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[Tybre]

They should use this in Bond 23:

http://www.dailymail...-submarine.html

Note to self: Now is the time to convert to your lifelong dream of piracy

[Tarl_Cabot]

Ay mate...Shiver me timbers!

[Tybre]

Ay mate...Shiver me timbers!

lol imagine how people would react to a ship that massive and luxurious being used by pirates

[Tarl_Cabot]

It does fit the Bond tradition though...be awesome to see Bond at a party on that thing...

[Tybre]

It does fit the Bond tradition though...be awesome to see Bond at a party on that thing...

With the armaments that thing has why not just make it the villain's lair?

[Tarl_Cabot]

Wonderful!


Time for Morgan to show his quality.


Let the New Golden Age continue...

Indeed. I'm glad I'm not the only one here who loves QOS(seems like it's reputation here is deteriorating rapidly).Imagine if Bond 23 is the best of the bunch... *drool*


With the armaments that thing has why not just make it the villain's lair?

That's exactly what I had in mind...Bond always meets his nemesis in civil, social settings.

[quantumofsolace]

Disappointing either way, he was masterful with the diaogue of cinematic Bond.

Was he, though? While he undoubtedly produced some fine lines that gave Daniel and co. nice bits to work with, I think Haggis has a serious tendency towards "trailer dialogue" (pompous, grandiose overstatement that sounds weighty in a trailer, but in context, doesn't really have as much significance as the dialogue tries to convey). It shows in both CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

Completely agreed. I'm very happy that they're making a change at the writer position, as I think that Morgan will most likely not have the same tendency towards "trailer dialogue" that Haggis seems to have had with CR and QOS. I think that Purvis and Wade have proven to be very good at crafting the foundations for Bond films (even the foundations for TWINE and DAD were good, they were just sabotaged by all of the awfulness that was built on top of them), and with a great writer like Morgan to build on top of that, we should be in for a great Bond film.

How do you know all the 'trailer dialogue' was from Haggis and not P+W?

Well, some of the clever quips in CR do not seem anything remotely like the sort of thing P&W would write. I'm banking those parts of dialogue at least were Haggis.

Exactly. So why would one be pleased they were gone?
This hate for P+W and for Haggis makes no sense. In the Broz era P+W were awful. With Craig they have been (in collabration) very good. Haggis has helped write 2 of the best ever Bonds.
Morgan is an outstanding scripter. Can't wait.

Edited by quantumofsolace, 13 June 2009 - 04:16 AM.

[Matt_13]

Cool.

[danslittlefinger]

They should use this in Bond 23:

http://www.dailymail...-submarine.html

Note to self: Now is the time to convert to your lifelong dream of piracy

How cool!

[Double-Oh Agent]

I think and it's been mentioned here by someone before that P& W bring an extensive knowledge of Fleming to the table, we can only speculate of what of the script is them but Haggis was supposed to have done a re-write which Zetumer did a quick polish of.

It could be said that only the basic plot is what existed of P&W in the finished form we witnessed in QOS. Now I can't say this for sure but QOS for my money had some real strong dialogue moments that I find hard to of come from the pen of P&W.

Perhaps Eon have now established this MO for writing Bond scripts.

Makes sense to me, particularly if one or both sets of writers is clearly stronger or more experienced in one style than the other (i.e. Purvis and Wade in regards to setting up the plot and coming up with the action scenes whereas Haggis and Morgan are best at dialogue). This way EON can get the best of both worlds and come up with a more solid film. Why wouldn't EON want to combine their talents?

I like the selection of Peter Morgan. I haven't seen anything he's done but I know that The Last King Of Scotland and The Queen are highly regarded. I look forward to seeing what he can/will do.

Personally, I'm kind of glad to see Haggis go. I wasn't as wild about Quantum Of Solace which he had a bigger hand in writing. Also, the political inferences included in the script by the ideologically Liberal Haggis (inferences that should never be included in a Bond film) turned me off. Although to be fair, I did like what he did on Casino Royale.

[AgentBentley]

Not too keen on P+W because of DAD, and I also think they should try and get some new blood instead of letting the same duo write each and every film.

Morgan is a 'quality' movie writer, so let's see how he does on an action movie. Being good at one doesn't mean being good at the other, but anyway, I still see his appointment as good news.
We'll have to wait until we see the movie before we know whether it was.

[Jim]

I like the selection of Peter Morgan. I haven't seen anything he's done but I know that The Last King Of Scotland and The Queen are highly regarded. I look forward to seeing what he can/will do.

...Also, the political inferences included in the script by the ideologically Liberal Haggis (inferences that should never be included in a Bond film) turned me off.

Although I don't know how you've defined political liberalism for yourself, I think you can cheerfully expect political observation from Peter Morgan. Much of his stuff is run through with it, without it being polemic.

[DamnCoffee]

Oh God!
Morgan is a VERY talanted writer. I LOVED The Queen.

It's a shame Haggis is out, BUT It's just brilliant that we've got our first official piece of Bond 23 news.

