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[00Twelve]

Amazing trailers, both.

I'm in agreement with whomever said it a couple of pages back, about Silva's plan to get M being a little reminiscent of Joker in TDK. I do hope that it doesn't resemble that film's tone/plot structure too closely, lest we get a backlash from the fanboys. "First Bourne, now Batman!" and all that rubbish. Eff that.

What's most striking to me here is easily Deakins' work. This physically looks like a Bond movie unlike just about any that has come before. I don't want to try to compare it to Freddie Young's spectacular work, only because it's apples and oranges, but I feel like there's a legitimacy to the real world tone and scope of this movie that owes quite a bit to Deakins' lensing.

[Leon]

Amazing trailers, both.

I'm in agreement with whomever said it a couple of pages back, about Silva's plan to get M being a little reminiscent of Joker in TDK. I do hope that it doesn't resemble that film's tone/plot structure too closely, lest we get a backlash from the fanboys. "First Bourne, now Batman!" and all that rubbish. Eff that.

What's most striking to me here is easily Deakins' work. This physically looks like a Bond movie unlike just about any that has come before. I don't want to try to compare it to Freddie Young's spectacular work, only because it's apples and oranges, but I feel like there's a legitimacy to the real world tone and scope of this movie that owes quite a bit to Deakins' lensing.

Absolutely agree on all points made. I will add that while there is some element of that recent Batman style, this also looks very much like classic James Bond. This seems to possess a really strong blend of Bond humour and luxurious adventure which is something that Batman never has.

I also think that the score and title song will really have a strong impact on the overall feel of the film. It's got to have the same fresh yet elegant and classic strength, and veer away from the low vibrato strings and drawn out rolling drum styles that I felt were the Nolan Batman films signature. No doubt Newman is incorporating some subtle electonica elements, but it will really need the classic bold, raw brass and dirty electric guitar. Newman could also, for example, compose something great with the soft woodwind and style from parts of the Thunderball score, or even give an awesome modern edge to the 007 theme, still yet to be used since OHMSS. What better opportunity to give it a triumphant return than the 50th anniversary film!

[Marketto007]

Here's a new official editing of the trailer, it's callled IMAX BRANDED on the Sony EPK. There's some new footage, new music in the begining and is the same as the DUTCH trailer.



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[Matt_13]

Love the extended train bit. So casual. A few new shots of Hashima, the lodge battle, and the isolation chamber. Cool stuff.

[SkyfallCraig]

What if M is Silva's mother? I mean, he says "mummy was very bad". Maybe that Mummy is not only a general indication of uk or M, but an indication that M is his mother.

[DamnCoffee]

"Mommy was very bad" is Silvas way of mocking Bond, over the fact that M has been the main figure of authority during the past 2 films, and has acted like his mother. That's all.

Edited by Mharkin, 04 August 2012 - 03:02 PM.

[Vauxhall]

"Mommy was very bad" is Silvas way of mocking Bond, over the fact that M has been the main figure of authority during the past 2 films, and has acted like his mother. That's all.

I agree, but would add that I don't think we can rule out that she may well have similarly acted as a mother figure for Silva too at some point. "This is what she made us."

[MkB]

Or M is actually Bond's mother, who faked her own death when he was a kid to be free from family ties before entering SIS. And we're in for a...

- James... I... am... your... mother!
- Noooooo!

... sort of scene.

















PS: yeah, in case you're wondering, I'm kidding

[Dustin]

Or M is actually Bond's mother, who faked her own death when he was a kid to be free from family ties before entering SIS. And we're in for a...

- James... I... am... your... mother!
- Noooooo!

... sort of scene.

















PS: yeah, in case you're wondering, I'm kidding

I could live with that. Imagine she said
'James, I am your father!'...

[MkB]

I could live with that. Imagine she said
'James, I am your father!'...

Ah, I didn't want to spoil the scene for you, but...

[Dustin]

I could live with that. Imagine she said
'James, I am your father!'...

Ah, I didn't want to spoil the scene for you, but...

Now that's going to be an anniversary. Can't wait for it...

[The Girl With The Golden Gun]

What are the chances of ie. M being revealed as Silva's mother? Of course his "mommy was very bad" line merely mocks Bond, as M either male or female has always been a parental/authority figure. In his interviews, Bardem has hinted at Silva being more than your average Bond villain... it would be a riot to have a "bond, i am your mother" type scene but i can't help feeling there will be come sort of familial link between the 3 characters or at least something very different connecting them that we've never seen before in a Bond film... hmmm!

[AMC Hornet]

What are the chances of ie. M being revealed as Silva's mother? Of course his "mommy was very bad" line merely mocks Bond, as M either male or female has always been a parental/authority figure. In his interviews, Bardem has hinted at Silva being more than your average Bond villain... it would be a riot to have a "bond, i am your mother" type scene but i can't help feeling there will be come sort of familial link between the 3 characters or at least something very different connecting them that we've never seen before in a Bond film... hmmm!

