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[stamper]

It irks me that he says there is no Fleming material left.

100% on, alas I guess we won't see the garden of death on screen in a Bond movie during our lifetime, or any future Bond movie as Flemingian in spirit as CR for that matter. They could have just taken elements from LALD and Moonraker for QOS, change a few things, shake it up, and make a new movie calling it "Property of a Lady" or whatever. And keep doing that from film to film.

Sadly, I don't think respect for Fleming is in store in the future of the Bond movies.

CS: So you think that the next one will be a throwback to another Bond era?
Craig: Submarines and outer space!

Here comes next time SPY mixed with MK and YOLT (the movies).

[Eurospy]

I think people are misreading Craig's comments. He ment there are no entire novels (I.e. Casino Royale) to adapt. Hence the reference to a hidden manuscript in Goldeneye. They will use the Fleming material still here and there as they see fit. But the story line will be created by new writers.

BTW, it looks like Borne is copying the 'Casino Royale' story for #4, sad they have to copy a more superior franchise in only their 4th installment! Bond Rulz!

I don't think so. CR and The Parsifal Mosaic seem like quite different plots.

[stamper]

Absolutely Eurospy, alas the average Bond fan won't see past "double agent" and call it a rip off and dismiss it as such.

[Eurospy]

Absolutely Eurospy, alas the average Bond fan won't see past "double agent" and call it a rip off and dismiss it as such.

That's just a general feeling of retribution regarding the Bourne comparisons made to Bond.

[Taylor]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Bond 23 come out end of 2010. I'm getting a sense that there's some momentum here. It seems like Craig is primed and ready for his next 007 outing! Let's hope the planned January meeting with the writers bears some fruit...

[Mister Asterix]

BTW, it looks like Borne is copying the 'Casino Royale' story for #4, sad they have to copy a more superior franchise in only their 4th installment! Bond Rulz!

I don't think so. CR and The Parsifal Mosaic seem like quite different plots.

Absolutely Eurospy, alas the average Bond fan won't see past "double agent" and call it a rip off and dismiss it as such.

So much for staying spoiler-free for Bourne 4.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Bond 23 come out end of 2010. I'm getting a sense that there's some momentum here. It seems like Craig is primed and ready for his next 007 outing! Let's hope the planned January meeting with the writers bears some fruit...

I agree we'll know for sure soon enough. I'm hoping for a 2010 release myself.

[Doctor Shatterhand]

There is a wealth of unused Fleming material that could be made into great cinema:

In Ian Fleming's DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER, there are two villains who run the smuggling operation. Jack Spang and Seraffimo Spang. I personally feel Seraffimo Spang would be an excellent choice to head up an Quantum.

Recently in the news, oceanographers and scientist have been able to videotape (check out YouTube), and capture a giant squid. With the advantages of computer animation today, the producers can create the giant squid from the DOCTOR NO novel. It would be a highlight in the film series to see Bond fight to the death in an underwater cove against this most dangerous sea creature.

In the short story THE HILDEBRAND RARITY, Bond is on holiday in the Seychelles Islands with his friend Fidele Barbey. He meets an uncouth American millionaire named Milton Krest who has offered the two the job of aiding him and his wife, Liz, in the search for a rare fish named "The Hildebrand Rarity." What if the rare and colorful fish carries a poison that can be used for biological warfare. Obviously some changes would have to be made with the character Milton Krest, since he was used in LICENCE TO KILL. But the idea of Craig's Bond being sexually attractive to the married Liz, would make an interesting storyline. Especially at the end of the short story, where she is one of the suspects in the death of her husband.

Taking it one step further, Krest is simply supplying rare plants and fish to the botanist Dr. Gutram Shatterhand (the villain in the novel YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE), who has his own secluded island. Here is the next link in Quantum; Dr. Shatterhand is planning the most deadliest biological attacks on civilized cities around the world and financially disrupting major pharmaceutical companies worldwide on the stock exchange by being the only provider of the viral antidote.

Bring in the henchman, Horror, from the novel THE SPY WHO LOVED ME. Have him never seen until the final - similar to Red Grant in FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. Only Bond, and the audience, never see his face.

Assassination attempt on M's life by a brainwashed James Bond from the novel THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN and a Bridge on the River Kwai train wreck from the same story.