[Dainshdude118]

This is fantastic news!
Morgan is undeniably a very intelligent writer indeed.
The two films I’ve seen of his; “The Queen” and “Frost/Nixon” were both very fun to watch.
Anyway, it appears that things have started moving down at EON productions

[Zorin Industries]

Wonderful!


Time for Morgan to show his quality.


Let the New Golden Age continue...



July/August will see a completed script. September will see Pre-Production. Cameras to roll next February. Bond 23 at the cinema next November.

What excitement!

The boredom of the past three months here is over!

How on EARTH do you get the conclusion that the script would be finished in two months time?!! How many feature scripts have you written whilst overseeing the production of a few others?

[Orion]

Not too keen on P+W because of DAD, and I also think they should try and get some new blood instead of letting the same duo write each and every film.

Morgan is a 'quality' movie writer, so let's see how he does on an action movie. Being good at one doesn't mean being good at the other, but anyway, I still see his appointment as good news.
We'll have to wait until we see the movie before we know whether it was.

Well the previous P&W scripts have had very good action scenes, caertainly DAD's and TWINE's weaknesses where in the dialogue (not counting that CGI tidal wave, which Tamahori had gloated prior to relaease was his idea so P&W cant be held accountable for that). So assuming P&W write the first drafts, and then Morgan does the rewrites to fix the dialogue, we should have a very good Bond film.

This of course assumes we get a director who knows what he (or she) is doing. We dont need another terrible CGI tidal wave crowbared in.

Edited by Orion, 13 June 2009 - 10:16 AM.

[YOLT]

I hope they can finish writing in 2 months. Than we get the director until October. And the other casting until January. So is 2010 still possible ?

[baerrtt]

I think and it's been mentioned here by someone before that P& W bring an extensive knowledge of Fleming to the table, we can only speculate of what of the script is them but Haggis was supposed to have done a re-write which Zetumer did a quick polish of.

It could be said that only the basic plot is what existed of P&W in the finished form we witnessed in QOS. Now I can't say this for sure but QOS for my money had some real strong dialogue moments that I find hard to of come from the pen of P&W.

Perhaps Eon have now established this MO for writing Bond scripts.

Makes sense to me, particularly if one or both sets of writers is clearly stronger or more experienced in one style than the other (i.e. Purvis and Wade in regards to setting up the plot and coming up with the action scenes whereas Haggis and Morgan are best at dialogue). This way EON can get the best of both worlds and come up with a more solid film. Why wouldn't EON want to combine their talents?

I like the selection of Peter Morgan. I haven't seen anything he's done but I know that The Last King Of Scotland and The Queen are highly regarded. I look forward to seeing what he can/will do.

Personally, I'm kind of glad to see Haggis go. I wasn't as wild about Quantum Of Solace which he had a bigger hand in writing. Also, the political inferences included in the script by the ideologically Liberal Haggis (inferences that should never be included in a Bond film) turned me off. Although to be fair, I did like what he did on Casino Royale.

Given Morgan's previous scripts we may see more of the same perhaps even more blatantly than before. Unless Morgan's been hired to 'write against type' I'm envisioning a Bond film even more serious and political than the last two (those bring back the silliness fans will be peeved ).

[double o ego]

The Bond films need to stay away from being to formulaic and predictable.

I see what you're saying BUT the mass audience in general have certain expectations where they want to see some formulaic and predictable elements. People need to understand that Bond isn't just a series of movies, he's a 50 year old institution that the general public, particularly the British public hold in high regard and there are some staples in the series that do need to show up.
I think we're all interested in shaking the movies up to make them more interesting and ultimately better but drastic changes may not always be appreciated. Bond narrating? I don't particularly want to see that. Delving deeper into Bond's phyche? I think it's possible to explore but not to the point where it comes off feeling heavy handed.
Remember, these films are supposed to be fun, escapist, fantasy adventures. For the past 2 movies, I've enjoyed them immensely but not once did I feel like I want to be Bond and that is just one of many things the Bond movies are at least or should be trying to convey.

[Loomis]

Wonderful!


Time for Morgan to show his quality.


Let the New Golden Age continue...



July/August will see a completed script. September will see Pre-Production. Cameras to roll next February. Bond 23 at the cinema next November.

What excitement!

The boredom of the past three months here is over!

How on EARTH do you get the conclusion that the script would be finished in two months time?!! How many feature scripts have you written whilst overseeing the production of a few others?

Zorin, do you think it possible that BOND 23 will be ready to go before the cameras in the New Year? Assuming that P&W have already written a story and are beavering away on a first draft of the script (which I consider highly likely), and assuming that Morgan will start work before too long, I can well believe that the screenplay will be as ready as it's ever gonna be by the end of this year (note I don't say July/August, I say the end of this year). After all, wasn't Haggis engaged on CASINO and QUANTUM for only a few weeks?

[baerrtt]

The Bond films need to stay away from being to formulaic and predictable.

