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Morgan, Purvis & Wade to Work on Bond 23!


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#61 danslittlefinger

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 09:31 PM

Wow, that came as a surprise - especially after the recent rumors about Haggis.

Peter Morgan is a fantastic choice. And he is British! Seems like he will do the polish work like Haggis did after Purvis & Wade have done the structure. These two seem to be EON´s favorites.


For my buck, I agree. Morgan's a great choice -- and a Brit, which I think we need.



Probably why they came out with the news so soon. To put the Haggis one's to rest. Haggis was probably fed up with getting plagued by the scrutiny. Who knows?

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 09:38 PM

Where do people get the idea P&W really know the Fleming material? Not saying it's wrong, just like to know where that comes from.

From hearing what they have to say about the books. And their take on writing Bond. And from reading their work.


I back you up ACE on this one because I remember that originally the "Bitch is Dead" line was going to be used in The World is not Enough and Die Another Day uses elements from the Moonraker novel plus I think one of documentaries on the CR DVD set mentioned their knowledge of Fleming. I agree with you ACE as well with them being underrated because its easy to blame them for some okay Bond films like Die Another Day but there are so many other factors that go into it like writers who contribute but don't get the credit or in Die Another Day's case no one really knows who came up with the idea of having as many winks to previous Bond films. Plus I remember reading somewhere that the script of The World is Not enough got worse with each rewrite so who knows and it worked with CR so why can't it happen again.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 09:39 PM

The Variety article includes this.

No start date has yet been set, but sources said EON and MGM are eyeing a 2011 release.


#64 Colossus

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 09:43 PM

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! i hope they do more pulp and less drama.

#65 jaguar007

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 10:01 PM

Where do people get the idea P&W really know the Fleming material? Not saying it's wrong, just like to know where that comes from.

From hearing what they have to say about the books. And their take on writing Bond. And from reading their work.


I back you up ACE on this one because I remember that originally the "Bitch is Dead" line was going to be used in The World is not Enough and Die Another Day uses elements from the Moonraker novel plus I think one of documentaries on the CR DVD set mentioned their knowledge of Fleming. I agree with you ACE as well with them being underrated because its easy to blame them for some okay Bond films like Die Another Day but there are so many other factors that go into it like writers who contribute but don't get the credit or in Die Another Day's case no one really knows who came up with the idea of having as many winks to previous Bond films. Plus I remember reading somewhere that the script of The World is Not enough got worse with each rewrite so who knows and it worked with CR so why can't it happen again.


I agree. I think TWINE had a great storyline, it just got messed up by the director.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 10:19 PM

Where do people get the idea P&W really know the Fleming material? Not saying it's wrong, just like to know where that comes from.

From hearing what they have to say about the books. And their take on writing Bond. And from reading their work.


I back you up ACE on this one because I remember that originally the "Bitch is Dead" line was going to be used in The World is not Enough and Die Another Day uses elements from the Moonraker novel plus I think one of documentaries on the CR DVD set mentioned their knowledge of Fleming. I agree with you ACE as well with them being underrated because its easy to blame them for some okay Bond films like Die Another Day but there are so many other factors that go into it like writers who contribute but don't get the credit or in Die Another Day's case no one really knows who came up with the idea of having as many winks to previous Bond films. Plus I remember reading somewhere that the script of The World is Not enough got worse with each rewrite so who knows and it worked with CR so why can't it happen again.


I recall around the time DAD was filming that Tamahori changed many of the elements around, adding in the CGI tidal wave (I remember reading he had wanted that for one of his other films), and Tamahori also was the one who set the climax onboard the plane. I believe Purvis and Wade envisioned a storming of a ground base, complete with Bond leading a commando army.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 10:21 PM

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! i hope they do more pulp and less drama.




I hope they do more mystery with Bond in disguise and undercover along with reintroducing Q and MoneyPenny.

I also hope they go to a more noirish film as well.

I would love to see Bond narrate/voice over the events of the film and see what is going through his mind. It would provide us with a fresh and interesting take with the Bond films.

The Bond films need to stay away from being to formulaic and predictable.

#68 Quantumofsolace007

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 10:45 PM

hopefully with Morgan we will get a new fresh take on the character B)

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 10:48 PM

Well lets see....who directed The World is Not Enough, Tomorrow Never Dies, Die Another Day? Then we had Forsters one dimensional and unbalanced QOS.


Can something of one dimension be unbalanced?

Now we are deep into Quantum physics.


Indeed. In fact according to superstring theory, many one dimensional states are in disequilibrium - that's unbalanced to the likes of me and you - necessitating many more dimensions before equilibrium is achieved. M-theory suggests we need up to 11 dimensions before it all gets sorted. Amazing. Don't make QoS any good though - but I guess some people see dimensions to it that others don't B) Did you see what I did there..?