Bond girl, Gala Brand, from the novel MOONRAKER has never been given her cinematic moment. She is a professional MI5 policewoman who never sleeps with Bond throughout the novel. The reason is she is engaged to be married. It would be interesting to see this character updated, married to another man and partnered with Craig's OO7, who prefers his women married and simple.

Other villains such as Willy Krebs and Dr. Walters from MOONRAKER, Von Hammerstein from FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, Sanguinetti and Sluggsy from THE SPY WHO LOVED ME

Introduce the housekeeper, May, from the novels. After all, Bond is a globetrotting secret agent. Can you picture him trying to keep his home cleaned for the next overnight guest.

As you can see there is still plenty of Fleming left in the old boy.

[Eurospy]

Dr. Shatterhand - I agree with most of your points, although fun as it would be to watch Bond against a giant squid and for all its Flemingness, at the moment, I have a hard time picturing Craig's Bond fighting one.

It's like DAD's invisible car, it's not completely impossible (considering the given explanation), but it might not be adequate. Just an opinion.

Mr. Asterix - don't worry about spoilers considering Bourne 4. They will probably do exactly the same as they did with the Bourne books - take the basic premise there and do a completely different story with a bit less plot perhaps.

[Quantumofsolace007]

There is a wealth of unused Fleming material that could be made into great cinema:

In Ian Fleming's DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER, there are two villains who run the smuggling operation. Jack Spang and Seraffimo Spang. I personally feel Seraffimo Spang would be an excellent choice to head up an Quantum.

Recently in the news, oceanographers and scientist have been able to videotape (check out YouTube), and capture a giant squid. With the advantages of computer animation today, the producers can create the giant squid from the DOCTOR NO novel. It would be a highlight in the film series to see Bond fight to the death in an underwater cove against this most dangerous sea creature.

In the short story THE HILDEBRAND RARITY, Bond is on holiday in the Seychelles Islands with his friend Fidele Barbey. He meets an uncouth American millionaire named Milton Krest who has offered the two the job of aiding him and his wife, Liz, in the search for a rare fish named "The Hildebrand Rarity." What if the rare and colorful fish carries a poison that can be used for biological warfare. Obviously some changes would have to be made with the character Milton Krest, since he was used in LICENCE TO KILL. But the idea of Craig's Bond being sexually attractive to the married Liz, would make an interesting storyline. Especially at the end of the short story, where she is one of the suspects in the death of her husband.

Taking it one step further, Krest is simply supplying rare plants and fish to the botanist Dr. Gutram Shatterhand (the villain in the novel YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE), who has his own secluded island. Here is the next link in Quantum; Dr. Shatterhand is planning the most deadliest biological attacks on civilized cities around the world and financially disrupting major pharmaceutical companies worldwide on the stock exchange by being the only provider of the viral antidote.

Bring in the henchman, Horror, from the novel THE SPY WHO LOVED ME. Have him never seen until the final - similar to Red Grant in FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. Only Bond, and the audience, never see his face.

Assassination attempt on M's life by a brainwashed James Bond from the novel THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN and a Bridge on the River Kwai train wreck from the same story.

Bond girl, Gala Brand, from the novel MOONRAKER has never been given her cinematic moment. She is a professional MI5 policewoman who never sleeps with Bond throughout the novel. The reason is she is engaged to be married. It would be interesting to see this character updated, married to another man and partnered with Craig's OO7, who prefers his women married and simple.

Other villains such as Willy Krebs and Dr. Walters from MOONRAKER, Von Hammerstein from FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, Sanguinetti and Sluggsy from THE SPY WHO LOVED ME

Introduce the housekeeper, May, from the novels. After all, Bond is a globetrotting secret agent. Can you picture him trying to keep his home cleaned for the next overnight guest.

As you can see there is still plenty of Fleming left in the old boy.

Also M asking bond to do Him/her a personal favour would be interesting ti was in the short story For your eyes only and Moonraker and I think M asking bond to help her would be a strong scene.

[delfloria]

Not to mention that Quantum could brainwash 007 and send him off to kill M as in MWTGGG.
I agree there is still A LOT of Fleming available to the writers. Gardens of death in Japanese castles anyone? Daniel, if you are reading this, dive into those novels again. (Personally I think "Shatterhand " would make a great film title.)

