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[Nicolas Suszczyk]

PB still has the best opening ever.

Agree. Have very fond memories of my first viewing of GoldenEye. His walk and turn has so much class! Besides, I loved the fact of the barrel design getting generated at the same time as he walks.

[FlemingBond]

i liked that opening shot...but the gun barrel still belongs at the beginning. and why does it look so bad. the gunbarrel in the Brosnan films looked terrific. can't they just stick Craig in that one?

[Dekard77]

FlemingBond


Nicolas Suszczyk


I know, DC's hand sticking out is completely out ! QOS one was beautiful. I wish they keep all the gun barrels at the end until Craig finishes the series…. but then again monotony isn't all that good.

[DaveBond21]

Mendes obviously wanted the movie starting with the hallway shot and didn't want to sacrifice it. So, all the power to the film maker's vision.

I think it would still be a great shot following the gunbarrel. Harkers will rustle up a gunbarrel at the beginning of Skfyall sequence for us to prove I am right. :-)

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

FlemingBond


Nicolas Suszczyk


I know, DC's hand sticking out is completely out ! QOS one was beautiful. I wish they keep all the gun barrels at the end until Craig finishes the series…. but then again monotony isn't all that good.

I think the producers wanted to use the Craig era as a laboratory rat, trying to "experiment new things": Let's put a black and white teaser then the gunbarrel and titles. Now, let's put the gunbarrel at the end with a Hollywood-esque title card and start with a zoom in trough the Lake Garda. And now let's start with Bond's silohuette sneaking around and then the gunbarrel at the end... oh look, we can add there a 50th anniversary logo!

Let's get back to basics folks! Why reshooting Craig's gunbarrel three times with different suits, poses and designs? Why not stick to one decent pose, decent suit (not the grey one), and a less basic design? Adele's commercial showed Craig's gunbarrel with Binder's design...



I was quite disappointing when I noticed the gunbarrel design was very QOS-ish :(

[x007AceOfSpades]

I was quite disappointing when I noticed the gunbarrel design was very QOS-ish :(

How so?

The gunbarrel design could have been slightly better, but other than that it was great!

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

I was quite disappointing when I noticed the gunbarrel design was very QOS-ish :(

How so?

The gunbarrel design could have been slightly better, but other than that it was great!

I want something in the style of the 1962-2002 gunbarrel, with the stylized design, not just an iris.

[mttvolcano]

I was quite disappointing when I noticed the gunbarrel design was very QOS-ish :(

How so?

The gunbarrel design could have been slightly better, but other than that it was great!

I want something in the style of the 1962-2002 gunbarrel, with the stylized design, not just an iris.

Hopefully, that was because it was at the end of the film rather than the beginning. I can't imagine a very plain gunbarrel at the beginning of the next film.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

I was quite disappointing when I noticed the gunbarrel design was very QOS-ish :(

How so?

The gunbarrel design could have been slightly better, but other than that it was great!

I want something in the style of the 1962-2002 gunbarrel, with the stylized design, not just an iris.

Hopefully, that was because it was at the end of the film rather than the beginning. I can't imagine a very plain gunbarrel at the beginning of the next film.

Perhaps. They suspected a stylized design would spare our attention from Bond in the barrel.

[delfloria]

One of the things I miss is more of a darkened silhouette of Bond himself in the circle. DC versions feel too well lit and show him off too clearly for my taste.

[Ernst Stavro Blofeld Jr.]

I don't know why they didn't use the image from the teaser poster. Someone on Youtube mocked up a version of it, and while they didn't do a great job, the design looked great. Classic but with a modern touch.

[RMc2]

I'm hoping for a more traditional opening gunbarrel

]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aRyNDnt0Lc

Yes please! SF's end-credits gunbarrell was justified, but it's now been three films since we had it at the beginning, and it really makes my spine tingle every time a Bond film begins with it.

Did anyone else notice that Craig doesn't fire his gun in the SF gunbarrell? There's only a sound effect. Also, the blood dripping down wasn't as good as CR or QoS.