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 10:49 PM

Interesting selection of writers. I approve.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 11:17 PM

I approve as well B)

#72 DKnight007

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 11:22 PM

Well lets see....who directed The World is Not Enough, Tomorrow Never Dies, Die Another Day? Then we had Forsters one dimensional and unbalanced QOS.


Can something of one dimension be unbalanced?





Yes an interesting question isn't it?

I would have to say yes....I would think there can be unbalance in one dimension.

Why not?



hopefully with Morgan we will get a new fresh take on the character B)




I hope so as well....

#73 Mr. Somerset

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 11:47 PM

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:16 AM

I think and it's been mentioned here by someone before that P& W bring an extensive knowledge of Fleming to the table, we can only speculate of what of the script is them but Haggis was supposed to have done a re-write which Zetumer did a quick polish of.

It could be said that only the basic plot is what existed of P&W in the finished form we witnessed in QOS. Now I can't say this for sure but QOS for my money had some real strong dialogue moments that I find hard to of come from the pen of P&W.

Perhaps Eon have now established this MO for writing Bond scripts.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:22 AM

I think and it's been mentioned here by someone before that P& W bring an extensive knowledge of Fleming to the table, we can only speculate of what of the script is them but Haggis was supposed to have done a re-write which Zetumer did a quick polish of.

It could be said that only the basic plot is what existed of P&W in the finished form we witnessed in QOS. Now I can't say this for sure but QOS for my money had some real strong dialogue moments that I find hard to of come from the pen of P&W.

Perhaps Eon have now established this MO for writing Bond scripts.


Well hey it's worked pretty well for the last two. I'm not complaining.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:23 AM

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Trio of scribes announced for 007's next adventure


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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:28 AM

I'm disappointed that Haggis isn't returning, but otherwise pleased with the news. I can't say I'm surprised, given what we've seen lately.

Haggis' upcoming film directly conflicts with the Bond schedule, that much was obvious. And I get the impression from the various interviews, articles, etc., that Haggis' experience on the last one might not have been ideal. Granted, it's a little murky as to the actual order of how things went, but by all accounts, Forster had Zetumer rewrite some of the Haggis stuff later on in the process (or maybe stuff Haggis didn't really have time to develop before the strike?) Or, maybe Paul just didn't want to do another one.

Disappointing either way, he was masterful with the diaogue of cinematic Bond. But Peter Morgan is quite talented and I too believe P&W take a lot of unnecessary flak that leaves them with an underrated impression. Great writing team, and having them in place this early (perhaps with a mandate this time that the director has to not just "throw out" stuff closer to filming) is certainly a good sign.

Ah, the fun begins....

(Odd how we've been talking about all this lately, and the announcement suddenly came...)

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:31 AM

(Odd how we've been talking about all this lately, and the announcement suddenly came...)


Shh. The avatars have ears.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:50 AM

I think and it's been mentioned here by someone before that P& W bring an extensive knowledge of Fleming to the table, we can only speculate of what of the script is them but Haggis was supposed to have done a re-write which Zetumer did a quick polish of.

It could be said that only the basic plot is what existed of P&W in the finished form we witnessed in QOS. Now I can't say this for sure but QOS for my money had some real strong dialogue moments that I find hard to of come from the pen of P&W.

Perhaps Eon have now established this MO for writing Bond scripts.


Well hey it's worked pretty well for the last two. I'm not complaining.


Agreed, and I'm certainly not complaining. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I just wonder if Haggis WAS asked but had to turn it down because he's just too busy at this time. According to IMDb he has four projects in development at the moment.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 01:09 AM

Shopuldn't this be in the "important topic" sections as this is the first bit of news on bond 23.

Just was wondering

as for on topic Perhaps Purvis Wade and Morgna are working together which would be nice.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 01:33 AM

Magnificent. Let the mayhem begin.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 01:46 AM

Disappointing either way, he was masterful with the diaogue of cinematic Bond.

Was he, though? While he undoubtedly produced some fine lines that gave Daniel and co. nice bits to work with, I think Haggis has a serious tendency towards "trailer dialogue" (pompous, grandiose overstatement that sounds weighty in a trailer, but in context, doesn't really have as much significance as the dialogue tries to convey). It shows in both CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 01:52 AM

Where do people get the idea P&W really know the Fleming material? Not saying it's wrong, just like to know where that comes from.

From hearing what they have to say about the books. And their take on writing Bond. And from reading their work.


I back you up ACE on this one because I remember that originally the "Bitch is Dead" line was going to be used in The World is not Enough and Die Another Day uses elements from the Moonraker novel plus I think one of documentaries on the CR DVD set mentioned their knowledge of Fleming. I agree with you ACE as well with them being underrated because its easy to blame them for some okay Bond films like Die Another Day but there are so many other factors that go into it like writers who contribute but don't get the credit or in Die Another Day's case no one really knows who came up with the idea of having as many winks to previous Bond films. Plus I remember reading somewhere that the script of The World is Not enough got worse with each rewrite so who knows and it worked with CR so why can't it happen again.