[Eurospy]

Not to mention that Quantum could brainwash 007 and send him off to kill M as in MWTGGG.
I agree there is still A LOT of Fleming available to the writers. Gardens of death in Japanese castles anyone? Daniel, if you are reading this, dive into those novels again. (Personally I think "Shatterhand " would make a great film title.)

I'd love if they used that MWTGG bit (among many others), but it wouldn't be a good idea to have a brainwashed Bond right on Bond 23, nor 24.

At this pace, after his actions in Quantum of Solace, if he were to try to kill M (brainwashed yes, but still), he'd probably find himself kicked out of the Service, at the very least.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Personally I would Have the begining of for your eyes only be the potential starting off point for bond 23 M asking bond for his expertiese in a personal matter involving frined being murdered would be powerfull.


Though i feel we are on the verge of some exciting devlopments in bond 23

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 12 December 2008 - 04:41 PM.

[Publius]

So much for staying spoiler-free for Bourne 4.

Well, Supremacy and Ultimatum were spoiled for me by Identity.

At this pace, after his actions in Quantum of Solace, if he were to try to kill M (brainwashed yes, but still), he'd probably find himself kicked out of the Service, at the very least.

Maybe M should be the brainwashed one who tries to assassinate Bond.

[Eurospy]

Maybe M should be the brainwashed one who tries to assassinate Bond.

I think it would be better if we had no more rogues (reluctant ones or otherwise) in MI6. At least not for a couple of movies more. Before it turns into the M:I. franchise, where each movie has a high placed mole. An Intelligence Service like that wouldn't last long.

[Doctor Shatterhand]

At this pace, after his actions in Quantum of Solace, if he were to try to kill M (brainwashed yes, but still), he'd probably find himself kicked out of the Service, at the very least.

That is what nearly happened to Bond in both YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN novels. M was ready to kick him out and the Service's doctor talked M out of doing it and sending Bond on a simple mission. In the case of TMWTGG, M sends Bond out to kill Scaramanga. If he succeeds, Bond can be reinstated as a Double O. If he fails, no problem, Bond was heading to the gallows anyway.

Dr. Shatterhand - I agree with most of your points, although fun as it would be to watch Bond against a giant squid and for all its Flemingness, at the moment, I have a hard time picturing Craig's Bond fighting one.

It's like DAD's invisible car, it's not completely impossible (considering the given explanation), but it might not be adequate. Just an opinion.

Invisible cars is NOT Fleming. A giant squid is and could be really cool if done by the best CGI company in the business.

[Matt_13]

At this pace, after his actions in Quantum of Solace, if he were to try to kill M (brainwashed yes, but still), he'd probably find himself kicked out of the Service, at the very least.

That is what nearly happened to Bond in both YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN novels. M was ready to kick him out and the Service's doctor talked M out of doing it and sending Bond on a simple mission. In the case of TMWTGG, M sends Bond out to kill Scaramanga. If he succeeds, Bond can be reinstated as a Double O. If he fails, no problem, Bond was heading to the gallows anyway.

Dr. Shatterhand - I agree with most of your points, although fun as it would be to watch Bond against a giant squid and for all its Flemingness, at the moment, I have a hard time picturing Craig's Bond fighting one.

It's like DAD's invisible car, it's not completely impossible (considering the given explanation), but it might not be adequate. Just an opinion.

Invisible cars is NOT Fleming. A giant squid is and could be really cool if done by the best CGI company in the business.

I heard Bond and Jinx were going to face off against a killer whale or something in the earlier DAD drafts. I can't imagine a confrontation like that going over well with the general public.

[Harmsway]

At this pace, after his actions in Quantum of Solace, if he were to try to kill M (brainwashed yes, but still), he'd probably find himself kicked out of the Service, at the very least.

That is what nearly happened to Bond in both YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN novels. M was ready to kick him out and the Service's doctor talked M out of doing it and sending Bond on a simple mission. In the case of TMWTGG, M sends Bond out to kill Scaramanga. If he succeeds, Bond can be reinstated as a Double O. If he fails, no problem, Bond was heading to the gallows anyway.

It did happen in YOLT and TMWTGG, but it was hardly believable there, either. It'll be far less believable in this young Bond of Craig's, who's just about got on decent terms with M. Just because Fleming did it doesn't make it a smart move.

And frankly, I've never particularly liked what Fleming did with TMWTGG. YOLT was the perfect ending for Fleming's Bond.