[Dekard77]

FlemingBond


Nicolas Suszczyk


I know, DC's hand sticking out is completely out ! QOS one was beautiful. I wish they keep all the gun barrels at the end until Craig finishes the series…. but then again monotony isn't all that good.

I think the producers wanted to use the Craig era as a laboratory rat, trying to "experiment new things": Let's put a black and white teaser then the gunbarrel and titles. Now, let's put the gunbarrel at the end with a Hollywood-esque title card and start with a zoom in trough the Lake Garda. And now let's start with Bond's silohuette sneaking around and then the gunbarrel at the end... oh look, we can add there a 50th anniversary logo!

Let's get back to basics folks! Why reshooting Craig's gunbarrel three times with different suits, poses and designs? Why not stick to one decent pose, decent suit (not the grey one), and a less basic design? Adele's commercial showed Craig's gunbarrel with Binder's design...

http://youtu.be/A5-FINYjgqk

I was quite disappointing when I noticed the gunbarrel design was very QOS-ish :(

guess you make some valid points there. They need to decide. Having it at the end does not have the same punch. Also when are they going to introduce the title song at the end. Sick of hearing the Bond theme…. boring.

[thecasinoroyale]

My gripe is the usual thing.... the fact DC didn't fire a prop gun was a little naff, just the sound effect was used when it clealry wasn't fired, and his arm does look a little stiff out there, it doesn't look like he's finished his pose, or he's trying too hard for that "Bond" look.

Best one we've had though from DC, I just hope things are more normal in Bond 24 but I can't hold my breath.

[Dekard77]

My gripe is the usual thing.... the fact DC didn't fire a prop gun was a little naff, just the sound effect was used when it clealry wasn't fired, and his arm does look a little stiff out there, it doesn't look like he's finished his pose, or he's trying too hard for that "Bond" look.

Best one we've had though from DC, I just hope things are more normal in Bond 24 but I can't hold my breath.

Best one from DC is QOS. Looks very smooth.

Edited by Dekard77, 29 November 2012 - 11:17 AM.

[The Shark]

Best one from DC is QOS. Looks very smooth.

No way. He walks there like a toddler who's just wet his nappy.

[bonds_walther]

I had read posts about DC not firing the gun in the SF gunbarrel, so on my third viewing I was watching the sequence just for that.

Newsflash! He fires the gun. There's a muzzle flash as you hear the shot go off.

[RMc2]

I had read posts about DC not firing the gun in the SF gunbarrel, so on my third viewing I was watching the sequence just for that.

Newsflash! He fires the gun. There's a muzzle flash as you hear the shot go off.

Er, no there isn't.


DC's gun barrel firsts:

CR - first gun barrel not at the beginning of the film.
CR - first black and white gun barrel
CR - first gun barrel built into the story
QoS - first gun barrel at the end
QoS - first actor to walk off-screen in the gun barrel
QoS - shortest gun barrel
SF - first actor not to fire the prop gun

hehehe

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

CR - first black and white gun barrel

No. YOLT and DAF had the first b&w gunbarrel. It's the same of TB but in b&e.

[thecasinoroyale]

Newsflash! He fires the gun. There's a muzzle flash as you hear the shot go off.

I'm afraid there isn't, there's nothing. He just turns and points - and a muzzle wouldn't give off a flash, it would be a small smoke emittance from the barrel and recoil in his hand, as we see in Roger Moore and Timothy Dalton's quite clearly...don't think Daniel Craig has this in 'Skyfall'.

[Ernst Stavro Blofeld Jr.]

Here's the one I mentioned earlier. Its not perfectly executed, but I think it would have looked great if done properly in Skyfall (either at the beginning or end, though I'd prefer opening the film with it).

 

[Judo chop]

I think they improve upon the gunbarrel with each movie. All I can say is that it’s fine that I’ll be dead within the next 50 years because, if things continue at this rate, the awesomeness of the gunbarrel at that time would likely kill me anyway.

