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[Mr.Zukovsky]

Great Job, loved it, the 2nd version sounds a little different, did you change how the bond theme starts?

Edited by Mr.Zukovsky, 25 September 2010 - 07:27 AM.

[danbeck]

Like which one? There is not too much left in Moonraker. Of course there is the "Here is to us" and the paragliding cue, but these are very short.
The freefall scene is very tempting, but 1) there is a wierd ascending line underneath that I can't figure out, and 2) it heavily depends on forceful brass, which sounds never convincing on synths.

Give me a list of what you'd like to hear!

Yes, these tracks you done were fantastic.

From Moonraker I'd like to hear, also, (in preference order):
- the slow bond theme for the scenes in the glass museum while James is following Goodhead.
- the "crematorium" short scene
Freefall would be great also, but we already have an OK version of it in that Silva compilation.

If you're taking suggestions from other films...:
From A VIEW TO A KILL
- the horse chase, when James is attempting to escape
- the Blimp approaches Stacey and the approaching the Golden Gate music

From OCTOPUSSY
- The Bond arrives in India music
- The Auction finale
- The short music for the scene on which Bond is in the hotel and sees Magda leaving Octopussy's boat
- The finale (plane down and cliff)

From TMWTGG
- The Bond recovering the solex - sun-cloud sequence
- The scene on which Bond sees Andrea taking the bullet in the cigarret case and follows her

And, of course the Gunbarrel of all these films

From LICENCE TO KILL
- The Bond searching the aquarium sequence
- The prelude for the truck chase (escape from the temple)

[The Shark]

Some more:

TLD:

- "If only I could find a real man"
- Into Vienna (Without drum machine and synth strings)
- Bond sweats Pushkin
- Sleazy alto sax cue for Felix's hoes
- Bond plays sick aboard the Hercules (my personal favourite, from the unreleased cues)
- Bond and Kara with the Mujahadeen (not sure if this is unreleased - please correct me if I'm wrong)
- "You didn't thin I'd miss this performance?"

AVTAK:

- Iceberg submarine
- Stacey arrives via helicpter
- May Day escapes on speedboat
- Pegasus disappears into the stables
- Fight at Stacey's House
- Arrival at Zorin's Château
- Flooding the Mines/May Day stalks Bond
- KGB agent thrown into the propellers

OP:

- Acrostar lands
- Arrival in Deli
- Soviet depository
- Bond to Checkpoint Charlie
- Bond stows away on train
- Bond defusing bomb
- Bond hides amongst corpses
- Clifftop finale and barge recovery

FYEO:

- Warehouse Raid (beginning is released on the track 'Sub vs Sub', but the brief following resolution heard when Colombo's men board the pier - is unalienable) - Features a heavy synthesiser drone
- Death of Ferrara (You'd have to take the quivering synthesiser 'Dove' motif from from one of its other appearances on the album)
- Death of Apostis (rock climbing sequence)

TMWTGG: Bond holds Lazar's piece at gunpoint

[mattjoes]

That would be a more practical solution indeed.

What rest are you referring to?

Oh, just whatever cue you choose to work on next.

[Bond111]

Both of those were fantastic! Hijack very nearly sounds like the real recording at some points. Fascinating how you've managed to reproduce some of the tonal qualities of the original work.

Nice job!

[Leo R.]

Hi Gkgyver,

Your rerecordings of Gondola Chase and Hijack are wonderful stuff!

As for your question what other unreleased music there is in Moonraker:

- A cue when Bond gets into the centrifuge (40 sec.)
- Two cues when Bond arrives in Venice and looks around the glass factory (1 minute)
- Carnival music (1 minute)
- More carnival music near the cable car station (30 sec.)
- A cue when Bond escapes by hang glider near the waterfall (20 sec.)
- A cue when Bond and Goodhead escape from the rocket launch chamber (30 sec.)
- A cue when Bond switches off gravity in the space station (1 minute)

If you want I can send you some mp3s.

Call me weird, but I'm a great fan of the MR carnival music :-)

By the way, I don't think the da-da-dum that comes after the Tritsch tratsch polka was tracked. This version of it is not heard elsewhere in the movie.

Hope to hear some more soon !

[gkgyver]

Well, I've never considered the Carnival music as part of the score, more like accidental environment music. But then, the circus and casino stuff is on the DAF release, so I could be wrong.

However, please understand that I would very much like to proceed to bigger unreleased cues than the carnival music (not to mention that I probably don't have the means to reproduce that anyway ... ).