Not family, but community, like 006 as the big brother gone bad, Zukovsky as the enemy turned ally, etc.

So Silva was a former asset who got 'burned' by M, and unlike Bond, has been very unforgiving about it.

He is not Bond's brother, and neither of them are M's sons. Come on, kids - save that Star Wars/soap opera mentality for the next X Men movie.

If it turned out that M is Bond's mother, then Skyfall would go down as one of the biggest, most expensive disappointments in film history, and EON knows it. Have no fear.

On the other hand, if she is and it works, someone will remember my words, and I'll be having face-shaped eggs and a side of crow for dinner, with humble pie for dessert.

[AMC Hornet]

To paraphrase Robot Chicken Star Wars:

"James, I am your mother!"
"No! That's impossible!"
"And Raoul is your brother."
"That's...implausible."
"And Q is your nephew, and your sister Eve is going to be my replacement's secretary."
"That's - ridiculous!"
(Later, over coffee and a smoke)
"...And you're the third agent 007 to be named James Bond. It's a code name ploy to cofuse the enemy...:
"Look, if you're not going to take this seriously, then I'm outta here..."

[S K Y F A L L]

I don't think they would make M, Bonds mother. IMO it would be really tacky.
And Silva as Bonds brother sounds like that episode of The Simpsons "Treehouse of Horror VII" when Bart meets his evil brother Hugo.

Anyway we learned this week or confirmed that
Kincade is connected to Bond's past. We already know Silva is connected to M's past.
And the only connection we have to connect those 2 connections is that Kincade collects old guns and Silva uses one in the trailer.

Why does Silva want to kill M or Kincade?
Why is Kincade living in Bond's old family home?
And what is the connection between Silva and Kincade?

I remember wondering if I'll ruin the film for myself by following it so closely during production however now I can't imagine any major spoilers even making it out until the films release.

[MkB]

I don't think they would make M, Bonds mother.

Did I mention that I was kidding? Oh, well...


On a different topic, am I the only one who feels uneasy about a palm recognition handgun? I've used fingerprint recognition laptops for some years now, and I would not trust the technology with my life. It happens reasonably often that you scan your finger a fraction of a second too quickly, on a wee little bit out of the right place, and it fails miserably, so you have to scan your finger again.
Now imagine this with a handgun... Even if it never failed, the split second needed for the palm recognition might cost the agent his/her life. I imagine that, on the field, there are better chances that an agent will have to use a gun in emergency, rather than chances that someone will use his/her own gun against the agent.
Seems a bit pointless, and calling for a shoehorned situation where it will be miraculously the life-saving gadget.

Discuss

[Dustin]

Re: M, mother of whoever cares. Wasn't that theme already used with TWINE and M/Elektra? Don't think there's any beef left on that bone. Oh, and I dimly seem to remember LeChiffré in the novel referring to M as 'Bond's nanny'. Apropos of nothing.

Re: signature gun. That's one of those ideas the arms industry toys with to appease calls for firearms control. It's usually forgotten within a few days, as they don't really have to fear any incidents would impair upon their profits. In Bond's world there is the added advantage of gadgets usually working perfectly fine and the nice nod towards LTK, the Bond film marking 25 years of Bond in cinema.

[JimmyBond]

Just have to correct ya there, but Living Daylights was Bond's 25th anniversary

[Dustin]

I knew something there was wrong, had the Hasselblad in the 25th while it was that Walther sniper rifle, tsk...

[Eddie Burns]

I have been following the production and have seen the trailers/posters/tv spots/ etc....my first post here in a couple of years so here goes...

After a period of letting it all sink in, I find myself impassive unfortunately. The trailer seems unbalanced in how much of the finally developed Bond I'm getting. Some scenes are very Bondian and some aren't. Craig nails his delivery of the line, he looks fit and raring to go. But some things irk me slightly, some scenes excite me. Here are my thoughts.

The 'Resurrection' line should have been delivered with a hint of a smirk or, if not that, a twinkle in the eye.

The London scenes don't look very appealing but the Scotland ones do.

Bardem looks great! I love his dialogue and his whole look, the Blond hair is a welcome surprise and gives his character a slight edge.

Fiennes...nothing else needs to be said. Great addition to the cannon.

Craig is a great Bond but he's ageing and still looks short and too buffed up to be Bond in my opinion. Strangely enough, I thought he looked fine in Casino Royale but he did look younger so maybe that's why. The adjusting the cuff thing felt too forced. It didn't feel natural, too Brosnan for my liking.

The movie seems a lot more action orientated than I had hoped, nothing really thriller like. I'm sure it will have scenes that will be memorable and have me on the edge of my seat, but I'm seriously craving a scene like the poisoning scene in CR or the stairwell fight. Scenes with tension and anticipation. Something Quantum was great at building up but terrible at delivering.