I see what you're saying BUT the mass audience in general have certain expectations where they want to see some formulaic and predictable elements. People need to understand that Bond isn't just a series of movies, he's a 50 year old institution that the general public, particularly the British public hold in high regard and there are some staples in the series that do need to show up.
I think we're all interested in shaking the movies up to make them more interesting and ultimately better but drastic changes may not always be appreciated. Bond narrating? I don't particularly want to see that. Delving deeper into Bond's phyche? I think it's possible to explore but not to the point where it comes off feeling heavy handed.
Remember, these films are supposed to be fun, escapist, fantasy adventures. For the past 2 movies, I've enjoyed them immensely but not once did I feel like I want to be Bond and that is just one of many things the Bond movies are at least or should be trying to convey.

Given the success of the last two films and Craig ascending to near iconic sex symbol status (thanks to those blue trunks) I don't think the public minds Bond films now that portray the character and his world in a less flattering and fantastical light. With Craig clearly he's still the hero guys want to be and women want to be with even with scripts that, so far, have thrown up the troubling aspects of Fleming's original creation(alcoholism) without any of the usual relief (killing without the standard quips).

Edited by baerrtt, 13 June 2009 - 01:43 PM.

[The Ghost Who Walks]

Remember, these films are supposed to be fun, escapist, fantasy adventures. For the past 2 movies, I've enjoyed them immensely but not once did I feel like I want to be Bond and that is just one of many things the Bond movies are at least or should be trying to convey.

Leaving the theatre after seeing Casino Royale, I was wonderfully uplifted, feeling ten feet taller (and I'm already close to two metres in size ), so it's fair to say that I have wanted "to be" Daniel Craig's James Bond, if you can call it that. Not so much in Quantum of Solace, though that is mainly because the film is not quite as good as CR and Bond goes to some dark places within himself no sane person could wish to experience. I'm sure it also matters that CR also marked the proper return of a character I love, after years of poorly written films.

I am very happy to get Morgan. I (mostly) loved The Last King of Scotland, and The Queen was a fine movie too. Need to check out Frost/Nixon soon.

[DamnCoffee]

I've been looking for an excuse to buy Frost/Nixon and I think I've found it.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I've been looking for an excuse to buy Frost/Nixon and I think I've found it.

Indeed bond 23 is gonna be the first bond film i turn on my geekyness full max I'm gonna watch the films the director/actors/writer previously did to get a sense of their work

[TheREAL008]

Hopefully good things are truly in store for us now!

[double o ego]

With regards to my earlier comment about wanting to be Bond, I'd like to shed a bit more light on what I was trying to say. Craig has most definitely given Bond back that level of respect, prestige and an all new level of cool but with regards to where his mind-state was at, the movies imo made it appear that from this particular standpoint, no one would want to be Bond. Sure, he looked cool and does a whole bunch of awesome stuff but I wouldn't want to be him in the sense of what he was going through.
That is why I'm hoping Bond23 gives us a story where Bond is much more relaxed, having fun and really enjoying being a secret agent. I'm thinking early connery era type fun.

[Tybre]

Personally the movies have never made me want to be Bond. Only the books have achieved that.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I like the selection of Peter Morgan. I haven't seen anything he's done but I know that The Last King Of Scotland and The Queen are highly regarded. I look forward to seeing what he can/will do.

...Also, the political inferences included in the script by the ideologically Liberal Haggis (inferences that should never be included in a Bond film) turned me off.

Although I don't know how you've defined political liberalism for yourself, I think you can cheerfully expect political observation from Peter Morgan. Much of his stuff is run through with it, without it being polemic.

I'm no lefty but I rather enjoyed the political ideas that were subverted in QOS such as the pro-labor goverment of Haiti being overthrown by Quantum at the request of exploitating (American)corporations, the CIA guy's unflinching agreement to kill ally agent 007,the references to global warming, drought...etc. I thought Quantum was the most mature(didn't exlpain electro-magnetic pulse™ for us yankie-tards) script since FRWL...so, I welcome more political baggage.

[Tybre]

I like the selection of Peter Morgan. I haven't seen anything he's done but I know that The Last King Of Scotland and The Queen are highly regarded. I look forward to seeing what he can/will do.

...Also, the political inferences included in the script by the ideologically Liberal Haggis (inferences that should never be included in a Bond film) turned me off.

Although I don't know how you've defined political liberalism for yourself, I think you can cheerfully expect political observation from Peter Morgan. Much of his stuff is run through with it, without it being polemic.

I'm no lefty but I rather enjoyed the political ideas that were subverted in QOS such as the pro-labor goverment of Haiti being overthrown by Quantum at the request of exploitating (American)corporations, the CIA guy's unflinching agreement to kill ally agent 007,the references to global warming, drought...etc. I thought Quantum was the most mature(didn't exlpain electro-magnetic pulse™ for us yankie-tards) script since FRWL...so, I welcome more political baggage.

As long as we're not being beaten over the head with it I say bring the politics.

[Bucky]

maybe haggis will direct the next film instead of writing.