Dr. Shatterhand - I agree with most of your points, although fun as it would be to watch Bond against a giant squid and for all its Flemingness, at the moment, I have a hard time picturing Craig's Bond fighting one.

It's like DAD's invisible car, it's not completely impossible (considering the given explanation), but it might not be adequate. Just an opinion.

Invisible cars is NOT Fleming. A giant squid is and could be really cool if done by the best CGI company in the business.

Again, just because Fleming did it doesn't mean it should be done. I don't think a giant squid fits with Craig's Bond at all, at least not as he's been presented in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Heck, I have a hard time seeing that sequence coming off no matter what Bond we're talking about.

[[dark]]

Dark Horizons has a slightly extended version of this conversation, in which the Gardner books are addressed...

Question: What about the Gardner books?

Craig: I've never read them. I would bet any money that someone sort of optioned them and that they're tied up in something else. It's a very closed box.

[Bradley De La Cloche]

As cool as it may sound, I don't think this is the right time to show Bond grappling (and killing) a giant squid. Just imagine all the PETA protests!

[Quantumofsolace007]

Interesting. Well I'm hoping they move foward with 007. we'll see what happens we'll get a better idea with where they are going based on whose writing the script in january.

[Eurospy]

Matt_13 - A killer bleepin' whale?! Are you serious? Didn't hear that rumour before, quite interesting. But a killer whale?!

Harmsway - I completely agree with you. Let us all keep in mind that as cinematic as any book might be (Bond or otherwise), not all ideas are fit for a screen adaptation.

[dark] - Considering that Craig could be right, does this mean that someone else might hold the rights to "Gardner's Bond"? Or could MGM/Eon have acquired the rights to keep them off the market, a usual Hollywood tactic?

[stamper]

It's obvious all the Gardner books are property of EON since at least AVTAK. Most of the films since then borrows from them, as reported on this site in an excellent feature.
It's fair to say by now, the producers just view them as second rate material to draw some ideas from. None of those will ever be adapted in a movie FRWL or DR No style.

All I can say is, by dropping out from adapting all the Fleming originals again one by one and in order, ala Bourne scripts (ie just take what you want from them and change the rest while keeping the title), they have failed to reboot the series for the next 40 years.

QOS should have been Live and Let Die, and so on. It would have by now gotten past the 800 millions dollars box office. People want the real thing, not coke zero.

Using the QOS title says it all. It's back to Brosnan era (thought not of Brosnan fault, his dream was doing CR).

[Quantumofsolace007]

It's obvious all the Gardner books are property of EON since at least AVTAK. Most of the films since then borrows from them, as reported on this site in an excellent feature.
It's fair to say by now, the producers just view them as second rate material to draw some ideas from. None of those will ever be adapted in a movie FRWL or DR No style.

All I can say is, by dropping out from adapting all the Fleming originals again one by one and in order, ala Bourne scripts (ie just take what you want from them and change the rest while keeping the title), they have failed to reboot the series for the next 40 years.

QOS should have been Live and Let Die, and so on. It would have by now gotten past the 800 millions dollars box office. People want the real thing, not coke zero.

Using the QOS title says it all. It's back to Brosnan era (thought not of Brosnan fault, his dream was doing CR).

first no Remakes are a bad idea for Bond or For anyone else and if bond 22 was live and let die it doesn't matter how unlike the novel the first one was yourt going to alienate people and your gonna screw up. People are already crying over the Nightmare on Elm Street Remake turning the bond franchise into the same thing nearly all horror franchises have beceome (retreading old ground but with more gore and sex and les plot) is not smart.


if you want to readapt novel like how Die antoher day was readaption of moonraker sure fine. Different title different chracters but the plot of the novel is intacts (and in there somewhere burried under bad puns and halleberry) if you wanna do that with DAF becoming A whisper of hate i'm fine with that but staight up remakes no thanks

[DaveBond21]

(Yes, I bumbed QOS to #2, and CR is now #3)

You did what to it? Fnarr.

Excuse me, "bumPed"

Did you ask whom its Daddy was?

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Bond 23 come out end of 2010. I'm getting a sense that there's some momentum here. It seems like Craig is primed and ready for his next 007 outing! Let's hope the planned January meeting with the writers bears some fruit...

I agree we'll know for sure soon enough. I'm hoping for a 2010 release myself.