To all people who sent me a request for the files: I was in London for the past 4 days, so your requests were not willingly ignored!
I haven't converted the project files to Lossless yet, so to anyone who requested Lossless, I'll convert them this weekend!

[gkgyver]

Some more:

TLD:

- "If only I could find a real man"
- Into Vienna (Without drum machine and synth strings)
- Bond sweats Pushkin
- Sleazy alto sax cue for Felix's hoes
- Bond plays sick aboard the Hercules (my personal favourite, from the unreleased cues)
- Bond and Kara with the Mujahadeen (not sure if this is unreleased - please correct me if I'm wrong)
- "You didn't thin I'd miss this performance?"

AVTAK:

- Iceberg submarine
- Stacey arrives via helicpter
- May Day escapes on speedboat
- Pegasus disappears into the stables
- Fight at Stacey's House
- Arrival at Zorin's Château
- Flooding the Mines/May Day stalks Bond
- KGB agent thrown into the propellers

OP:

- Acrostar lands
- Arrival in Deli
- Soviet depository
- Bond to Checkpoint Charlie
- Bond stows away on train
- Bond defusing bomb
- Bond hides amongst corpses
- Clifftop finale and barge recovery

FYEO:

- Warehouse Raid (beginning is released on the track 'Sub vs Sub', but the brief following resolution heard when Colombo's men board the pier - is unalienable) - Features a heavy synthesiser drone
- Death of Ferrara (You'd have to take the quivering synthesiser 'Dove' motif from from one of its other appearances on the album)
- Death of Apostis (rock climbing sequence)

TMWTGG: Bond holds Lazar's piece at gunpoint

Wow, I guess one after the other, huh?

I haven't watched the classics in ages (okay, that's an overstatement, but it's been a while), so spontaneously, I can't hear the cues you mentioned in my head. Except for the Moonraker ones.

Right now, I think I'll do one or two more Moonraker cues, and move on to AVTAK and Octopussy.

[Professor Dent]

Fantastic stuff, gkgyver! Really well done. Thanks for your work on these.

[DamnCoffee]

Fantastic work!

See, if Bryan Herbert made something like this, we wouldn't have a problem with the guy. Musical recreation can be done. You've proved it. Well done.

[Mr.Zukovsky]

Lol , do more Gkgyver!

[gkgyver]

Can anyone hear what the lower string arpeggios are playing in the Moonraker paragliding scene? I've got the thing done, except these.
I just can't hear it on the rip I have.

[gkgyver]

(Now) Final version of Paragliding scene:

[gkgyver]

I had to slightly alter the sax solo, since I only have a demo of the saxophone software, which has a limited range. I recorded an alternate, with a muted trumpet, but I found it a bit piercing, so I offer you this first.

[danbeck]

The last three bars still need the cello/bass line.

Another fantastic version, congratulations. Short but gorgeous. It's amazing how the soundtrack to Moonraker is made almost entirely of very short tracks but which are some of the best 30 sec.-1 min. filmusic cues ever!

5 of the missing tracks already rerecorded:
- Gunbarrel and Hijack [RERECORDED by gkgyver]
- Freefall [RERECORDED at Silva compilation]
- Arrival at Chateau Drax [RERECORDED at Silva compilation]
- The Gondola Chase [RERECORDED by gkgyver]
- A cue when Bond escapes by hang glider near the waterfall [RERECORDED by gkgyver]

5 more left to complete the underscore (excluding the carnival source cues):
- Bond gets into the centrifuge (40 sec.)
- Bond at the glass factory (2 tracks - 1 minute)
- Bond and Goodhead escape from the rocket launch chamber (30 sec.)
- Bond switches off gravity (1 minute)
- "Here's to us"

[gkgyver]

I would love to do another smaller cue until the weekend arrives, but I have neither DVD nor rip here at the moment.
On the upside, I'm expecting additional, better-sounding (hopefully) string samples for the Gondola chase any day now, I hope to get that done until Friday.

By the way, I did not forget about people's lossless files, but I converted the Hijack cue, and somehow it doesn't seem to be playable.
I'll figure something out.

[gkgyver]

Okay, this is the Drax Shuttle Launch.
Be warned, I modeled it after a DVD rip, and only a DVD rip, so I don't know if the deleted channels could reveal additional layers.
The snare intro and outro (?) is, again, done by me, feel free to say if you like it.

EDIT: new version

[mattjoes]

Check the descending strings at 0:14 in the paragliding music. They should be playing E-G-D-E-C-D-B-C-A-B-G. Very good otherwise; all three sound just like the originals.

[gkgyver]

Thank you!
Any help is greatly appreciated!