I recall around the time DAD was filming that Tamahori changed many of the elements around, adding in the CGI tidal wave (I remember reading he had wanted that for one of his other films), and Tamahori also was the one who set the climax onboard the plane. I believe Purvis and Wade envisioned a storming of a ground base, complete with Bond leading a commando army.

Yeah that pretty much sums up my point. The ending you describe sounds a lot better than the ending in the actual film and I would not be surprised if P&W's script of DAD is better than the film we got because the too biggest issues I have is the ending and the CGI wave and I remember seeing the making of documentary where Tamahori had said that future Bond films would only be half real and the rest CGI which I found hilarious since CR was mostly real.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 01:54 AM

I mentioned Kevin Macdonald in another thread- given that he has connections to Morgan it is understandable that he should be considered for the job. He's a good director and comes from a good pedigree (his grandfather is Emeric Pressburger)


But his main focus has been documenatries(if you haven't seen Touching The Void, I reccomend it) and films with a political bent, though he did do a documentary about Mick Jagger that is on Youtube.

Edited by honour, 13 June 2009 - 01:55 AM.


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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:03 AM

Not surprised about P&W, but I am surprised they went for Peter Morgan. Seems like a good choice. We'll see how it pans out.

Agreed. I'd also expected to see Haggis back, but I suppose not.

Still, Morgan's previous work definitely stands up for itself.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:23 AM

Disappointing either way, he was masterful with the diaogue of cinematic Bond.

Was he, though? While he undoubtedly produced some fine lines that gave Daniel and co. nice bits to work with, I think Haggis has a serious tendency towards "trailer dialogue" (pompous, grandiose overstatement that sounds weighty in a trailer, but in context, doesn't really have as much significance as the dialogue tries to convey). It shows in both CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.



How do you know these weren't P+W lines ? Examples?

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:26 AM

Disappointing either way, he was masterful with the diaogue of cinematic Bond.

Was he, though? While he undoubtedly produced some fine lines that gave Daniel and co. nice bits to work with, I think Haggis has a serious tendency towards "trailer dialogue" (pompous, grandiose overstatement that sounds weighty in a trailer, but in context, doesn't really have as much significance as the dialogue tries to convey). It shows in both CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.


Completely agreed. I'm very happy that they're making a change at the writer position, as I think that Morgan will most likely not have the same tendency towards "trailer dialogue" that Haggis seems to have had with CR and QOS. I think that Purvis and Wade have proven to be very good at crafting the foundations for Bond films (even the foundations for TWINE and DAD were good, they were just sabotaged by all of the awfulness that was built on top of them), and with a great writer like Morgan to build on top of that, we should be in for a great Bond film.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:35 AM

Disappointing either way, he was masterful with the diaogue of cinematic Bond.

Was he, though? While he undoubtedly produced some fine lines that gave Daniel and co. nice bits to work with, I think Haggis has a serious tendency towards "trailer dialogue" (pompous, grandiose overstatement that sounds weighty in a trailer, but in context, doesn't really have as much significance as the dialogue tries to convey). It shows in both CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.


Completely agreed. I'm very happy that they're making a change at the writer position, as I think that Morgan will most likely not have the same tendency towards "trailer dialogue" that Haggis seems to have had with CR and QOS. I think that Purvis and Wade have proven to be very good at crafting the foundations for Bond films (even the foundations for TWINE and DAD were good, they were just sabotaged by all of the awfulness that was built on top of them), and with a great writer like Morgan to build on top of that, we should be in for a great Bond film.


How do you know all the 'trailer dialogue' was from Haggis and not P+W?

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:51 AM

Disappointing either way, he was masterful with the diaogue of cinematic Bond.

Was he, though? While he undoubtedly produced some fine lines that gave Daniel and co. nice bits to work with, I think Haggis has a serious tendency towards "trailer dialogue" (pompous, grandiose overstatement that sounds weighty in a trailer, but in context, doesn't really have as much significance as the dialogue tries to convey). It shows in both CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.


Completely agreed. I'm very happy that they're making a change at the writer position, as I think that Morgan will most likely not have the same tendency towards "trailer dialogue" that Haggis seems to have had with CR and QOS. I think that Purvis and Wade have proven to be very good at crafting the foundations for Bond films (even the foundations for TWINE and DAD were good, they were just sabotaged by all of the awfulness that was built on top of them), and with a great writer like Morgan to build on top of that, we should be in for a great Bond film.


How do you know all the 'trailer dialogue' was from Haggis and not P+W?


Well, some of the clever quips in CR do not seem anything remotely like the sort of thing P&W would write. I'm banking those parts of dialogue at least were Haggis.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 03:26 AM

They should use this in Bond 23:

http://www.dailymail...-submarine.html

B)