Me too. But everything said by Michael G Wilson so far has hinted at a 2011 release.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Me too. But everything said by Michael G Wilson so far has hinted at a 2011 release.

honestly i think Michael G Wilson is on the fence do i do the safe November 2010 route or do i try for a may-july realse for bond 23.


And if he asked me i'd say play it safe with bond 23 but maybe do bond 24 september 2012 or August like late summer.

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 14 December 2008 - 07:25 PM.

[Willowhugger]

There's a rather huge Fleming bit of material left actually, it's called You Only Live Twice.

You see, there's this big castle that this BAD man lives in. This bad man with his crazy wife-bodyguard have done something unpleasant to James Bond but the place is surrounded by Snakes and Poisonous plants. James Bond is hired by a friendly agency to go kill this man, who he doesn't know is actually the man who wronged him. James Bond goes in, does so, and nearly dies in the process. Along the way, he falls in love with a local girl and has a kid with her that he doesn't know about.

Replace Blofeld with Mister White.

[Emma]

“I think that Quantum of Solace is as good a movie as Casino Royale,” Craig continued. “I think that the difference is that last time people were surprised by the fact that they enjoyed it. The fact is that we get reviews in newspapers that we’d never had reviews in before. Certainly with the Internet we get seven and a half million reviews, which are all worth looking at, obviously.”

Daniel, please wipe your mouth. 's dribbling from it.

[Doctor Shatterhand]

It's obvious all the Gardner books are property of EON since at least AVTAK. Most of the films since then borrows from them, as reported on this site in an excellent feature.
It's fair to say by now, the producers just view them as second rate material to draw some ideas from. None of those will ever be adapted in a movie FRWL or DR No style.

All I can say is, by dropping out from adapting all the Fleming originals again one by one and in order, ala Bourne scripts (ie just take what you want from them and change the rest while keeping the title), they have failed to reboot the series for the next 40 years.

QOS should have been Live and Let Die, and so on. It would have by now gotten past the 800 millions dollars box office. People want the real thing, not coke zero.

Using the QOS title says it all. It's back to Brosnan era (thought not of Brosnan fault, his dream was doing CR).

Your comments about the Gardner books being owned by EON is not accurate. I personally interviewed Mr. Gardner many years ago and asked him about his relationship with Cubby and why his books will never be made into cinema:

This is a portion of the interview which can be found at my website:

Dr. Shatterhand: There was a story floating around the Internet years ago which said you and Cubby Broccoli did not get along and that Cubby refused to film your books. Is there any truth to this?

John Gardner: Rubbish. I got on very well with Cubby and we spoke whenever I was in LA. However, as soon as Glidrose announced that they were going to employ someone new to write continuation novels he announced that he would never make a movie from any of them. Indeed why should he? He owned the character rights and didn't need to pay for any books. He could get people within his organisation to write stuff for him at no extra charge.

Dr. Shatterhand: Is it a coincidence that your novel ROLE OF HONOUR has a scene where Bond battles Tahani onboard an airship and in that same year (1985) Eon Productions filmed A VIEW TO A KILL, which also has a final battle scene onboard an airship?

John Gardner: I presume it is a coincidence.


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Also, to say that the producers should have started with LALD in the order of the books is silly in my opinion. There is plenty of Fleming elements they can borrow from other novels and stories and still keep the film fresh. QOS is a brilliant film and one of the best in over 40 years.

Again, just because Fleming did it doesn't mean it should be done. I don't think a giant squid fits with Craig's Bond at all, at least not as he's been presented in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Heck, I have a hard time seeing that sequence coming off no matter what Bond we're talking about.

Funny, people were saying the same about the torture scene in CR for over 40 years.

I can see them filming this so called Dr. No obstacle course, that ends in a cave where Bond is trapped with this dangerous creature. If done right, the scene could be fantastic and not ridiculous like the para-sailing scene from DAD.

[Quantumofsolace007]

A few points


1. The Gardner and Benson Novels could be done at somepoint and honeastly they will be done maybe not until bond 30 and another "reinvetnion" but i thikn it's matter of when not if.

2. Emma please don't be so rude.

3. As for the giant squid i'm going to say it if it's done extremly well as sort of man versus monster it might work well and be apart of an idea seeing floating around of adding Horror and Thriller elements to 007 and do this utlizing the Garden of Death and the incredibly creepy Dr Shatterhand.

However i do forsee some backlash for it but we'll see.