[thecasinoroyale]

The classic design, well paced with bold music makes the WORLD of difference - why change it? This would have worked perfectly.

[tdalton]

While I honestly could not care less whether the gunbarrel appears or not, I do have to wonder what was so special about the opening shot. There's no point of keeping it out of focus for as long as they do. It's clearly Bond in the shot, given the musical cue. It's not as though they'd waste a bar of the Bond theme on Eve or some no-named Double-oh agent.

[David Pro]

I had read posts about DC not firing the gun in the SF gunbarrel, so on my third viewing I was watching the sequence just for that.

Newsflash! He fires the gun. There's a muzzle flash as you hear the shot go off.

Er, no there isn't.

DC's gun barrel firsts:

CR - first gun barrel not at the beginning of the film.
CR - first black and white gun barrel
CR - first gun barrel built into the story
QoS - first gun barrel at the end
QoS - first actor to walk off-screen in the gun barrel
QoS - shortest gun barrel
SF - first actor not to fire the prop gun

hehehe

Also:

CR - first gun barrel where Bond doesn't perform the walk before shooting.
CR - first gun barrel to show the person Bond shoots.
SF - first gun barrel where Bond wears a grey suit instead of a black one

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Seen it for the third time. I think Mendes wanted the barrel at the beginning, and the proof is the grey suit. Why else would Bond use a grey suit in the gunbarrel sequence? Maybe his first plan was that Bond, after shooting to the audience, could walk across the screen as seen in the first scene. I mean, Bond shooting, then walking to the screen all in one shot. That'd been good, and original. Pity he opted for the end credits gunbarrel in the last minute, otherwise I'd loved Skyfall more than what I already love it.

[Double-0-Seven]

Seen it for the third time. I think Mendes wanted the barrel at the beginning, and the proof is the grey suit. Why else would Bond use a grey suit in the gunbarrel sequence? Maybe his first plan was that Bond, after shooting to the audience, could walk across the screen as seen in the first scene. I mean, Bond shooting, then walking to the screen all in one shot. That'd been good, and original. Pity he opted for the end credits gunbarrel in the last minute, otherwise I'd loved Skyfall more than what I already love it.

 

I think I see what you're saying. Bond shoots in the gun barrel, then the iris instantly opens up on Bond walking towards the camera as the shot in the movie exists. That would be have been different, but kind of neat.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

 

Seen it for the third time. I think Mendes wanted the barrel at the beginning, and the proof is the grey suit. Why else would Bond use a grey suit in the gunbarrel sequence? Maybe his first plan was that Bond, after shooting to the audience, could walk across the screen as seen in the first scene. I mean, Bond shooting, then walking to the screen all in one shot. That'd been good, and original. Pity he opted for the end credits gunbarrel in the last minute, otherwise I'd loved Skyfall more than what I already love it.

 

I think I see what you're saying. Bond shoots in the gun barrel, then the iris instantly opens up on Bond walking towards the camera as the shot in the movie exists. That would be have been different, but kind of neat.

 

 

Exactly. Would have liked that way.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

 

I had read posts about DC not firing the gun in the SF gunbarrel, so on my third viewing I was watching the sequence just for that.

Newsflash! He fires the gun. There's a muzzle flash as you hear the shot go off.

Er, no there isn't.
 

 

Just back from IMAX, my fourth and last view (equallying "Quantum of Solace"'s record).

 

Gotta agree with bonds_walther here. Bond shoots the gun. The gun flashing goes too quickly but is there indeed. Of course, you won't notice it in the phone cam screening recordings from the tube.

[MajorB]

Sorry if this has been covered in this thread already. Mendes has said that he did intend to put the gun barrel at the beginning, but when he looked at the finished film he thought that it would be too odd to have Bond turn and shoot in the gunbarrel, then open the barrel up to see him coming toward the viewer with gun in hand. So apparently he saw the similarities as a liability rather than an asset.