him until he got the information that he wanted. Instead, he takes the time follow Greene around the globe, expose other higher-ups within Quantum for the traitors that they are, and stop Greene's plot to take over the water supply in Bolivia before taking the time to get the information that he wants on a personal level.

You just described the process that Bond had to go through in order to identify and get to Greene, rendition him and interrogate him about Yusef.

If the film had gone the way you described, it would have only been half-an-hour long - not what I pay $12.00 to see.

So, some filler was needed...

[tdalton]

I think that if Bond were truly obsessed with finding Yusef, he would have gone directly after him, using the photograph he pocketed from M's file as a means to begin the process of tracking him down. Instead, he stays on the trail of Greene, methodically working his way through the various people standing between him and Greene until he comes face to face with him in Bolivia. I think that if the story was solely about Bond's obsession with finding Yusef, he might have simply renditioned Greene out of Bolivia and interrogated him until he got the information that he wanted. Instead, he takes the time follow Greene around the globe, expose other higher-ups within Quantum for the traitors that they are, and stop Greene's plot to take over the water supply in Bolivia before taking the time to get the information that he wants on a personal level.

You just described the process that Bond had to go through in order to identify and get to Greene, rendition him and interrogate him about Yusef.

If the film had gone the way you described, it would have only been half-an-hour long - not what I pay $12.00 to see.

So, some filler was needed...

The "filler" being what shows that Bond is not obsessed with finding Yusef to the degree that he would endanger the prospects of uncovering more about Quantum. The point being that if Bond had been obsessed with finding Yusef, the film would have been incredibly short, and the organization would have gotten away (or at least been left largely uncovered as Yusef couldn't have possibly had as much information about it as Greene). The fact that he actually takes the time to work his way through the organization, exposing higher-ups (Haines, etc) in the organization in the process, shows that any obsession he may have had (I'm not sure that he did, though) would have been with Quantum as a whole rather than simply with Yusef.

[DamnCoffee]

Just checked 'Skyfall' on Twitter and there's LOADS, and I mean LOADS of posts going 'NEW SKYFALL TRAILER OH MY GOD" and they've just supplied a link to the Theatrical that was released in July. I mean, have they been hiding under a rock or something?

[Shrublands]

Just checked 'Skyfall' on Twitter and there's LOADS, and I mean LOADS of posts going 'NEW SKYFALL TRAILER OH MY GOD" and they've just supplied a link to the Theatrical that was released in July. I mean, have they been hiding under a rock or something?

How very interesting, the end of the summer holidays perhaps, I don't know.
But the full trailer has a fraction of the hits that the teaser had on You Tube - perhaps it will catch up now.

[Vauxhall]

Odd. Also strange that Apple still only have the teaser trailer on their SKYFALL page. That should give another bump at some point.

[DamnCoffee]

Anyone noticed the shot at the end of the theatrical, that shows Bond and Severine(?) kissing in what looks like a darkened room in a run down house? It looks rough, like he's kissing her against the wall, and her legs are wrapped around his waste. Any idea where this scene fits in? The only thing I can think is that Bond goes twice after the shower scene.

[MattofSteel]

I don't think that's Severine. I believe Bond's "enjoying death" at that point.

Also: I have never, ever understood the complaints about CR's running time. It's the best Bond film since the early Connery installments, and we only get one every few years - at that point, every 3 or 4! Why wouldn't you want the largest dose of Bond possible?

If every Bond movie was 4 hours, I wouldn't complain. If we want to complain about oversaturation, tell them to stop releasing a subpar video game every year, wait two, and make a great one.

[DamnCoffee]

He's enjoying more than death, by the looks of it.

Thanks for clearing that up!

[Vauxhall]

Yes, I can confirm that's Tania Sotiropoulou's character (helpfully referred to as "beautiful woman" on the filming schedule) that's being given Bond's attention at the end of the trailer. The scene is set in a beachside hut along the Turkish coast.

[PPK_19]

Apple have finally added the full trailer for Skyfall to their page if anyone is interested: http://trailers.appl...ctures/skyfall/