I'd like to believe Mendes gets Bond, he's had plenty of time to read the books, and watch the movies. I just hope he is going to bring something different to the series (not fast paced editing!) and whatever he brings I hope he does it well. Once again I liked the imagery that Martin Campbell introduced when Bond got poisoned and entered the bathroom to throw up. Stuff like that. Yes, SF looks lush and well shot etc...but I find such compliments irrelevant considering the money they've thrown at the movie. I wouldn't expect anything less. But that isn't enough. Bring us something new.

Severine is one hot Momma! Nice to see we are going to have some nice raunchy sex back into the movies. Mr. Bond...we have been expecting you!

Q looks alright, but I'd rather have him be more than just some computer geek. I'd like that to be one of his many talents, but who knows? Maybe there is more to see in the final product. His age isn't a problem.

Thankfully, the story seems to be more about M and her back-story than some MI2-like hunt for a missing disk with agents names on it.

The action in Turkey looks very generic. Yes it could surprise. But nothing got my attention and made me say wow. Maybe Bond falling into the water, but that's about it.

Still missing a memorable henchman. Necros puts all these guys to shame...he had his own theme! Only Bond Henchman to have one!

So overall, the trailer is not CR standard but its ok. It doesn't scream Bond with a Capital B to me and was rather run of the mill. But I wasn't too impressed with TDKR trailers and I ended up loving that movie. I'm still on the fence with this one which I think would be the best way to approach the cinemas come Fall.

Just Please...be better than QoS....please!

oops wrong forum. Meant for the Skyfall Spoiler Trailer topic

Edited by Dustin, 14 August 2012 - 01:30 PM.
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[PPK_19]

The 'Resurrection' line should have been delivered with a hint of a smirk or, if not that, a twinkle in the eye.

I have to agree with this. His eyes look dead as he delivers that line.

[The Shark]

The 'Resurrection' line should have been delivered with a hint of a smirk or, if not that, a twinkle in the eye.

I have to agree with this. His eyes look dead as he delivers that line.

Yeah. He's got the same expression as when he delivered "I've got a little itch, down there. Would you mind?"

[thecasinoroyale]

Good points Eddie, quite fair and probably what we may feel under the excitement of a new Bond film.

I have to say I also agree with the "Resurrection" line, and the cuff adjusting - a little too forced for me. I still hope we do get a very much more relaxed Bond rather than one who seems to be on the knife edge all the time, because Craig can do this, we saw it before and hope we see it again.

I also hope Mendes brings in some decent espionage moments (I think Shanghai will deliver this) as I always liked the point made around here that James Bond films turned from espionage thrillers to action-adventure films from 'Moonraker' onwards. You can't beat the thrilling moments and stealthy objectives Bond has to do, rather than become Bruce Willis for 20 minutes or so.

From the trailers and marketing, it's obviously so early to tell what we will be getting, and I am sure Mendes and crew will deliver. Just really want 'Skyfall' to work for EON, for the franchise, for the fans, for Craig and many other reasons..!

[Matt_13]

I thought he delivered the line perfectly. It's uttered with such confidence. " Resurrection." I believe he'd be a hard target to put down.

[Shrublands]

I thought he delivered the line perfectly. It's uttered with such confidence. " Resurrection." I believe he'd be a hard target to put down.

Agreed.

[Invincible1958]

The movie seems a lot more action orientated than I had hoped, nothing really thriller like.

That's the only complaint I have, too. Judging from the trailer.

I don't want this old 007-formula with 4 big action sequences, and everything else just leading up to them.
I want action when action is needed in the story. But I don't want action just to have action in the movie.

But I hope that the trailer is a little bit misleading. I hope there are scenes that don't end in everything getting blown up. Because that was the case in QOS, and that sucked. We need scenes like the train scene in CR. Bond and Vesper and a great dialogue. No henchman, no explosion ... just good old-school character development. Only if we get to know these characters, we care in the end what happens to them.

[PPK_19]

The movie seems a lot more action orientated than I had hoped, nothing really thriller like.

I don't want this old 007-formula with 4 big action sequences, and everything else just leading up to them.
I want action when action is needed in the story. But I don't want action just to have action in the movie.

I think for marketing purposes a lot of action was put into the trailer. The scenes in which Bond is swimming, jogging, trying to get his fitness back will be long and brooding, impeccably shot and acted. I can also see some nice dialogue scenes with Eve, like when she is shaving him. I have faith in Mendes and the film as a whole. They would have learned from QOS's random action sequences for no reason (boat chase anyone?)

I don't think we have a lot to worry about. Apart from Marlohe's acting. I fear Solange mark II. But i'll reserve my judgement for now.

[JimmyBond]

For what it's worth, I've heard it through the grapevine that the running time is going to be two and a half hours. Plenty of time for dialogue scenes amidst all the 'splosions.

[PPK_19]

For what it's worth, I've heard it through the grapevine that the running time is going to be two and a half hours. Plenty of time for dialogue scenes amidst all the 'splosions.

Really? Excellent! Longer than Casino Royale, and hopefully with better pacing in the second half.

[Shrublands]

I've heard the two and a half hour whisper too. The source has been correct before, for what that is worth.