EDIT: If anyone can hear what the violins are playing in the background, especially starting at 1:05, I'm willing to give the freefall music a try:



It sounds like they're playing glissando or portamento.

[Leo R.]

Great work, Gkgyver!
Your 2 new Moonraker cues sound spot on!

The sax solo in your AVTAK cue doesn't really sound right as you mentioned yoursef, but the rest of it is very well done.

By the way, a few years ago Rich Douglas recorded two AVTAK cues (the escape of May Day and the horse race). It would be great if you did the rest (AVTAK has, if I'm not mistaken, some 25 minuten of unreleased score).

Edited by Leo R., 11 October 2010 - 11:28 AM.

[mattjoes]

If what I'm hearing are indeed the violins you mention, then I believe they are playing these five notes repeatedly: E-F#-G-A-B, except at 0:05 and 1:17, where they seem to play something like this: E-F#-G-A-E. It's similar to what they play at 4:09 of The Palace Chase track in the Octopussy OST.

Edited by mattjoes, 11 October 2010 - 07:04 PM.

[The Shark]

Great job so far gkgyver. However, I agree with others that the AVTAK cue is quite off. For brass section here is either tacet (silent), or the horns are playing part of the underlying oscillating harmony. Most liked open than fibre-muted, though I could be wrong.

The harmony is essentially a simple progression from Fm to Fmin/Maj7th - The top figure being Ab to C, then Ab to D - The lower being a descending F - E - D - C. There are no quartal chords (fourths) here AS your transcription would suggest.

[Leo R.]

By the way, Blofeld's cat has got some unreleased Bond music on his website, without sound effects (though in horrible sound quality).
It also contains a cue from AVTAK.
http://blofeldscat.l...com/149591.html

It is part of 4 articles discussing unreleased Bond music.

Oh, and don't ask him where he got the music from. He won't tell ya.

[gkgyver]

A little preview of "Here Is To Us":



Also, a new version of Gondola Chase:



You may notice a difference. I layered the SFX-free parts of a DVD rip on top of it.
And the Bass pizzicato is still missing ... still waiting for that one.

[Leo R.]

A little preview of "Here Is To Us":

Nice one!

You may notice a difference. I layered the SFX-free parts of a DVD rip on top of it.
And the Bass pizzicato is still missing ... still waiting for that one.

Hm, I don't feel like the SFX-free stuff is adding anything to it; it suddenly sounds messy. I thougth your initial recreation was already good enough. I like how you added more tambourines etc though.

[Rich Douglas]

Damn man... these are FANTASTIC!

I did in fact do a couple of cues from AVTAK 3 to 4 years ago. They're definitely far from perfect, but work. No clue what was I thinking with all of that compression lol. Here they are once again:



Keep up the great work GK!

Rich

[darthbond]

I remember this one, Rich. I have this one entitled Escape from Mayday - AVTAK. I always liked how you put the audio cue at the end. On the note of gkgyver's stuff, quite fantastic.

darthbond

[gkgyver]

Just FYI, I dropped the Freefall for now because my brass is just too flat to achieve the desired punch. I'll save it for when I have better equipment in a few weeks.

Next on the plate is, surprise, "Here Is To Us", which should be up in a few days, and then "Gunbarrel - Double Agent - Escape" from Octopussy.

By the way, does anyone know if the OST of Octopussy is labelled and sequenced correctly?

[Marcato]

OMFG - this orchestrations sound not GOOD in the deep strings from time to time

I'm gonna help you this ONE TIME with the viola, cello, bass part - THOSE ARE THE BOND THEME AND ARE ALWAYS USED IN THE BARRY WORK.

In return you can tell me what your sound-equipment is and how/where to get it (downloading or) and price.


BEWARE that this string pattern are not alwayws followed (in the viola) in the GONDOLA CHASE.




Now don't come and say that i don't help you.

the last slur is missing but it should also be there so the notes between C and B are conected. Simile.

[gkgyver]

Now don't come and say that i don't help you.

I never said you don't help me, but that I gladly refuse your offer because your attitude is messed up.
I didn't ask for your help, and as you present it, it is no help, so I don't have to give you anything in return.

The cue you posted here is Gobinda Attacks, and as far I can hear, the celli don't play that in the Gondola Chase.

I don't think the orchestation in the deep strings can sound bad, simply because my latest orchestration *does not have* deep strings.
What you hear is my orchestration on top of the actual film recording.

Go send John Barry a quick e-mail that you don't like his bass orchestration for a score that was never adequately commercially released in the first place - I'm sure he'll be glad to feel that pain once again.